AoL Comes Right Before WW Theory

In this theory I will provide facts and little assumption that can provide evidence that WW may come some time after LoZ and AoL. I have researched thoroughly in the endings of AoL and throughout the WW’s current state of the Great Sea. Here is the first thing I encountered as evidence to support this theory.

As some of you know, some time in history, Hyrule relocated their country in the highlands past the Northeastern boundaries of Death Mountain. Where we have commonly known the custom layout of the Hyrule Atlas that shows Hyrule’s region lay South/Southwest of Death Mountain, there is not enough mountain ranges to support islands when the Great Flood happens. But we cannot help but notice that there are indeed more mountain ranges everywhere, on convenient islands, in the AoL atlas. Ah but that is not all, for North Castle (upper left hand corner of map) lays so promptly in the inner perimeter of a lake just like it does in Hyrule under the Great Sea in WW. I have researched through the text of the WW and nowhere does it say that the castle in WW is indeed named Hyrule Castle. The King of Red Lions only says that they are in Hyrule. And this is the only castle that is located throughout history that is in the inner perimeter of a lake on a little piece of land. (Keep in mind that the portal near the Tower of Gods that leads down to Hyrule does not necessarily lead down on top of Hyrule Castle or if it did then the base structure of the tower would be noticeable under the sea, much like the Forsaken Fortress not being above Ganon’s Tower. Its common since really. So therefore the portals bring you to an area where the castle may be under the sea somewhere else.) Also look at how the mountain ranges surround the castle just like they do in WW.
You can observe all of this on the map provided in the link below.

http://www.zeldalegends.net/files/ga...z2worldmap.gif

Here is other proof that backs this theory up as far as storyline facts from WW.

WW Prologue Quote Text:

This boy, who traveled through time to save the land, was known as the Hero of Time. The boy's tale was passed down through generations until it became legend... But then...a day came when a fell wind began to blow across the kingdom. The great evil that all thought had been forever sealed away by the hero...once again crept forth from the depths of the earth, eager to resume its dark designs. The people believed that the Hero of Time would again come to save them...But the hero did not appear. Faced by an onslaught of evil, the people could do nothing but appeal to the gods. In their last hour, as doom drew nigh, they left their future in the hands of fate.
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WW Prologue Picture Below in Link:

http://www.zeldalegends.net/gallery/...522&fullsize=1

In this prologue it states of how Ganon crept forth from the depths of the earth. I interpret that meaning he came back from the underworld as spoken of in LoZ where he last was defeated in the depths of Death Mountain. (Depicted in the link above.) Nowhere in WW does it say Ganon escaped from the Seal of Sages. It only says that he was revived and continued his dark design on Hyrule’s history until the destined hero did not show up. This did not of course happen necessarily right after OoT right away after many centries. There is a theory that through out the other legends of Zelda that prove that the Hero of Time’s tale was known throughout the other LoZ’s and that the people of Hyrule thought the new hero of there time was the Hero of Time reborn in spirit. The theory that shows how the people of Hyrule’s destined hero to appear in there hour of doom is stated here referring to the Hero of Time and the other hero’s that followed after him:

You MUST visit and read the link provided below in order to understand how Hyrule knows of the Hero of Time legend in following LoZ’s and most importantly in the AoL.

The Hero's Coincidental Attire

Titled: The Hero’s Coincidental Attire

Now there is another matter at hand of how and when and what exact time the Triforce was distributed after AoL that follows through into WW’s plot. Here is the text of what the King of Red Lions said about the Triforce of Courage.

King of Red Lions Quote Text from WW:

Link, do you know the legend of the Hero of Time? Once, long ago, he defeated Ganon and brought peace to the Kingdom of Hyrule...A piece of the Triforce was given to the Hero of Time and he kept it safe, much as Zelda kept hers. That sacred piece is known as the Triforce of Courage. When the Hero of Time was called to embark on another journey (MM occurs) and left the land of Hyrule, he was separated from the elements that made him a hero. It is said that at that time, the Triforce of Courage was split into eight shards and hidden throughout the land. Even I do not know where they rest, but this much I do know: they lie hidden somewhere in this Great Sea.
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Now here is the Triforce scenario ordeal about the placements of the Triforce pieces where they had to be separated some time after the AoL when it was whole.

Based on the text so far, the Triforce of Courage was said to be broken after The Hero of Time left Hyrule. But the elements that made the Hero of Time that separated from him do not just necessarily mean just the Triforce of Courage alone. The elements could mean things such as the Master Sword or sage medallions, ect. If you read the text closely you will see something that the King of Red Lions does not know and speculates on how, when and where the Triforce of Courage could have been broken right after the Hero of Time left Hyrule. First off the Triforce of Courage could have only been separated and hidden AFTER the Great Flood of Hyrule occurred. The reason being that is, is that the fragments had to be originally hid by someone in the first place because they were charted in their locations SPECIFICALLY by the island. So therefore the Triforce of Courage was hidden many centuries after OoT and were hid by Hyrule’s civilization after the Great Flood. Therefore the King of Red lions, not knowing where they are in the first place, can not make the assumption that the fragments were hidden immediately right after the Hero of Time left Hyrule.

Now we are left with the Triforce of Wisdom. That is in the hands of the Royal family and is passed down by Zelda’s ancestors. The Triforce of Power on the other hand has to be speculated upon how it ended up in Ganon’s hands again after AoL. But let me explain. In the prologue of the AoL it is said that Ganon’s followers were still awaiting his return after his defeat in Death Mountain. It was said that if they mixed the blood of the destined hero on to the ashes of Ganon he would become reborn. At the end of the AoL think acquires the whole Triforce and Hyrule holds possession of it once again through Link. Now Ganon’s minions could very well still carry out the plan of getting Links blood and sacrificing his body much like they decided to do after the events of LoZ. For it was told that Link left Hyrule after his duties as the Hero and mysteriously disappeared into legend. In the AoL comics it says that Ganon’s minions revived him and he obtained the Triforce of Power again from North Castle when he invaded Hyrule with a new army. So this would mean that Ganon’s minions killed Link and the hero’s bloodline of the Hero of Time now has been shattered and no Hero can appear to save Hyrule. Who is to say that the comics idea does not happen after the events AoL based on what the prologue says about the hero not coming to save them in WW. (I highly doubt there has to be a legend that depicts this where you will lose at the end of a game. That would be a bad idea on Nintendo’s part because they could hurt their franchise by making a game where you will lose no matter what.) Thus Ganon would bring his onslaught of evil on Hyrule and the Royal Family would protect the Triforces of Courage and Wisdom by having them split and or hidden so it will be harder for Ganon to retrieve them. Thus when the destined Hero to save them does not appear, Hyrule appeals to the Gods for help and Hyrule is flooded and Hyrule’s civilizations flee to the many mountaintops in Hyrule. Hyrule is sealed away with Ganon. Remember that Link in WW is not of the bloodline of knights (Heroes) from the Hero of Time. So that means that the theory about the bloodline being destroyed some time after AoL co ordinates with the hero not showing up in the WW prologue. It is the only explanation based on previous evidence observed above.

Therefore I truly believe that WW can come after AoL.

I read what you have to say, and unfortunantly I still think you are wrong, the geography of tWW actually does match up with OoT, the castle especially. Take notice how in OoT, Ganon's tower floats over a large crater filled with lava. After Ganon is defeated and Hyrule is restored, it doesn't take much though to beleive that Hyrule castle was built over the ruins of Ganon's tower, just as Ganon had built over the first Hyrule castle. The floating Island dropped, and the lava hardened, also, take notice of the surrounding mountains, which look very much like the surrounding mountains in tWW, when you are under the sea.

tWW under the sea http://www.zeldauniverse.net/gallery...ge.php?pos=-30

ganon's Tower http://www.zeldauniverse.net/games/z5/maps/ganonoot.jpg

Ok, so you bold the text "Crept from the depths of the earth" And then you go on to say that you intereperet it's meaning... I'm sorry, but your intepretation seems a little off. First off, Death mountian, specifically ganon's Hideout, is by no means in the depths of the earth. Lets think about where Ganon's hideout is, death mountian, a mountian, in fact, the entrance is located on the very peak of death mountain itself, so to say that Ganon's hideout is located in the depths of Hyrule is probably wrong. ganon's hideout is in the ground yes, but underground, no.

The picture you have so graciously provided shows only a artists representation of the Hyrule one see's in OoT, a castle in the centre, with death mountain to the right of it. while yes, Alttp does feature the same geography, you must also notice Link riding a horse, there are only 2 games which feature link on horse back, OoT, and OoS/OoA, and according to the geography this picture depicts OoT's hyrule.

Your 3rd source is well, yourself, using yourself as a source usually doesn't make one look all that truthful, now, in that thread we discussed how it is plausible that legends do infact change over time, and now the flow of information is skewed, but now you say that the legends aren't skewed and are actually very well remembered, please be more consistent with your beleifs.

Now, the naming of the towns in AoL, and the names of the sages in OoT is only a matter of the developers actually trying to please their fans, adding easter eggs here and there. I really don't see their being any strong connection between the names of the sages and the names of the villages.

Originally Posted by KoRL

When the Hero of Time was called to embark on another journey (MM occurs) and left the land of Hyrule, he was separated from the elements that made him a hero. It is said that at that time, the Triforce of Courage was split into eight shards and hidden throughout the land.

Originally Posted by LoZ historian

If you read the text closely you will see something that the King of Red Lions does not know and speculates on how, when and where the Triforce of Courage could have been broken right after the Hero of Time left Hyrule.

No, the king speculates nothing, he know exactly when the triforce split up, but where, well, no one knows (sans tingle) it has always been that way, the triforce is very similar to the dragon balls, they split up, and part of the quest is finding out where they have been hidden.

Originally Posted by lozH

In the AoL comics it says that Ganon’s minions revived him and he obtained the Triforce of Power again from North Castle when he invaded Hyrule with a new army. So this would mean that Ganon’s minions killed Link and the hero’s bloodline of the Hero of Time now has been shattered and no Hero can appear to save Hyrule.

I'm sorry, but the comic are by no means a canon source, they were created by valiant comics not nintendo.

Also, you said that you have little speculation, but then you go on to say that the principle means of ressurecting ganon where carried out, link was killed and his blood poured over Ganon's ashes, THAT IS MAJOR SPECULATION, and if that is the only principle means of connecting AoL and TWW, then I'm very sorry.

Ganon has the triforce of power in tWW because he never lost the ToP in OoT.

I'm sorry LoZ Historian, but you have been nitpicking in the wrong places and you have overlooked major details, AoL does not come before tWW.

Originally Posted by vacumgod

I read what you have to say, and unfortunantly I still think you are wrong, the geography of tWW actually does match up with OoT, the castle especially. Take notice how in OoT, Ganon's tower floats over a large crater filled with lava. After Ganon is defeated and Hyrule is restored, it doesn't take much though to beleive that Hyrule castle was built over the ruins of Ganon's tower, just as Ganon had built over the first Hyrule castle. The floating Island dropped, and the lava hardened, also, take notice of the surrounding mountains, which look very much like the surrounding mountains in tWW, when you are under the sea.

Ah, but you speak of the future ending of OoT when the Ganon's Tower fell. In a recent thread in which I know that you have probably kept tabs on, that the OoT future and past events can't co exist in the same timeline, for if you say this about WW just happening after the OoT future ending then WW cant happen because it states refference of MM happening, which only happens after the Oot altered past ending. So I stand by saying that in AoL the only castle that is surrounded by a lake is here and that there are still more mountain ranges in this region of Hyrule to support islands after the great flood than in the regular Hyrule Atlas.

Originally Posted by vacumgod

Ok, so you bold the text "Crept from the depths of the earth" And then you go on to say that you intereperet it's meaning... I'm sorry, but your intepretation seems a little off. First off, Death mountian, specifically ganon's Hideout, is by no means in the depths of the earth. Lets think about where Ganon's hideout is, death mountian, a mountian, in fact, the entrance is located on the very peak of death mountain itself, so to say that Ganon's hideout is located in the depths of Hyrule is probably wrong. ganon's hideout is in the ground yes, but underground, no.

I suppose your right there. But I thought his layer was considered in part of the Underworld.

Originally Posted by vacumgod

The picture you have so graciously provided shows only a artists representation of the Hyrule one see's in OoT, a castle in the centre, with death mountain to the right of it. while yes, Alttp does feature the same geography, you must also notice Link riding a horse, there are only 2 games which feature link on horse back, OoT, and OoS/OoA, and according to the geography this picture depicts OoT's hyrule.

The map is still valid. The castle either way is in the inner perimeter of a lake. And thats not a god reason for you to make the horse comment. That not fair to say that because of the production of the game then couldn't have included horses then. Hyrule in reality could still have horses. I'm not saying in the WW prologue that that is Link from AoL on the horse I'm soley focusing on Ganon's interpretataion of when Ganon could have won by killing of the bloodline of thedestined hero and took over Hyrule when no one was there to stop him. AoL seems to be a good time where he could have been revived based on what his minions were planning to do to revive him. they would have suceeded sooner or later if they kept pursuing Link.

Originally Posted by vacumgod

Your 3rd source is well, yourself, using yourself as a source usually doesn't make one look all that truthful, now, in that thread we discussed how it is plausible that legends do infact change over time, and now the flow of information is skewed, but now you say that the legends aren't skewed and are actually very well remembered, please be more consistent with your beleifs.

Originally Posted by vacumgod

Now, the naming of the towns in AoL, and the names of the sages in OoT is only a matter of the developers actually trying to please their fans, adding easter eggs here and there. I really don't see their being any strong connection between the names of the sages and the names of the villages.

Your just ultimetly trying to destroy the flow of hystory that could flow throughout the legends. YOU believe what you want to beleive here, but mind yourself because you should know by now that my mission here is always to find connections. I may have failed here but don't get to hasty. Lately I have been on fire. I WILL find where WW goes in the timeline relentless. But if I am to do that then I will have to dam speculate either way were it goes because if I put it behind another legend then I'm assuming that Ganon breaks from his stone imprisonment and tries to take over Hyrule. Just hold on and I'll work with you again and we'll try to figure out where it goes. I don't think it comes to soon after OoT because of how TP and ALttP come after it so just wait a minute and keep reading.

Originally Posted by vacumgod

No, the king speculates nothing, he know exactly when the triforce split up, but where, well, no one knows (sans tingle) it has always been that way, the triforce is very similar to the dragon balls, they split up, and part of the quest is finding out where they have been hidden.

Then how do you explain the triforce pieces being charted by the island specificaly. That means that they were hidden after the Great flood.

Originally Posted by vacumgod

I'm sorry, but the comic are by no means a canon source, they were created by valiant comics not nintendo.

Also, you said that you have little speculation, but then you go on to say that the principle means of ressurecting ganon where carried out, link was killed and his blood poured over Ganon's ashes, THAT IS MAJOR SPECULATION, and if that is the only principle means of connecting AoL and TWW, then I'm very sorry.

Ganon has the triforce of power in tWW because he never lost the ToP in OoT.

I'm sorry LoZ Historian, but you have been nitpicking in the wrong places and you have overlooked major details, AoL does not come before tWW.

A fatal error of my calibur. I am sorry to. But you don't have to be so critical. Its almost like your trying to destoy my reputation here as a theorist sometimes, geeze! But we must find a way of how and where WW happens. What about after FSA...

Small sub theory:

I also thought about this possibility since the castles looked alike and how the deku were making preparations for Ganon's black tower. That tower could be Ganon's Tower under the Sea. It's located in the Northwest like in WW under the sea. And since Ganon is sealed under the Four Swords, when he brakes out, the hero's bloodline has died off and he is able to bring an onslaught of evil on the land then. Another geograhical thing I noticed in FSA is that the continent of Hyrule is nothing more than an island now. Also I noticed in WW the same type of shield that was used in the FS eir of legends appears. Although it says it was used by the Hero of Time it is not a literal statement because the statue of Link holds the correct Hylian shield he used as the Hero of Time in OoT. Ok, you remember my thread about the Legendary White Sword don't you vacumgod? If the sword truely weakens and Ganon eventualy escapes like Vaati did, then the Hylians would have to use the Master Sword then to seal his magic intact since the FS has lost its edge. Just a small theory of how it could happen after FSA. What do you think? Needs more facts or less speculation. If this is true then on my timeline then the LoZ and AoL comes after WW. But I was for sure that I heard that WW was the final conclusion to Hyrule somewhere. So I keep thinking it happens towards the end of my timeline.