The Romance Thread IV: The Debate Continues

If it never happens in the real world or documented history, then there is nothing for me to believe that it will happen to a fictional character like Link.

Fictional. Besides, Hyrule's kings are strange anyway. They're friends with commoners, they let their daughter hang out with commoners... It's not like kingship in Hyrule is the exact same way it is in the real world. And does it really matter why they do what Link wants, as long as they do it?

No because there is nothing for me to believe that Link is more qualified than a well spoken leader type or a royally educated nobleman. All I know is Link is a great Hero, but it doesn't make sense that someone like him with his non royal background or soft spoken & generally quiet personality can effectively rule as a King of anything or anyone.

So everyone without royal blood is automatically disqualified, even though the prince/Zelda's suitor might have all the royal education you want, but is a complete moron who's to stupid to knock a bucket of water over ?
And who knows if he isn't well spoken? We never hear him speak, true, but that's because of the avatar concept, not because he isn't able to. And I doubt that people would look up to (much less trust the way they trust Link) anybody who is completely lacking in that department. And it's not like you can't learn it or he can't get a bit of that royal education you want so much - without dying him down to much, since he doesn't have to be studying all day. And with Link, you can at least be sure that he only wants the best for everyone, not only for himself or a few chosen people.

So..I still don't think why that makes Link qualified to be a King. Until there is canonical evidence of Link being potrayed in a serious leadership role I'm not changing my mind on the issue. I think Link would make a decent royal advisor to Zelda but not a King with the power to overrule her. Zelda is wise and so more likely she would know Link's limitations and not force him to be a King. Plus its a proven fact that people with Link's quiet and gentle personality are more inclined to FOLLOW orders not give them. Sorry..but I'm not as eager to crown Link as a King the moment he steps out of the Kokiri Forest as you are.

Who saays I want him to be one as soon as he steps out of the Forest? I, too, think that Link does need some education before becoming anythimg kinglike... And I'm more for their powers being equal instead of him overruling Zelda anyway.

Its not a question of if it makes him qualified to be a King its if it doesn't.. In the CT he is loved by the Gorons and Zoras, and the Kokiri consider one of their own. Diplomaticly people would regard him as ''Hey thats the guy who saved our entire race, hes our brother, hey thats the guy who saved our princess, hey thats the guy i used to play kokiri football with''

He isn't necesserally shy, we just can't hear him talk, we do know he makes smartass remarks to Gerudo theifs and such though..

Plus Princesses can be the rulers in Ħyrule, he can be the royal Millitary guy. And assuming TP's ghost hero is that OoT Link, we know hes pretty authoritarian and grows up to be a badass knightly dude.

Yeah when it comes to diplomacy stuff Link would be great at that. But I don't think its required that he has to be a King to do that. IMO he could do this sort of thing in a LinkxMalon as a humble feudal knight type person in living among the common people/diverse races of Hyrule as well as he could as a theoretical royal advisor in a LinkxZelda. And please don't give me the weak and petty too much imaginary farmwork at the ranch theory. I will debate that lame nit picky character bashing theory all day.

It's not character bashing. Farmwork is time consuming, even if you're strong. And Link would want to spend time with his wife, after getting kids he'd have to take care of them, too... No matter who he marries, he'd always have far less time tan before - by choosing Zelda, however, the work he has to do and his duties as a hero are essentially the same, since he'd still be helping Hyrule, just not by slaying monsters and Gerudokings. And his relationships with the people of Hyrule would be convenient as Zelda's husband (whatever position he'd have then), since they'd be more likely to believe in and follow someone they know and are friends with than some random prince of another kingdom, for example. (Besides, it's not guaranteed that an educated noble would be really interested in the well-being of the common people.)

I still say Link as a humble feudal knight living within the countryside could still be enabled to help Zelda with overseeing the needs of the common people/diverse races of Hyrule. I have done farmwork myself and difficulty was based on how lazy and irresponsible I was to allow the work to build up. Provided that I did my farmwork responsibly, I still was able to work a full time job so if someone like me was able to do it then so can a physically strong hero like Link could do it for sure. If your implying that Link is lazy and irresponsible then you are character bashing Yayu.

To me the ranch is more of a lifestyle of leisure for Link and not a lifestyle of constant slavery. The ditzy/airhead fangirl logic based on character bashing is not worth my time to debate against. With that said I support LinkxMalon anyway, so in MY THEORY Link never becomes a silly looking King.

Meh, Link should stick with Epona. If Link had a romance then it would take away from his duties to Hyrule. He is forever destined to save Hyrule, not to be entwined in a romance with its citizens. You try saving the world when you just want to be with a girl. but on the other hand if he did have someone to love, it would give him a better and somewhat noble reason to risk life and limb to save the world and thus protect his love.

Exactly...thats why the LinkxMalon relationship makes more sense to me with Link sticking with Epona. Epona is more associated with Malon not Zelda.

ya and if Hyrule follows normal monarchy tradition, it would be forbidden for Link and Zelda to marry because Link is not of noble birth.

If they allow a commoner to run around in the castle and go to festivals with the princess, they're obviously not following normal monarchy tradition
Besides, Link is the hero who saved Hyrule, chose by the gods, the wielder of the Triforce of Courage. I doubt they'd want someone like that as their enemy just because he's not of noble blood (especially since he has the support of the people and upsetting the Gorons and Zoras isn't the wisest thing to do).
And what farmwork did you do, Ganonslayer? I suppose it also depends on what your job is. (What do they do with the horses, anyway?)
And Link could probablybe an advisor for Zelda when choosing Malon, but he'd have far less time then when he's staying single - ignoring all work he might have to do, no mattere who he chooses, hw would spend much time with his wife and - later on, with his kids.
Choosing Zelda would be far more convenient, since the work he'd do would be what he'd have to do anyway - apart from actually making the decisions instead of just advising - and he'd spent time with his wife while doing said work.
(And why would he look silly as a king? You and your fluffy robes. No one says he can't choose clothes that look actually good on him.)

I did feeding cows, chickens, horses, pigs, sheep. I have never done herding but I can ride a horse rather well. Nonetheless my workload was actually more than Link would have to do. All he has to worry about is cows, horses, and chickens.

Well IMO..whoever Link chooses, I imagine Hyrule would be in a state of peace anyway so Link could still adapt to either lifestyle to do hero duties on occasion when it becomes necessary. I just get really annoyed with the bubbly/bimbo Zelink fangirl logic that if Link chooses to be with Zelda he will be this perfect god-like Hero who can just leave the castle whenever he wants to and go riding around with Epona. But if Link chooses to be with Malon then he will be this irresponsible jerk who will always intentionally leave the ranch in a bind while Malon as the super bi**ch yells at him for forgetting to milk a stupid and meaningless cow.

Originally Posted by Yayu

He's just a (faceless) monster that ressembles Link's looks and mirrors his attacks in a vain attempt of defeating him and has no personality whatsoever. Besides that, Link has no problem in killing him.
Is that disproving enough?

Have you seen Link do a positive act against Dark Link yet? He's only tried slaying him.

I just get really annoyed with the bubbly/bimbo Zelink fangirl logic that if Link chooses to be with Zelda he will be this perfect god-like Hero who can just leave the castle whenever he wants to and go riding around with Epona.

I doubt that he could ride around whenever he wants to, since he'd still have duties he can't just ignore, but I don't think he wouldn't find the time occasionally.

But if Link chooses to be with Malon then he will be this irresponsible jerk who will always intentionally leave the ranch in a bind while Malon as the super bi**ch yells at him for forgetting to milk a stupid and meaningless cow.

That's stupid. And also not what I wanted to say, really - but I have to admit, I'm not good at wording stuff. I'd only see Malon get angry when he would be such an irresponsible jerk - which I seriously doubt will ever happen. My problem was always that you'd say running a whole ranch is practically nothing (I did feed horses before, so I know that at least that doesn't take up that much time - but then they'd still have to muck out the stables, comb the horses and eventually train them - and whatever you have to do with cows and chickens) while he couldn't do a step outside of the castle when choosing Zelda.

Have you seen Link do a positive act against Dark Link yet? He's only tried slaying him.

...Isn't that what I was saying? Or did I understand you wrong?

Originally Posted by Yayu

...Isn't that what I was saying? Or did I understand you wrong?

Link tries to kill Dark Link, Dark Link responds with force. What if Link acts nice against Dark Link?

Isn't it more the other way around? Dark Link tries to kill Link, Link defends himself and kills Dark Link?
But when Dark Link/Link would act nice instead of attacking... i'm not sure what Dark Link would do, since he's still a monster created to get rid of Link, but Link probably wouldn't attack until Dark Link decides to attack. He'd still be wary of him - he'd be stupid if he weren't - but I don't see him starting a fight if Dark Link doesn't give him a reason to.
In case this carrys on for an extended period of time, maybe they could become friends - but only if Dark Link doesn't show any signs of being eveil, which I doubt would be the case, considering what he is.

Oh yeah without a doubt responsibility at the ranch might be similar to responsibility at the castle in certain ways but they are still completely different.

IMO

RANCH: Easier to adapt to for Link because manual labor takes less brainpower and merely relies on physical strength. I have never heard anybody say Link is physically weak so this is an ideal lifestyle for him to adapt to without a doubt.

CASTLE: Harder lifestyle to adapt to and if he wants to be involved in things that involve his weaknesses in required leadership/social skills and knowlege of royal political and philisophical matters this is going to be the place he will be tied down to a majority of the time. But if Link truly loves Zelda all the obvious commoner/royal obstacles shouldn't be a problem right?

social skills and knowlege of royal political and philisophical matters

But he can still learn that stuff. (And why are social skills his weakness? He seems to get along with people just fine.)

But if Link truly loves Zelda all the obvious commoner/royal obstacles shouldn't be a problem right?

Finally something we agree on ^^