The Origin of the Master Sword (Spoilers - Zelda Experts Only!)

I just got done playing Zelda: Minish Cap for the first time. (I know. I'm terribly slow.) At the beginning, the story refers to a sacred blade made by the Picori (Minish). It looks a lot like the Master Sword. I am the last person to think that the way something or someone looks has much if any significance in Zelda games, but it could still be.

So my point is, could the Picori be the original forgers of the Master Sword? If that's the case then that would mean two things.

(1) The Master Sword breaks, then is reforged and infused with new power and becomes the Four Sword. That would solve the problem of having to use the Four Sword when the Master Sword is available and is the "tried and true" "evil's bane" blade.

(2) The Picori are a very ancient race, but that's not as important, unless that fact presents a problem...

What do you think?

I always wondered that too, but were Picori around before Oot? And didn't the sages make the master sword? I like the idea of it breaking though.

I just got done reading Master of ALttP's Imprisoning war post. It very thorough and well thought out. In some cases though I thought he was splitting hairs. It any of that is right, and anything to do with OoT was not the Imprisoning War, then that would mean OoT was not the first Zelda chapter. It's interesting. I don't know.

When it come to things this deep, I try not to think to much about it. Miyamoto himself says that he doesn't want to follow a timeline or anything so that he can make new Zelda game freely. That being the case, it pretty much impossible to figure out the connection between games.

There's a few theories about how it came to be:

1) The Gods told the Hylians to Forge it.
2) The Gods told the Sages to forge it.

And a few theories of when it came to be:

1) It was forged during The Imprisoning War
2) It was forged before The Imprisoning War.

I believe #2 in both areas.

Originally Posted by The Silent Assassin

There's a few theories about how it came to be:

1) The Gods told the Hylians to Forge it.
2) The Gods told the Sages to forge it.

And a few theories of when it came to be:

1) It was forged during The Imprisoning War
2) It was forged before The Imprisoning War.

I believe #2 in both areas.

You're right, TSA. Well, maybe on the second one. All we know is that the gods told the people of Hyrule to make the Master Sword before the Imprisoning War.

Originally Posted by LinkZeldaGanon

I just got done reading Master of ALttP's Imprisoning war post. It very thorough and well thought out. In some cases though I thought he was splitting hairs. It any of that is right, and anything to do with OoT was not the Imprisoning War, then that would mean OoT was not the first Zelda chapter. It's interesting. I don't know.

What? Splitting hairs? I found evidence that proves that the Seal War (a.k.a. Imprisoning War) was not before or during Ocarina of Time. Meaning, the final battle of OoT is not the Seal War, as many people still believe. That'll all change here in a few months, though.

When it come to things this deep, I try not to think to much about it. Miyamoto himself says that he doesn't want to follow a timeline or anything so that he can make new Zelda game freely. That being the case, it pretty much impossible to figure out the connection between games.

Actually, wasn't that just in TSA's fake interview where that was said? Maybe not, I'm not really into reading through interviews. I'm sure that's how Miyamoto feels about things. Sure, they've probably got a general timeline done, and then they put games in there once they're made. By not revealing this general outline of Hyrule's history, Nintendo is free to make the Zelda games that fit in there however they like. This way, they can introduce new and intuitive gameplay mechanics, while still giving the fans what they want. Oh, and it is possible to find a connection between all the games. In fact, LOZ Historian, silver arrow, and I have perhaps the best Zelda timeline in existence, and guess what? It doesn't involve the timeline splitting! If you're a split timeline supporter and/or theorist, then you'd better run now while you still have a chance.

Originally Posted by LinkZeldaGanon

I just got done playing Zelda: Minish Cap for the first time. (I know. I'm terribly slow.) At the beginning, the story refers to a sacred blade made by the Picori (Minish). It looks a lot like the Master Sword. I am the last person to think that the way something or someone looks has much if any significance in Zelda games, but it could still be.

So my point is, could the Picori be the original forgers of the Master Sword? If that's the case then that would mean two things.

(1) The Master Sword breaks, then is reforged and infused with new power and becomes the Four Sword. That would solve the problem of having to use the Four Sword when the Master Sword is available and is the "tried and true" "evil's bane" blade.

(2) The Picori are a very ancient race, but that's not as important, unless that fact presents a problem...

What do you think?

Your theories are rather flawed. First off, the Master Sword is a holy and sacred blade. It is infused with vast amounts of magical power beyond comprehension, so I don't think it'd break that easily. Go ahead, drop an atom bomb or two on it. It'll probably be just as shiny as before, and now it'll be glowing green from all the radiation. Second, the Picori may be an ancient race, but we know nothing of them inhabiting Hyrule in any game besides The Minish Cap. Therefore, we must assume that it hasn't been until recently that they encountered humans. (And by recently, I mean as recent as historical events are in Hyrule, which is hundreds of years.)

-Think it was the hylians that forged the blade, and the sages that prayed to it, transmitting the power to destory evil, it was the hylians who made it, and the sages who shined it.

It was then after it's many adventures that it was layed down to rest, it was the picori, called by the gods who awoke the master sword, for the hands of a hylian could not wake such a blade. After the ventures of the Hero of Men the sword was layed to rest again, and now served as a holy relic.

Of course through all that time the sages are now long gone, as are their decendants, so the power infused into the master sword is gone, which is why it breaks in TMC, and must be reforged by the picori, who awakened the sword, the hands of a true hero, and the elements of hyrule which could be seen as the last remnant of any sort of sages connection.

i could have(correct me if i'm wrong) sworn that it was forged by the gods.

Originally Posted by hylianprincess7

i could have(correct me if i'm wrong) sworn that it was forged by the gods.

Nope. The Triforce was forged by the goddesses, the Master Sword was made by the Hylians after the gods told them to make it. It was to serve as a "break glass in case of emergency" think in case an evil person got their hands on the Triforce. Actually, it's more of an "in case of emergency, find Hero to wield sword" thing, but hey, same concept.

Well, I am not gonna read the replies, because they are too damn long. So, what I know is that in ALttP, the town mayor/sage guy's (I forget his name) wife says that the blade was made by the ancient Hylian to ward off evil. Basically a blade used by a knight during the Seal Wars. (That's my opinion) And around the game, clues are given that Hylians aren't around anymore. (Stuff like Link has to have the Book of Murdora to decipher Hylian inscriptions...[etc.]) That game gives me the best description. So, what I think is that the sword was forged by the gods in the Golden Realm. Basically because it was forged when Hylians "existed", and in OoT, it is in the room that leads to the realm itself. Yeah... Hey, didja see that commercial for the Oracle series when Link goes into the tower and the Master Sword is broken into three pieces, then he plays his harp and the sword comes back together? Yeah, that was a cool commercial. Although now I've downloaded it from the ZU media files!

No way. According to page 5 of the ALttP manual the quote goes like this:

"Suspecting that Ganon's pwer was based on the Triforce's magic, the people of Hyrule forged a sword resistant to magic which could repulse even powers granted by the Triforce."

To me the word "people" sounds like they are refering to Hylians not picoris.

Originally Posted by HeroOfTime5

No way. According to page 5 of the ALttP manual the quote goes like this:

"Suspecting that Ganon's pwer was based on the Triforce's magic, the people of Hyrule forged a sword resistant to magic which could repulse even powers granted by the Triforce."

To me the word "people" sounds like they are refering to Hylians not picoris.

Yes, it does say that, but that's a localization error. The Japanese manual states that the gods told the people of Hyrule to create a "blade of evil's bane" in order to repel evil. This way, in case an evil person got their hands on the Triforce, Hyrule wouldn't be doomed. You've been Master'd!

Originally Posted by Master of ALttP

Nope. The Triforce was forged by the goddesses, the Master Sword was made by the Hylians after the gods told them to make it. It was to serve as a "break glass in case of emergency" think in case an evil person got their hands on the Triforce. Actually, it's more of an "in case of emergency, find Hero to wield sword" thing, but hey, same concept.

ok so i was close. my second guess is that the sages made it...

Originally Posted by Master of ALttP

Yes, it does say that, but that's a localization error. The Japanese manual states that the gods told the people of Hyrule to create a "blade of evil's bane" in order to repel evil. This way, in case an evil person got their hands on the Triforce, Hyrule wouldn't be doomed. You've been Master'd!

I don't understand what do you mean? Are you trying to say that the master sword isn't the "blade of evil's bane"?

Where the Master Sword came from...? How it was made...? I believe it could've been made ith three possibilities: One, the sages made it. Two, the goddesses made it. Three, ancient Hylians made it.

Originally Posted by HeroOfTime5

I don't understand what do you mean? Are you trying to say that the master sword isn't the "blade of evil's bane"?

The Master Sword is the "blade of evil's bane." I was saying that the gods told the people of Hyrule to forge the Master Sword in case someone with evil intentions got their hands on the Triforce.

The Picori Sowrd/White Sword is not the Master sword based on some histoical refernces of why the FS Saga does not come before OoT.

In TMC the country seems to be unified and at peace. OoT speaks of a time known as the fierce wars which took place BEFORE the country of Hyrule was at peace and unified by the King. Their is NO record of another and/or same dynasty of the Royal Family existing before the fierce wars, but only refernce of that dynasty being the same existant one up to OoT's events. The fierce wars were where the birth of the Royal Family emerged to rule over the land of Hyrule. The land of Hyrule had NO predessors before this historical movement. So TMC cannot co