4th Goddess?

The two triangles were called the "Triforce of Power" and the "Triforce of Wisdom", indeed, but at that point the collective "Triforce" (the three triangles) hadn't been introduced.

EDIT: Naryu created the "law", or "science and magic". Given that her Oracle directs the Essences of Time, I'd say she qualifies as the Goddess of Time.

Originally Posted by SuperDecimal

Can you say "misinformation?"

There's nothing in Canon Zelda anywhere that explictly mentioned a Godess that refused to help the Hero of Time (or any Hero for that matter) and absolutely nothing as a result, about her having to make amends.

The site had excellent sited references to back up their claims, and I checked up on it myself. I posted what I remembered, ok? It was a while ago.

Originally Posted by SuperDecimal

And Kaepora Gaebora isn't a woman or ancient Goddess, is he?

Oh so is sheik a woman now? Do you see woman parts on him? I dont think so.

Originally Posted by LexLionHart

The two triangles were called the "Triforce of Power" and the "Triforce of Wisdom", indeed, but at that point the collective "Triforce" (the three triangles) hadn't been introduced.

Surely that supports the idea that the Triforces were named after their trianglular shape, rather than the number of actual segments.

The collective Triforce was not introduced as there were not initially three segments to be named after.

Adventure of Link introduced the Triforce of Courage, and Ocarina of Time retconned three triangles into the creation of the Triforce.

Originally Posted by Bingo675

Oh so is sheik a woman now? Do you see woman parts on him? I dont think so.

Sheik was always a woman, given that Sheik is Princess Zelda, masquerading as a man.

Originally Posted by SuperDecimal

The collective Triforce was not introduced as there were not initially three segments to be named after.

There were not "not three" segments, either. There were two featured segments. A "retcon" is when there is a fact that is replaced with another, differing fact that cannot be true if the first fact is true. Adding additional facts to the table doesn't constitute retconning per se.

For example, if there were three male deities involved in the creation of the world, and they were later changed to female deities, that would be a retcon.
If there were three deities in one tale, and two in another, that would not necessarily be a retcon, because if there were three, there obviously had to have been two (unless there were "only two").

also about the shield its like saying that there 6 triforce pieces because OoX the shields have 6 triangles which is crap

Originally Posted by LexLionHart

Sheik was always a woman, given that Sheik is Princess Zelda, masquerading as a man.


There were not "not three" segments, either. There were two featured segments. A "retcon" is when there is a fact that is replaced with another, differing fact that cannot be true if the first fact is true.

Originally Posted by Bingo675

Oh so is sheik a woman now? Do you see woman parts on him? I dont think so.

Keep on-topic.

The site had excellent sited references to back up their claims, and I checked up on it myself. I posted what I remembered, ok? It was a while ago.

But none of it was official or canon information.
It was all theory and speculation - like most of this thread and what we've all said.
However, your notion of Kaepora being a Goddess is not possible,
considering the game itself, named him a reincarnated sage.

• Him, meaning he.
• Sage, meaning not Goddess.
• An evil Goddess that refused to help the Hero of Time and was banished and made to repent iscompletely false.

Honestly - it sounds like bad fanfiction. Very bad.

Well, you guys were busy while I was out!

Yeah, the idea of Kaepora Gaebora being an evil Goddess (or even a vessel/servant of an evil Goddess) doesn't seem probable. And even if he was connected to an evil Goddess, why would he have been a Sage (he's a reincarnation), and why would he be honored on the Royal Crest?

And an evil Goddess would most likely be taken care of before the creation of the Triforce (and therefore the creation of the world).

Originally Posted by SuperDecimal

Keep on-topic.

It is on topic. Zelda trasformed genders magically. This is my point.

Originally Posted by SuperDecimal

But none of it was official or canon information.
It was all theory and speculation - like most of this thread and what we've all said.
However, your notion of Kaepora being a Goddess is not possible,
considering the game itself, named him a reincarnated sage.

• Him, meaning he.
• Sage, meaning not Goddess.
• An evil Goddess that refused to help the Hero of Time and was banished and made to repent iscompletely false.

Honestly - it sounds like bad fanfiction. Very bad.

I dont even write fanfiction. Ive heard this theory in different places before. Ill look it up later, working on schoolwork right now.
And I took 'sage' to mean someone of importance, not specifically a sage.

And I took 'sage' to mean someone of importance, not specifically a sage

In the context of Ocarina of Time, a sage is a guardian of a temple, whose powers accompany the Hero.
The fusion of the Sage powers with the Hero create the Hero of Time

Rauru talks that he and ancient sages created the Temple of Light.
The Gossip Stone says Kaepora is perhaps the re-incarnation of an ancient sage.

Consequently, it's unlikely the word "sage" could be used to refer to anything else.

Originally Posted by Eralk Fang

Well, you guys were busy while I was out!

Yeah, the idea of Kaepora Gaebora being an evil Goddess (or even a vessel/servant of an evil Goddess) doesn't seem probable. And even if he was connected to an evil Goddess, why would he have been a Sage (he's a reincarnation), and why would he be honored on the Royal Crest?

And an evil Goddess would most likely be taken care of before the creation of the Triforce (and therefore the creation of the world).

The symbol of the bird of the Royal Crest is much like the American icon the Bald Eagle, i can't remember what it represents but i would have to see it would mean the same kinda thing.

As for Kaepora Gaebora well if some people have searched the Gossip Stones in Forest Sacred Meadow you'll find the information that tells of him being a reincarnation of an ancient sage. Which brings me to a question that has bugged me for ages, WHO is he reincarnated from and why was he given new life, would the sages of OoT get the same treatment later on.

Originally Posted by SuperDecimal

In the context of Ocarina of Time, a sage is a guardian of a temple, whose powers accompany the Hero.
The fusion of the Sage powers with the Hero create the Hero of Time

Rauru talks that he and ancient sages created the Temple of Light.
The Gossip Stone says Kaepora is perhaps the re-incarnation of an ancient sage.

Consequently, it's unlikely the word "sage" could be used to refer to anything else.

I suppose...although it would fit better.

Ill look up that information tomorrow for you guys, to give you somthing to squabble about.

Originally Posted by >Twilight_Link<

Ok. Listen. Why do they call it a TRI-force? IT ONLY HAS 3 POWERS! There is no 4th power, bcause then it would be the Quad-Force, or Uni-Force.

There is only 3 peices!

Gannon-Banned.

Exactly. If there were to be more than three goddesses, there would be more than three pieces in the Triforce.

And the fourth triangle on the shield -- note that it is smaller than one of the triangles in the Triforce. It rpobably resembles a portion of the Triforce.

Also the owl is not a goddess. The owl is a male, so he would be a god. And sages are not goddesses.

There is no goddess of sand. The 'Goddess of Sand' probably refers to Nabooru, who is a sage, making the term 'Goddess of Sand' an over-exaggeration.

Kaepora Gaebora flies to the desert because he is a traveler. And what does this have to do with a goddess?

The Goddess of Time probably probably is talking about Nayru. In OoS/OoA, she is reffered to as the Oracle of Ages, and ages being time.

And a problem with your Spirit Theory. SPIRITS ARE NOT GODDESSES.

The Goddess of Sand most likely refers to Din, who is credited with creating the earth in the creation story. The Temple is ancient, and Nabooru is in her twenties/thirties; there's no way it can refer to specifically Nabooru. The inner statue of the Goddess of Sand has the Triforce on one of her palms as well, a reference to the Golden Goddesses.

Nayru the Oracle and Nayru the Goddess are not the same person, although they are connected. I agree with Nayru being the Goddess of Time. Nayru's classification as a Goddess of Time is very plausible, as she is credited with creating the laws and physics of the universe; time would certainly be one of them.

It's three days later and an entirely different point; if this is construed as a double post, tell me and I'll change it.

Let me play devil's advocate for just a minute.

Zelda's Secret Ocarina is a site that documents the pre-production stages of Ocarina of Time, and lost data within Zelda games, primarily Ocarina of Time. Normally, I'd never use it to back up an argument. Beta Zelda material was removed for a reason, right?

However, they found a debug level of Hyrule Castle Garden that is identical to the one found in the game, save for boxes where barrels should be and a detail in Zelda's Courtyard. A few statues, the water, and the guards are missing. However, the rest of the statues are left intact, as they are in the game, and therefore, in canon.

I bring to your attention this particular monument.



We have a Triforce on the pedestal of a statue of four female figures.

If it were three, it'd be a simple statue of the Golden Goddesses. Instead, we have four.

Onto various explanations!

1. I don't think there's a Fourth Goddess, but out of all the Fourth Goddess ideas, I like the one that makes the Fourth Goddess evil. Perhaps this is a statue of the original Four Goddesses before the Fourth Goddess fell?

2. It isn't a statue of the Goddesses at all, but a statue of past Hylian queens. They are standing in pairs- the one behind is the mother of the one standing before her.

3. It isn't a statue of the Goddesses at all. The four have raised arms, palms open to the heavens. They could be some sort of Triforce bearers.

Obviously, only the first one applies to the Fourth Goddess theory. What do you guys think?

I think Bingo is half right half wrong. Its all three pieces in one its everything and nothing at the same time because then you can still call it the triforce. If you battle this in court against the Goddesses you would look like a fool and lose. (TV turns on and guy says an announcers voice) COME BUY YOUR 4TH PIECE TODAY!!!!!!!! YOU CAN HAVE THE POWER TO RISE OVER YOUR AUTHORITIES WHO MAKE YOU LOOK DUMB!! OR HAVE WISDOM TO PASS THAT MATH TEST OF 34X444 OR HAVE THE COURAGE TO SAY NO TO BULLIES WHO HARRASE YOU AND STAND UP TO PEER PRESSURE SAY NO TO DRUGS!!! WHY YOU CAN EVEN USE IT FOR A DOORSTOP FOR ALL I CARE (says announcer in a desperate voice) Thats not all IT GLOWS IN THE DARK
9 year old kid comes up and tries it (lights in sacred realm turn off) WOWWWWWW!!!!! YOU CAN FIP IT UPSIDE DOWN OR RIGHT SIDE UP HOWEVER YOU LOOK AT IT! (kid flips it but fails on his first try.) YOU CAN SPIN IT LIKE A COIN! its yours for a low low price of 1,000 ruppes if you call in the next ten minutes we will slash the price in half!!!!!!!!!!!! thats right 500 ruppes form 1,000. will you be the special bearer? I think we are at the don't know stage about it because the symbol is there escpally the shield. Maybe nintendo will come out more of it later in the future games maybe nintendo will even make a large part of the storyline in the next game about it or the entire story. That would be cool for the so called new direction its going a fresh story. It may even make a revoultion of the zelda series but keep it familer and give Link a rest? note if link doesn't make it in the next one he can always come back in a future game. Now back to the topic. Back to the ranch. (wishs on 4th piece for this to not turn into a fight)

Okay, I have to lock this thread because threads with no replies in the last month are not supposed to be revived.

Also, use the edit button rather than double posting. *deletes the extra posts*