The Triforce of Power/ Trident Connection~Zuna Relation.

Due to some recently gained knowledge thanks to theories disscussed by Zeldagamer21 I have decided to revive an old theory of mine.
Mods please do not consider this revivng an old thread the new information I have recieved has changed the outlook of it completely.

… … …
Seek …you…the world?
Seek you…power?

Does your…soul…despise
Peace and… thirst for…
More?

Does you soul…cry…
For…destruction and…
Conquest?

We…grant you… power to
… ruin…the world. The
power of…darkness.

Evil… spirit of
Magic trident.

You are…the…
King of Darkness.

Above is a quote from FSA, it is the scripture written in an 'ancient language' which resides atop the great pyramid with the Trident itself.
My question is, who created this artifact of immense power and why?

In FSA we are told by a race that inhabit the desert, the Zuna that their ancestors built the Great Pyramid, but they never mention anything about the trident.

As I have spoken about in another Thread titled "Ganon the Gerudo?"
I believe that FSA sees the birth of the very first Ganon.

In the time of FSA the Gerudos are a peaceful race, not once are they referred to as thieves or black magic users.
Every 100 yrs a male Gerudo is born into their tribe who is destined to become their next ruler. For centuries their kings have lead them well but their current king, Gannondorf has shown signs of evil and a lust for more and more power.

At this stage of Hyrule's history no-one has found the triforce that has been left behind by the goddesses, therefore Gannondorf does not yet have the triforce of power.
A legend must have existed throughout Hyrule that an Artifact that would bestow the user unimaginable power existed within the Great Pyramid, for when Ganondorf's lust for power became too strong he knew exactly where to go...

Ganondorf took the trident and became the prince of darkness.

A common theory is that Ganondorf's alter ego (Ganon) is a transformation that takes place through the use of the triforce of power, yet in FSA Ganondorf transforms into Ganon without the triforce of power, he transforms under the will of the trident.

The trident and the triforce of power both show similar characteristics in that they both grant the user all the power they desire, and allow the transformation of Ganon to take place.
Could it be possible that the Trident is in fact the embodiment of the triforce of power?
Now how could this happen who could possibly have the power to do so?

One theory is that the trident was created by the Dark tribe mentioned in FSA. Some believe this ‘dark tribe’ to be related to the Zuna and possibly the pyramid builders they claim ancestry to, it makes perfect sense after all the trident is found in their pyramid. While the Zuna appear in no way evil-minded, one Zuna in the village tells us this:
"Do you want to know the
secret of the pyramid?

When we're young, we're
told all the legends of
the pyramid!

There are many frightening
tales about the pyramid.

They say there's an evil
force... No wait... They
say there's no evil force."

Are the Zuna being fed conflicting information about their true heritage and, 'wise' ancestors? From the looks of things they are told to tell foreigners lies to cover up something.

Questions, ideas? Please speak up!

*Credit goes to Zeldagamer21 for the Zuna/Dark tribe theory*
For further info on the Zunas connection to the dark tribe, please see Zeldagamer21's thread: An Unnoticed Race

Well their is NO way I'm going to believe that bit about the Trident of Power being infused with the Triforce of Power. Thats to much assumption involved and not enough proof showing from FSA and or other LoZ to back up the theroy of how it got infused with the Trident of Power.

That statement in your theory is a sorry attempt to put all the FS series before WW, so it matches up that Ganondorf has the Triforce of Power up until WW occurs. I believe in most of the rest of your theroy but I will do everything I can to destroy that idea, for it threatens the structure of my timeline. So be prepared my young historian.

hehe /salute
In all honesty this was not a "sorry attempt to put all the FS before WW" if anything it opens doors to connecting the games where Ganon possesses the trident.

… … …
Seek you the world?
Seek you power?

Does your soul despise
Peace and thirst for
More?

Does you soul cry
For destruction and
Conquest?

We can grant you power to
ruin the world! The
power of darkness.

The Evil spirit of
Magic trident.
Can make you into
King of Darkness!
CALL 1-555-555-5555 NOW!
You may be defeated by a hero of time or grow longer hair out of your ears.

That REALLY sounds like an advertisement. Maybe it was created to balance the force of the Sword of Evil's Bane. The Zuna gods or whatever the hell you call them caused the old Zuna's ancestry to be evil. Because of their evil-ness when the old Zuna were extinct they put their power into an Evil Trident. To hide from the Goddesses Din, Farore, and Nayru.

Originally Posted by Doc Rock

That REALLY sounds like an advertisement. Maybe it was created to balance the force of the Sword of Evil's Bane. The Zuna gods or whatever the hell you call them caused the old Zuna's ancestry to be evil. Because of their evil-ness when the old Zuna were extinct they put their power into an Evil Trident. To hide from the Goddesses Din, Farore, and Nayru.

I don't think i really understand what you're trying to say here, are you implying that the Zuna's ancestors created the trident to counteract the creation of the master sword? hmm I like the idea but in the context I don't really think it fits in. This would mean that whatever dark force lead the dark tribe (we'll call them that for the theory's sake) to create the trident was somehow on Ganon's side, the master sword was created afterall to push back Ganon's triforce enduced powers. This would mean that the events of Alttp predate FSA and we are seeing the birth of a new Ganon (which i agree with).

[Edit] Wow something big just hit me, ok so assuming the trident was created to counteract the creation of the master sword here's how I see the events would have unfolded:

The events preceeding Alttp
Ganon enters the Golden land, makes his wish and the Golden land becomes the dark realm. Ganon begins launching attacks on Hyrule via the dark world , the Hylians forge the master sword and await a hero to wield it, Ganon inturn gets the Zuna (who I dare say look remarkably like Ganon's alter ego Agahim ) to forge the Trident and Ganon wields it to battle against Hyrule. The seven wise men imprison Ganon in the dark world. The imprisoning war begins.

The master sword was created to repel the magic of the triforce, why is not possible that Ganon could do the reverse? Ganon places some of the triforces power into the trident.

The events of Alttp
Ganon and Link face off... in a pyramid, (the very same one created by the Zuna's ancestors maybe?)
Link wins the battle and Ganon dies, his wish is lost and the dark world becomes non-existant.

Ganon's followers the Zuna recover the trident still imbued with the triforces power and place it in their Pyramid (it is doubtful that this is the same pyramid in Alttp as the dark world becomes non-existant) Possibly the Zuna build a pyramid in honor of their fallen hero, their they place trident awaiting the next prince of darkness. at somepoint after this the people of Hyrule find out about the Zunas corruption and trap them in the dark mirror.

Originally Posted by LOZ Historian

I believe in most of the rest of your theroy but I will do everything I can to destroy that idea, for it threatens the structure of my timeline. So be prepared my young historian.

Yes, it threatens your timeline, but not everyone else's. I don't mean to be nasty, I'm just giving you a bit of advice: your timeline is well structured and thought-out, but you must respect the fact that others have a different view of the timeline to that of you. If they have said something like "OoT isn't the first", or it's a split timeline theory, then I will bow to you for destroying their theory, but when they haven't said anything that is wrong, don't try and force your timeline upon others. By the way Inferno, FSA is the game that comes before the Seal War told of in the ALttP backstory, so ALttP can't come before FSA.

Originally Posted by ZeldaGamer21

By the way Inferno, FSA is the game that comes before the Seal War told of in the ALttP backstory, so ALttP can't come before FSA.

And just where exactly has this been confirmed? It is just another theory

In FSA we see many aspects that relate to what ALttP refers and depicts back to. During the era that FSA takes place, we see that the famous Knights of Hyrule were present. ALttp refers to these particular knights and their sacred bloodline in a particular age long gone by. There are geographical simularities ( they don't count much because the artists that make the overworld sheme are not always accurate) and some certain important places shown that appear in ALttP. On Death Mountain, a tower that very much looks like the Tower of Hera in ALttP, is situated their. Also their are some other factors from FSA that seem to foreshadow the Seal War and ALttP, but I can't remember them. So it is not that much of a "theory" when their is some crucial eveidence sid and shown throughout the two games relating to each other.

Well yes the evidence is there but it has yet to be confirmed. The geographical feautures and certain structures can exist either way you look at it (even if Alttp comes first).
Consider this, During the Imprisoning war the knights were killed. Ganon revived them and bent them under his will to serve as stalfos knights.
After Alttp I believe Ganon was killed not merely sealed away. Vaati's appearence in the world in the coming years afterwards coincides with the 'rebirth' or reincarnation on Ganondorf who when once again feels his lust for power discovers the legend of a trident possessed by the prince of darkness long ago (His former self, or another Ganon completely) , he reclaims his trident and then the events of FSA occur.

*note*
The Stalfos knights after Ganon's (in Alttp) death remain hidden and when the new Ganondorf wields the trident he once again calls the knights forth to serve him.

I know there is probably a fault in here somewhere, but feel free to enlighten me and i'll see what I can do to fix it

Originally Posted by Inferno

Well yes the evidence is there but it has yet to be confirmed. The geographical feautures and certain structures can exist either way you look at it (even if Alttp comes first).
Consider this, During the Imprisoning war the knights were killed. Ganon revived them and bent them under his will to serve as stalfos knights.
After Alttp I believe Ganon was killed not merely sealed away. Vaati's appearence in the world in the coming years afterwards coincides with the 'rebirth' or reincarnation on Ganondorf who when once again feels his lust for power discovers the legend of a trident possessed by the prince of darkness long ago (His former self, or another Ganon completely) , he reclaims his trident and then the events of FSA occur.

*note*
The Stalfos knights after Ganon's (in Alttp) death remain hidden and when the new Ganondorf wields the trident he once again calls the knights forth to serve him.

I know there is probably a fault in here somewhere, but feel free to enlighten me and i'll see what I can do to fix it

Uh, your puting the Fs aeries AFTER ALttP. I already told you that the Knights of Hyrule don't exist after the era of ALttP. At least not the ones spoken of in past tense by the maidens in ALttP. In FSA, Zeld does quote Ganon as an evil spirit reborn from long ago. But is ALttP really the only LoZ to have Ganon completly destoyed "physicaly"? WW. And what about Anouma saying that FS (obviously TMC too) was the oldest LoZ's? Have yoyu ever thought that he was being literal in concept that the FS saga is in fact the first LoZ's in the new and/or reborn Hyrule AFTER WW and PH.

Anyway keep that in mind.

Another thing about the Trident. Did you ever notice that Ganon had the Trident in ALttP? Who knows if that is the same one from FSA but it is possible. If the FS LoZ's are first in the timeine, they set off the foundation of Hylian History with a reborn reincarnation of Ganondorf. He is in fact sealed away with the Trident of Power. When he escapes and follows through with his plans to discover a way to the Sacred Realm, the Seal War takes place. ALttP falls into play ceturies later.

I could get real detailed and prove you wrong but I have important matters to attend too. I'll timeline debate you later.

Originally Posted by LOZ Historian

Uh, your puting the Fs aeries AFTER ALttP. I already told you that the Knights of Hyrule don't exist after the era of ALttP. At least not the ones spoken of in past tense by the maidens in ALttP.
Anyway keep that in mind.

Yes technically the knights do not exist, that is because they are dead. Killed and ressurected as the Stalfos knights we see in FSA. The maidens would have no way of knowing that they live through death.

Another thing about the Trident. Did you ever notice that Ganon had the Trident in ALttP?

Of course I noticed that is why I tried to link the games in the first place.

Overall we are looking at the same story just from a different perspective, I see the events unfold differently to you.

Originally Posted by Inferno

Overall we are looking at the same story just from a different perspective, I see the events unfold differently to you.

Isn't that the cause of all timeline debate? Anyways, I have a few ideas to throw out there. I believe that FSA comes before ALttP, so that would explain where Ganon got the Trident from in ALttP. Now, that would also mean that Ganon in ALttP is in fact a reincarnation of the original Ganondorf. Now, in Phantom Hourglass, Ganondorf's influence has reached the Great Sea or something like that, so what if that "influence" was in fact Ganondorf's spirit and it was waiting for the right time to return? Then, when the male gerudo spoken about in FSA is born, Ganondorf's spirit takes over its body in order to pursue its goals. Those are just a few ideas I had while reading through the last few posts here. Well, let's hear what you all have to say.

Originally Posted by Inferno

Yes technically the knights do not exist, that is because they are dead. Killed and ressurected as the Stalfos knights we see in FSA. The maidens would have no way of knowing that they live through death.

How is it implied in FSA about the maidens knowing about the Knights of Hyrule living through death. ANother thing you failed to notice about FSA is the existance of the Dark World. HA! The Dark World only existed BEFORE ALttP. It dissapeared after Ganon was destroyed.

Originally Posted by Inferno

Overall we are looking at the same story just from a different perspective, I see the events unfold differently to you.

I can see that obviously.

Originally Posted by LOZ Historian

How is it implied in FSA about the maidens knowing about the Knights of Hyrule living through death. ANother thing you failed to notice about FSA is the existance of the Dark World. HA! The Dark World only existed BEFORE ALttP. It dissapeared after Ganon was destroyed.

Hm... I never thought of that one. Strange that I'd miss something like that. Okay, so we've just gotten ourselves another piece of evidence to use in the future...

Originally Posted by LOZ Historian

How is it implied in FSA about the maidens knowing about the Knights of Hyrule living through death. ANother thing you failed to notice about FSA is the existance of the Dark World. HA! The Dark World only existed BEFORE ALttP. It dissapeared after Ganon was destroyed.

I said the maidens would have known nothing about the fact the knights lived on as stalfos, not that they knew. I know the dark world ceased to exist after Alttp I even wrote it in the original post, I was under the impression that the dark world of FSA was not something created by Ganon, but somehow by Vaati, whether it is even the same place as the golden land is another factor.

Originally Posted by Inferno

I said the maidens would have known nothing about the fact the knights lived on as stalfos, not that they knew. I know the dark world ceased to exist after Alttp I even wrote it in the original post, I was under the impression that the dark world of FSA was not something created by Ganon, but somehow by Vaati, whether it is even the same place as the golden land is another factor.

How can Vaati create a whole other world? He's not that powerful. ALttP refers specifically to how the Golden Land became the Dark World. Ganon obtained the Triforce and wishe dto rule the world. His wish corrupted the Sacred Realm and, wahla, the it became the Dark World. The Dark World you see in FSA before the events of the Seal War range back form the OoT era. The Sacred Realm has alaways been the Evil Realm even up to WW when the King of Red Lions refered to him as the lord of the Dark Realm. The only time the world ever could have been purified is some time when the Triforce was brought back to the Sacred Realm. But their is no direct evidence of that happening... yet. But it will based on other historical evidence. I won't elaborate on those unless you ask me, so continue.