The Romance Thread IV: The Debate Continues

Originally Posted by gliderpilotgirl

Really? I will confess my views on Zelda x Link were pretty much set by it: I had suspected from the game, and the manga just expanded it hugely. In it, when Link stopped himself from going furthur ( and making it worse ), he knelt, put his hand to his heart and swore the line in my sig. Being a comic book nerd, I've read plenty of good comics, but I instantly burst into tears at that point.
Another interesting thing that the manga does ( and not the game ) is flat out torpedo the Malon x Link thing. Malon decides maybe Link is her Prince ( Knight from the game ) only to have him call out Zelda's name a second later and destroy that illusion.
M: "What's your relationship with her?"
L: "Huh?" *fighting off hordes of Gerudos
M:" You don't even need to tell me. I saw the look in your eyes. Ahh..what a short love Malon's was."

Again, I've seen/heard of the best of men ( and some real leaders ) who are putty in their wives' hands. But another point to prove he's not completely spineless: In MM, it seems clear to me that Link was hurting Zelda when he left her, and he knew it. But he still went and didn't crumble in the face of her sadness. I definately think he was affected by it though: Tatl had to smack him on the head to get him to pay attention to his impending doom. ( and break him out his memories )

But since child Link is still a prepubescent, he seems to be more of this happy go lucky cherub like character who would not be clouded with any romantic emotion to stop him from doing what he was going to do, and in MM it was to find a cherished friend. Sure Zelda seemed very saddened that he was leaving but I think it was more that he happened to be this little kid about to embark on a dangerous journey so naturally she was saddened if not worried. But Link just seemed in his innocent fun loving self "I know your sad Zelda, but I want to go on an adventure right now because I'm just this adorable fun loving little kid with too much pent up energy to stick around with you all the time and boring old Hyrule"

Now if this was adult Link, who by now should be physically attracted to women, mainly Zelda to be easily swayed by her implied physical beauty. Therefore if the MM cutscene were Link and Zelda as adults, I'm sure Link would get the hint that she does not want him to leave and comply to her whim without question.

Oh yea know were getting somewhere in our discussions Ganon that was a awesome explanation loved it want to see more of things like that here. That's why I left the topic.

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

But since child Link is still a prepubescent, he seems to be more of this happy go lucky cherub like character who would not be clouded with any romantic emotion to stop him from doing what he was going to do, and in MM it was to find a cherished friend. Sure Zelda seemed very saddened that he was leaving but I think it was more that he happened to be this little kid about to embark on a dangerous journey so naturally she was saddened if not worried. But Link just seemed in his innocent fun loving self "I know your sad Zelda, but I want to go on an adventure right now because I'm just this adorable fun loving little kid with too much pent up energy to stick around with you all the time and boring old Hyrule"

I disagree: I don't remotely think Link was happy-go-lucky in MM. ( especially not the beginning ) He had just come off a huge adventure and seen much blood and death...and his partner throughout it all just up and left. If anything, I think he was feeling depressed. If he seemed less than empathetic towards Zelda, I think that may have been the cause. Not a lack of love or importance of her on his part. ( Okay, so maybe this wasn't a good example of him showing spine as he was out of character ) When she was his memory in the face of his impending death, that spoke more to me about regret and his thoughts than anything else did.

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

Now if this was adult Link, who by now should be physically attracted to women, mainly Zelda to be easily swayed by her implied physical beauty. Therefore if the MM cutscene were Link and Zelda as adults, I'm sure Link would get the hint that she does not want him to leave and comply to her whim without question.

I have no doubt that kid Link was capable of being attracted to pretty ladies ( Cremia, obviously ) just I don't think he was himself when he left Hyrule. If it had been Adult Link, I don't think the scene would have been any different: he still would have been effectively out of character. The other "parting" from the ending of OoT had Adult Link likewise leave Adult Zelda, and the mood was very sad: but he was in his right mind in the end. He submitted to her wishes and went back but only to go straight back to her when he could.

Originally Posted by UnderworldKing

Oh yea know were getting somewhere in our discussions Ganon that was a awesome explanation loved it want to see more of things like that here. That's why I left the topic.

Yeah, I'm aware that this debate can get really lame at times as I would rather debate my regular sports, music, politics, religion, philosophy ect ect which I normally do on other threads on other websites, but since Gilderpilot wants to continue this I'm only happy to oblige. If you want we can start debating on who will win the NBA championship on MySpace or ESPN.com I guess, but since I don't take myself too seriously, Links imaginary love life is just wacky enough to prove to myself that I can debate on any subject regardless of how cheesy it really is.

Originally Posted by gliderpilotgirl

I disagree: I don't remotely think Link was happy-go-lucky in MM. ( especially not the beginning ) He had just come off a huge adventure and seen much blood and death...and his partner throughout it all just up and left. If anything, I think he was feeling depressed. If he seemed less than empathetic towards Zelda, I think that may have been the cause. Not a lack of love or importance of her on his part. ( Okay, so maybe this wasn't a good example of him showing spine as he was out of character ) When she was his memory in the face of his impending death, that spoke more to me about regret and his thoughts than anything else did.



I have no doubt that kid Link was capable of being attracted to pretty ladies ( Cremia, obviously ) just I don't think he was himself when he left Hyrule. If it had been Adult Link, I don't think the scene would have been any different: he still would have been effectively out of character. The other "parting" from the ending of OoT had Adult Link likewise leave Adult Zelda, and the mood was very sad: but he was in his right mind in the end. He submitted to her wishes and went back but only to go straight back to her when he could.

I just saw that memory as regret in the sense that little Link was like "Rats..I should have listened to Zelda and stayed in Hyrule instead of using this whole I have to find that stupid Navi who just says HEY and LISTEN over and over again." To me it was as if this was a lame excuse to get away from the boredom of Hyrule and Zelda keeping Link around as an adorable little pet of some sort.

I saw the Cremia scene as just mild sexual humor put in by the programmers on purpose for a MalonxLink reference. As for the OOT ending, Link looked rather upset when he returned to the Temple of Time and realized that he was no longer big anymore. Then he turned around with that pissed off look on his face to maybe go confront Zelda to reverse the process.

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

I just saw that memory as regret in the sense that little Link was like "Rats..I should have listened to Zelda and stayed in Hyrule instead of using this whole I have to find that stupid Navi who just says HEY and LISTEN over and over again." To me it was as if this was a lame excuse to get away from the boredom of Hyrule and Zelda keeping Link around as an adorable little pet of some sort.

I agree, I just wouldn't put it that way. When Link came to after remembering leaving Zelda, suddenly he's not Link, but this silly little Deku Scrub who got his Ocarina and horse stolen and is going to die in this forsaken place far from home. If anything would shake him out of his funk...I think this realization may.

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

I saw the Cremia scene as just mild sexual humor put in by the programmers on purpose for a MalonxLink reference. As for the OOT ending, Link looked rather upset when he returned to the Temple of Time and realized that he was no longer big anymore. Then he turned around with that pissed off look on his face to maybe go confront Zelda to reverse the process.

And as a Zelda X Link debater, it's the one scene that I can't discount easily and therefore dislike. I would bet at the time the dev's likely knew how popular Malon was, and purposely put that in there for the Malon x Link fans in the interest of the satisfying everyone. ( like Link and Zelda holding hands in TP ) But I don't for a moment think Link seriously loved Malon.

I think in the end of OoT he was dealing with physical realization that "it's over" by seeing himself small again. Then Navi leaves, the bells toll and it's "the End". But he still has a second chance with Zelda, so off he goes. ( I thought that look meant determination vs anger )

Yeah I would definitely say determination as if maybe he had something he needed to say to Zelda so off he went. I noticed Link didn't seem to broken up over Navi leaving did you?? Then we have the ever beloved final scene where Zelda is trying to hold back her laughter as this adorable little kid with that ever frozen look of determination walks in out of nowhere, and she probably wanted to say "awww, cute little boys like you shouldn't be carrying around swords and shields" But as for Malon I agree with you 100% on that last post. Believe it or not I like the LinkxZelda pairing as well, because the LinkxMalon pairing I would imagine would be more like Link sheepishly blushing everytime Malon flirts with him and then thinks about Zelda at what she would do to him if she walked into Lon Lon ranch at that very moment and catch him red handed blushing at malon's typical flirting advances and would then became terrorfied if such a thing happened

Predictably, he would probably push Malon away from him and then get on Epona and ride away from your favorite red head temptress and go pick some flowers for Zelda because he feels guilty like the wuss he is that he sometimes lets Malon flirt with him once in awhile. So yes I still think Link is a spineless dweeb when it comes to his true feelings for Zelda, but I'm with you that they would eventually get married once Zelda gets that whip cracking, therefore Malon, Illia, even my beloved Ashei will have no chance at the hero's pure loving heart anymore. But thank goodness Saria would be eliminated as well.

If you cant picture Link setteling down with Malon on a ranch, then let me ask you this, can you picture Link as a King? I dont realy see link sitting on a thrown all day, seriously, what leader would Link be, would he rule his countrie from behind a desk or would he just laze about in comfort while zelda and/nobels do all the work.

Besides, Zelda might have an older brother (or sister for that matter) Link might not become king because of that.

Originally Posted by James the red

If you cant picture Link setteling down with Malon on a ranch, then let me ask you this, can you picture Link as a King? I dont realy see link sitting on a thrown all day, seriously, what leader would Link be, would he rule his countrie from behind a desk or would he just laze about in comfort while zelda and/nobels do all the work.

Besides, Zelda might have an older brother (or sister for that matter) Link might not become king because of that.

Yes, yes, I can. For one simple fact...a medieval King was often different then what we have today. Today it seems they have little power, and where they do it's most bureaucracy. But back then...a King was a military leader in many cases. Think King Arthur, Genghis Khan, etc....when I think of an ancient King, I think of a great warrior. The ultimate challenge for someone to face in battle as the true leader of his forces. Link most certainly fits this.

In LoZ itself, we haven't seen this much. Mostly because where we have a king, they are relegated to elderly and useless: this serves the plot device of letting Zelda and Link take centre stage. I should note that MC says that King Daltus was quite the swordsman when he was young however. I like to consider the option that the Hero's Spirit may have been a king as well: he speaks of Hyrule as a whole, with more authority than I'd expect from a simple servant soldier.

I find it more unlikely that one simple pretty face would be enough to cause Link to simply abandon his duty in favour of easy living: a home, kids, etc. He was meant for more.

Originally Posted by gliderpilotgirl

Yes, yes, I can. For one simple fact...a medieval King was often different then what we have today. Today it seems they have little power, and where they do it's most bureaucracy. But back then...a King was a military leader in many cases. Think King Arthur, Genghis Khan, etc....when I think of an ancient King, I think of a great warrior. The ultimate challenge for someone to face in battle as the true leader of his forces. Link most certainly fits this.

In LoZ itself, we haven't seen this much. Mostly because where we have a king, they are relegated to elderly and useless: this serves the plot device of letting Zelda and Link take centre stage. I should note that MC says that King Daltus was quite the swordsman when he was young however. I like to consider the option that the Hero's Spirit may have been a king as well: he speaks of Hyrule as a whole, with more authority than I'd expect from a simple servant soldier.

I find it more unlikely that one simple pretty face would be enough to cause Link to simply abandon his duty in favour of easy living: a home, kids, etc. He was meant for more.

I think you make some good points but IMO Link would have to be a mature mid 20's type a guy for him to become King. I know I habitually identify OOT/TP/SC Link as ADULT Link, but I have to remember that adult Link is only 16 years old and I think he would be completely overwhelmed by all the responsibility. And so he will then retreat to the simple life of farm living and happily stay with Malon in OOT and would be probably forced to marry Illia in TP.

Ok....never mind the last sentence but I like the idea that a more older and mature Link could be like a Alexander the Great/Charlemagne/William the Conqueror/Richard the Lionhearted/Sancho the Great type of warrior king. But I think Link being King would only happen if Zelda died, because I don't believe she would relinquish that power to Link in the first place. At best she would just permit Link to go in to Hyrule soldier basic training and since the entire Hyrule military is a worthless joke, Link should then quickly move up in rank to be the main general in less than a week. Then he can maybe win Zeldas respect to take him seriously for once and maybe he can convince her that her wedding gift to him should be to make him King and her Queen, therefore making Zelda subordinate to him. I'm sorry but i don't see that ever happening even if Link were a grizzled 70 year old. So even if Zelda and Link did get married it would be Zelda as absolute Queen and Link as Prince/Head of Defense and War at the very best.

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

I think you make some good points but IMO Link would have to be a mature mid 20's type a guy for him to become King. I know I habitually identify OOT/TP/SC Link as ADULT Link, but I have to remember that adult Link is only 16 years old and I think he would be completely overwhelmed by all the responsibility. And so he will then retreat to the simple life of farm living and happily stay with Malon in OOT and would be probably forced to marry Illia in TP.

So he would run away to the farm? Link's not a coward by any stretch of the imagination and that seems cowardly to me. His age has never stopped him from being a Hero, why not a ruler?

How is Link really any different from Zelda in essence? She's already saddled with Hyrule as Princess/Queen and she's the same age! If she ran away because it was too much responsibility I'm sure most of us would have a problem with it. To me, Link bears the same load as her and he's equally responsible for Hyrule's future. With them together, they make an unstoppable team. He provides the might, she the wisdom.

Something to else to put forward: ever notice that the place where Link has been, or his possible future roles are filled in end? Colin steps up to be the protector in training for Ordon in TP. The men of the village offer to take his ranching duties as well.
In OoT, Talon turns over a new leaf and Ingo is reconciled.
In MM, Romani is shown confidently holding her bow after shooting three balloons in a row.

My point is that he is no longer needed in these small roles...he's grown out of them. The only place he seems to fit is at Zelda's side.

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

Ok....never mind the last sentence but I like the idea that a more older and mature Link could be like a Alexander the Great/Charlemagne/William the Conqueror/Richard the Lionhearted/Sancho the Great type of warrior king. But I think Link being King would only happen if Zelda died, because I don't believe she would relinquish that power to Link in the first place. At best she would just permit Link to go in to Hyrule soldier basic training and since the entire Hyrule military is a worthless joke, Link should then quickly move up in rank to be the main general in less than a week. Then he can maybe win Zeldas respect to take him seriously for once and maybe he can convince her that her wedding gift to him should be to make him King and her Queen, therefore making Zelda subordinate to him. I'm sorry but i don't see that ever happening even if Link were a grizzled 70 year old. So even if Zelda and Link did get married it would be Zelda as absolute Queen and Link as Prince/Head of Defense and War at the very best.

She wouldn't have to relinquish it...merely share. Besides, they would both have different roles respectively...Link could handle the might, and she could handle the diplomacy. It seems to me you are implying that Zelda looks down upon Link. She doesn't take him seriously? The games would disagree with you I think. She's quick to place the future and welfare of Hyrule in his hands...something we know she holds dear.

Speaking of Zelda sharing power, I am well aware of real world instances where this situation has come into play ( Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth I off hand ) but this is still fantasy. We can dream!

If you think that being king would be a "desk job" for Link...read the Saga of Olaf Tryggvason or The Saga of King Hrolf Kraki, sagas of Norwegian and Danish kings respectively, who fought alongside their men in epic battles. Then there's Beowulf, who heroically defeats Grendel and then becomes king of the Geats, ruling for 50 years, and even when he's around 70 years old he's still badass enough to fight a dragon.

I believe there would be plenty of glory in being king, and even if Link doesn't "know" the intricacies of kingship there's no reason to believe he can't learn, and the games have shown him to be a very fast learner.

Originally Posted by Sirius B

If you think that being king would be a "desk job" for Link...read the Saga of Olaf Tryggvason or The Saga of King Hrolf Kraki, sagas of Norwegian and Danish kings respectively, who fought alongside their men in epic battles. Then there's Beowulf, who heroically defeats Grendel and then becomes king of the Geats, ruling for 50 years, and even when he's around 70 years old he's still badass enough to fight a dragon.

I believe there would be plenty of glory in being king, and even if Link doesn't "know" the intricacies of kingship there's no reason to believe he can't learn, and the games have shown him to be a very fast learner.

As a matter of fact I see a lot of Beowulf like potential in Link, but until he takes the title of head of state by force from Zelda its not happening I'm afraid. I'm not saying he should just be a brute barbarian and hack her to pieces with blood and guts all over the throne to assume his kingship, but rather maybe he can grow to be more of a super macho/lover manly man to make Zelda blush instead of him and she will just practically give him the kingship. Right Gilderpilot

Off topic: Kudos on the Beowulf reference I remember Gilderpilot mentioned King Arthur and I wanted to mention him but totally forgot. Like Arthur, I know Beowulf is more of a legend, but I'm sure sometime in the Dark Ages 500-600 A.D. the Danish people were showing the English and the entire world for that matter that they too had fierce fighters and strong warrior kings. The Danish/Swedish people to me at that time were kind of like the Romans/Byzantines with some of their warrior emperors but maybe a little more brutal than the Romans/Byzantines by the time of Beowulf.

Anyway..back on topic, I can see Link maturing to be a Beowulf type to maybe eventually become king of Hyrule.

Originally Posted by gliderpilotgirl

So he would run away to the farm? Link's not a coward by any stretch of the imagination and that seems cowardly to me. His age has never stopped him from being a Hero, why not a ruler?

How is Link really any different from Zelda in essence? She's already saddled with Hyrule as Princess/Queen and she's the same age! If she ran away because it was too much responsibility I'm sure most of us would have a problem with it. To me, Link bears the same load as her and he's equally responsible for Hyrule's future. With them together, they make an unstoppable team. He provides the might, she the wisdom.

Something to else to put forward: ever notice that the place where Link has been, or his possible future roles are filled in end? Colin steps up to be the protector in training for Ordon in TP. The men of the village offer to take his ranching duties as well.
In OoT, Talon turns over a new leaf and Ingo is reconciled.
In MM, Romani is shown confidently holding her bow after shooting three balloons in a row.

My point is that he is no longer needed in these small roles...he's grown out of them. The only place he seems to fit is at Zelda's side.



She wouldn't have to relinquish it...merely share. Besides, they would both have different roles respectively...Link could handle the might, and she could handle the diplomacy. It seems to me you are implying that Zelda looks down upon Link. She doesn't take him seriously? The games would disagree with you I think. She's quick to place the future and welfare of Hyrule in his hands...something we know she holds dear.

Speaking of Zelda sharing power, I am well aware of real world instances where this situation has come into play ( Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth I off hand ) but this is still fantasy. We can dream!

Technically Zelda is two years older than Link. So they are not the same age as you mentioned. Its almost like your saying sophmores are superior to seniors in high school. On top of that she posseses the triforce of wisdom. Therefore she is by default on that alone that she does not need Link telling her what to do in matters of head of state. Even you said Link should be in charge of MIGHT. To me that is the equivilant as head Hyrule general in charge in defending the kingdom.

I only meant Link in running away in a comical sense like a high school kid taking over as principal and it may not be as easy as it seems or something like that. Zelda looking down upon Link is too strong a word even for me but I think they can both come to a compromise eventually where they co rule like Ferdinand and Isabella of Spain did during the Christopher Columbus days.

So link will get involved in military disputes between countries, I think he set out to defeat evil, not annexing Ordon or something like that.

I have no evidence of Link being a great general, since he has no training on commanding troops.

Loosing link in battle because he was ambushed or was in a stupid head-on charg at the enemy, what a crappy way to lose a hero.

Originally Posted by James the red

So link will get involved in military disputes between countries, I think he set out to defeat evil, not annexing Ordon or something like that.

I have no evidence of Link being a great general, since he has no training on commanding troops.

Loosing link in battle because he was ambushed or was in a stupid head-on charg at the enemy, what a crappy way to lose a hero.

I'm not sure if Link is the type to be an unnecessary aggressor. I don't see him leading forces in pillaging and conquering territories not Hyrule's own, rather I see him defending the existing borders.

I'm of the opinion that to be a great leader, you don't necessarily need training. It certainly helps, but some people are naturals, and I think Link would be one. I think it would be something that would grow over time, ( I imagine the young Link of MM learning at Zelda's side as they grew up together ) but he's got the beginnings. He seems to attract the admiration and respect of anyone he encounters: they naturally want to follow him. As evidence, look at the Group in the end of TP, and the children of Ordon.

Link also has an excellent grasp of fighting strategy, any of his battles with huge monsters testify to this. In terms of leading a group of people, it's something I see him growing into. He's already earned the respect of his people being a great warrior himself, he could likely put their loyalty and his experience to great effect.

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer

Technically Zelda is two years older than Link. So they are not the same age as you mentioned. Its almost like your saying sophmores are superior to seniors in high school. On top of that she posseses the triforce of wisdom. Therefore she is by default on that alone that she does not need Link telling her what to do in matters of head of state. Even you said Link should be in charge of MIGHT. To me that is the equivilant as head Hyrule general in charge in defending the kingdom.

I only meant Link in running away in a comical sense like a high school kid taking over as principal and it may not be as easy as it seems or something like that. Zelda looking down upon Link is too strong a word even for me but I think they can both come to a compromise eventually where they co rule like Ferdinand and Isabella of Spain did during the Christopher Columbus days.

Which incarnation? You are going to need to prove that to me.

Yes, but as a general Link would still be subservient. The very smart Zelda would be best putting him beside her on the throne: it would be a good move politically and practically. The people adore him and he's very knowledgeable in military matters, an area where I can see her having a lack of experience.
If Zelda didn't marry Link, I imagine her eventual husband being something along his lines, a courageous man with military know-how. But Link has the benefit of truly knowing her people...he's a commoner, coming from nowhere. He'd be massively popular.

I'm agreed with you in co-rulers...I was never arguing to have Link be above Zelda: merely her equal.

Originally Posted by gliderpilotgirl

Which incarnation? You are going to need to prove that to me.

Yes, but as a general Link would still be subservient. The very smart Zelda would be best putting him beside her on the throne: it would be a good move politically and practically. The people adore him and he's very knowledgeable in military matters, an area where I can see her having a lack of experience.
If Zelda didn't marry Link, I imagine her eventual husband being something along his lines, a courageous man with military know-how. But Link has the benefit of truly knowing her people...he's a commoner, coming from nowhere. He'd be massively popular.

I'm agreed with you in co-rulers...I was never arguing to have Link be above Zelda: merely her equal.

I figured the age difference was common knowledge. Anyway my view is Zelda DOES NOT see Link as her intelligent and mature equal enough to co-rule with Link 50/50. Mainly because she is an 18 year old YOUNG WOMAN with the triforce of Wisdom and Link is a younger 16 year old TEENAGE BOY with the triforce of Courage but still a boy. I can only see them ruling 50/50 when Link is in his 20's at least.

Originally Posted by James the red

So link will get involved in military disputes between countries, I think he set out to defeat evil, not annexing Ordon or something like that.

I have no evidence of Link being a great general, since he has no training on commanding troops.

Loosing link in battle because he was ambushed or was in a stupid head-on charg at the enemy, what a crappy way to lose a hero.

LOL!! Yeah that would be a crappy way to lose a hero but I assume Link has the wits to keep around a blue or red potion to get himself out of the ambush. And since most enemies are easy for him to beat anyway I doubt an ambush from random boar riders or boboklins will do him in. Besides how hard could it be for Link to become generalisimo of the pathetic Hyrule army?? So are you suggesting that Zelda just keeps Link around as a mere useless pet?? Maybe when he is child Link, but I like to think that Zelda would use her wisdom to advise teen Link to use his talents to take over the hapless Hyrule army of dummies and maybe train them to be better fighters.

Just because Link is an excellent individual fighter, it doesnt mean he will be good at leading an army, especily if Link is himself fighting, because having the main leader of an army down in the fighting ranks is a bad strategy.

Plus, would Link want to get tangled in the petty disputes between kingdoms, it kinda erodes his "hero against evil" status.



And Ganonslayer2000, who said anything about random boar riders and bobokins, when Link is the head of state, he might have to fight armies of Humans.

Originally Posted by James the red

Just because Link is an excellent individual fighter, it doesnt mean he will be good at leading an army, especily if Link is himself fighting, because having the main leader of an army down in the fighting ranks is a bad strategy.

All I am saying is he has the characteristics to become a great leader. I can list more: he brings unity, he's selfless, works tirelessly towards his objective, sees the big picture, cares deeply about Hyrule and it's people...

Who says that Link is always going to be in the thick of things? It's part of seeing the big picture: if he knew he was needed in a leadership role, he wouldn't waste his life like cannon-fodder.

All in all, I see the jump to a military leadership role as a far more likely direction than him retiring to shovel manure. This is Link... I don't think he could stop making a difference without ceasing to be himself. If he wasn't meant for more, than what was the point of the quest?

Originally Posted by James the red

And Ganonslayer2000, who said anything about random boar riders and bobokins, when Link is the head of state, he might have to fight armies of Humans.

He's done it before. The Gerudos in OoT, Pirates in MM...shedding humanoid blood has never stood between him and his objective. If it was peace for Hyrule and a human army stood in the way, he'd likely fight them too.

"Who says that Link is always going to be in the thick of things? It's part of seeing the big picture: if he knew he was needed in a leadership role, he wouldn't waste his life like cannon-fodder."

Well, he does have the triforce of courage, and it is kinda Links style to Rush into things, but I guess I agree.

"All in all, I see the jump to a military leadership role as a far more likely direction than him retiring to shovel manure."

I dont know what Link wants, however I am sure I dissasgree with you with one thing you just said.

I wouldnt want to see Link jump into a military leadership role, he should start small, like a captain, not full fledged general on the first day.

Because there are probobly Generals out there much more talented than Link can ever be and that is all it takes on a battlefield that has more than the 5 or so enemies Link is used to facing at one time.

"He's done it before. The Gerudos in OoT, Pirates in MM...shedding humanoid blood has never stood between him and his objective. If it was peace for Hyrule and a human army stood in the way, he'd likely fight them too."

I guess your right, but did the gerudos even die? In MM they just stood back up later after you got them.

Originally Posted by James the red

Well, he does have the triforce of courage, and it is kinda Links style to Rush into things, but I guess I agree.

I totally agree it's his style...and it's all we've seen. But he's also about growth...he's going to grow up, change and progress. Into what? Well, I like the prophecy in AoL's backstory ( that pertained to Link )
"For generations, my family has been handed down these things which have been set aside for a time when a great king will come" ( emphasis mine )
This is one of the only times we've seen Link's possible future nailed down...and it seems obvious to me what it is.

Originally Posted by James the red

I dont know what Link wants, however I am sure I dissasgree with you with one thing you just said.

I wouldnt want to see Link jump into a military leadership role, he should start small, like a captain, not full fledged general on the first day.

Because there are probobly Generals out there much more talented than Link can ever be and that is all it takes on a battlefield that has more than the 5 or so enemies Link is used to facing at one time.

Hmm...and this strikes me as a tricky situation. While I believe Link is natural in the military aspect, you are right in that a military has a hierarchy. But Link is very unconventional...and too famous and important to really fit in "the system". He's the kingdom's great hero...not a grunt following orders through a chain of command. He doesn't really fit anywhere. That's why I like to think of him assuming the throne next to Zelda: he'd by be default be the leader. He's already served in effect as her partner...planning, plotting, and fighting beside her. He doesn't really fit anywhere else, IMO.

Originally Posted by James the red

I guess your right, but did the gerudos even die? In MM they just stood back up later after you got them.

I don't think so, but he still fought them. They likely lived in the end because Link killing things in blood and gore is not the game's style. Even monsters explode in smoke rather than anything else. ( And I'm glad )

Originally Posted by gliderpilotgirl

I don't think so, but he still fought them. They likely lived in the end because Link killing things in blood and gore is not the game's style. Even monsters explode in smoke rather than anything else. ( And I'm glad )

But what about Ganon in OoT if you played the game or Master Quest on Gamecube you got to see green blood but if you got the N64 version the proper one I think just in OoT respect has red blood. It was changed to green due to complaints believe it was parents (annoying parents first they complain about Naruto's content is too gory and now LoZ why can't they learn to just not let their children see these things if they don't like them) but that is beside the point. As for the rank thing in a army. Aren't there good examples where there is a Hero in a army who does not take orders from the Leader in charge but heeded them and did them if he/she felt needed. They helped when needed and where there but could not overrule the Leader. Sometimes they may even have their own unit under there command.