The True OoT Events Theory: (Concerning The Time Line Loops That May Not Exist)

UPDATE NOTE: Throughout this long drown out thread and great discusion you will find a new sub theory composed by me in POST # 37. Recommended that you read that insted of this one below, unless it is in your intrest. Discussion will continue off of that theory from there on please.

This is my final attempt to prove to you all that OoT did not create two or multiple different timelines. There are some facts in plain solid black and white that are over looked and must be noticed now and observed and that is what I have done here. I am 100% sure that the adult Link ending of OoT cease to exist, totally based on looking at the OoT storyline VERY closely and studying the WW prologue. I have come up with a logical conclusion to how Link is TRUELY known as the Hero of Time for different reasons than what we all have misinterpreted for the last 7+ years since the game has been out. This is what I have discovered:

There is just something that has always been remembered by me from playing the WW. It is that after you leave Hyrule, discovering that Tetra is Zelda, you arise to the surface and the King of Red Lions tells you something concerning The Hero of Time leaving on a personal journey after his deeds were done in Hyrule. Here is the text:

Link, do you know the legend
of the Hero of Time?

Once, long ago, he defeated Ganon and
brought peace to the Kingdom of Hyrule...

A piece of the Triforce was given to the
Hero of Time and he kept it safe, much as
Zelda kept hers.

That sacred piece is known as the
Triforce of Courage.

When the Hero of Time was called to
embark on another journey and left the
land of Hyrule, he was separated from the
elements that made him a hero.

It is said that at that time, the Triforce of
Courage was split into eight shards and
hidden throughout the land.

Even I do not know where they rest, but
this much I do know: they lie hidden
somewhere in this Great Sea.

The Triforce of Courage is the only key that
will once again open the doorway to Hyrule.

You must search for it.
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If that journey the Hero of Time left on was the journey spoken of in the MM prologue that would mean there would be no split time line. In the WW prologue it tells of a young boy, (not an adult) a YOUNG boy, which came as if from nowhere and defeated the evil that threatened the land. The scene depicts Link as a child that defeats Ganon. So this would mean that the Hylians recorded Link as the Hero of Time being a child. This would also mean that Link found a way to use the Master Sword without becoming dormant until he was older. He must of some how defeated Ganon as a young boy based on this crucial evidence stated in the WW prologue here:

This is but one of the legends of which the
people speak...

Long ago, there existed a kingdom where
a golden power lay hidden.

It was a prosperous land blessed with green
forests, tall mountains, and peace.

But one day a man of great evil found the
golden power and took it for himself...

With its strength at his command, he
spread darkness across the kingdom.

But then, when all hope had died, and the
hour of doom seemed at hand...

...a young boy clothed in green appeared
as if from nowhere.

Wielding the blade of evil's bane, he sealed
the dark one away and gave the land light.

This boy, who traveled through time to save
the land, was known as the Hero of Time.

The boy's tale was passed down through
generations until it became legend...

Here is what I believe really happened in the legend of OoT that lead up to its present lore stated in WW.

In OoT, remember the original plan that Zelda had with Link before Ganondorf invaded the Sacred Realm? The plan was to stop him before he obtained the Triforce. Yet he ended up fulfilling his plan and when he touched the Triforce the pieces separated and ended up in those chosen by destiny. After Link defeated Ganon in the future he realized all the pain and suffering that Hyrule dealt with due to the quick choices he made in the past. In part Zelda felt the same way about her decisions in the past. Link was sent back in time. Link noticed he still possessed the Triforce of Courage and that must have meant that Zelda from the Future sent Link back at the time when Ganondorf had touched the Triforce and the pieces separated already into those chosen by destiny. (Keep in mind that Link still possessed the Ocarina of Time because he never gave it away until in the future. Much like how you can never lose any of the items you acquire in MM whenever you go back in time. You never lose them because you obtained them in the future and never lost or gave them away in the past. So that’s why Link still has the ocarina in his possession when he is sent back by Zelda in the future.)

Link, realizes what has happened and goes to see Zelda. (Also keep in mind that Zelda did go back to Hyrule Castle after she lost Ganondorf with Impa. What proves this is that she telepathically talked to you from the Temple of Time after the fact that she just left Hyrule Castle. She must have some how went back into Hyrule Castle Town another way. Zelda anyway realized that she had to go back to warn her father that Ganondorf had deceived them and would try to entered the Sacred Realm very soon. In a rush from the Temple of Time - (after talking to Link telepathically) to Hyrule Castle, Zelda told a soldier to relay a message to Link if he had received the Ocarina of Time to go to the Temple of Time. Link (from the past) had gone and pulled the Master Sword and Ganondorf and his men invaded the Sacred Realm. At that very moment Zelda realized it was to late and Link had been sealed away. Zelda took refuge back to the castle worried that Ganondorf would take over Hyrule. At the same time Link returned from the future bearing the Triforce of Courage.)

NOTE: Usually whenever Link would return from the future by putting the Master Sword in the pedestal he would return at the time in the past when Ganondorf was still invading the Sacred Realm trying to obtain the Triforce – What currently happen after Link was sealed away. Most interestingly you never could go into the courtyard where Zelda was in the Castle because guards were there in the way protecting the path. There was a reason for that because Link is only supposes to be able to visit Zelda from the future after he has discovered he holds the Triforce of Courage later on in the future.

Link manages to get past all the guards and sneak into Hyrule Castle to find Zelda. She is shocked to see him because she thought he was sealed away in the Temple of Time. (Why else would she be so shocked anyway?) Link tells here what the future will be if they don’t do something now to stop Ganondorf. Zelda and Link carry out there original plan, but a little altered due to the circumstances at hand. Link and Zelda go to the Temple of Time as planned before and enter the Chamber of Sages. They meet Raurul. Link and/or Zelda must have relayed the situation at hand and Raurul convinced himself that Link could be the Hero of Time with the experience he had previously in the dark future foretold by them. (Link obtains the Master Sword) Rauru the ancient sage tells them what has happened to the Triforce and what they must do in order to stop Ganondorf. Link knows he must awaken the power of the sages in order to seal him away like he did before in the future. (Also keep in mind that the temples around Hyrule have not been radiated by Ganondorf’s evil yet so Raurul can initiate the awakening call for the sages at this time). Link awakens the sages with Zelda and Rauru’s help with a lot more ease than he had to do in the dark future of Hyrule. Ganondorf at some point exits out of the Sacred Realm and attacks Hyrule Castle on queue. Now a young boy as if from nowhere (Link) appears taking Ganondorf by surprise and destroys him with the Sword of Evil’s Bane, sealing the evil incarnation in the void of the evil realm. Thus erasing the dark future of Ganondorf’s seven-year rule as the Evil King. Now Link is known as The Hero of Time because he is a hero that truly traveled through time forward and back again to save Hyrule from an evil future in time.

Now that Link is truly known as the Hero of Time by all of Hyrule in his time as a young child, like depicted in the WW prologue, Link then goes on his personal journey that ends up in Termina. (Zelda allows him to have the ocarina of time as a gift.) All is recorded up to date correctly as stated in the WW prologue and what the King of Red Lions said about the Hero of Time leaving Hyrule and the Triforce of courage being split into eight shards, makes perfect since now.

Therefore and furthermore OoT does not really have to endings if the WW prologue is correct. If Link became the Hero of Time as a young boy in his time, then the futures we know afterwards cease to exist in multiple timelines. This theory would also prove the ALttP prologue to be finally correct in co ordinance with the Imprisoning War happening and the sages being ordered by the King of Hyrule to seal Ganon away after the great battle for Hyrule at Hyrule Castle. (Hyrule Castle would of coarse still existed and the King of Hyrule would also still exist if Ganondorf did not take over yet. Duh.)

Thank you all for reading this theory of mine. I hope this has enlightened at least some of you. “My mind is personally exhausted.” I hope you could have followed my messages I relayed out about the (other) events of OoT failed to be mentioned and fixed by Nintendo, in my personal opinion. Hopefully most of you can see that these theories could cover up a mass majority of loop wholes that the OoT storyline mislead us to believe in multiple time lines. If this theory is more than 75% wrong then the WW prologue is wrong and so is Hyrule for naming a hero that has not become a hero yet by doing things that have not yet come to pass. Thank you.

That took so long to read! It was elaborate, to say the least. I still think that the WW prologue you have placed could speak of LttP. Wait... he wore red, not green. Ignore last statement. Every theory has an exception, and yet yours may become one of those perfect ones, like Pythagoean Theorem.

The concept of time is one of those things that are hard to explain. Thet me explain the circumstances that happen after OoT in the universal aspect of how time altering works. Here is what will happen if the MM, and WW prologue are corect about The Hero of Time being a young boy but not an adult.

Alright we have Link that becomes the Hero of Time as a child and then MM happens afterwards. Being that there were two timelines that are comonly reffering to, the two different endings of OoT. Adult and child Link endings. By what is concluded above in my theory about what the King of Red Lions said, WW would come AFTER MM. So that means the WW and MM prologue about the Hero of Time being a young boy in fact is true. So what happens to the adult Link ending in OoT? It cease to exist. Here is why:

If you go back in time and you alter something, it will drasticaly change the future. Link in this case must have decided to set things right for Hyrule when he was sent back from the future. In order to become The Hero of Time he had to do what he did in the future (not exactly all over again) but in his time, the past. Thus Link would carry out the deed of awakening the sages and sealing Ganon away and becoming Hyrule's Legendary Hero of Time. Giving him that title as a child as stated in the MM prologue afterwards, it has to all add up now. In concluesion, by altering the past, Link made Hyrule's dark future cease to exist because Ganondorf was at one point sealed away earlier. Although Ganondorf was still Known as the Evil King being that he had the Triforce of Power, his seven year rein was shortened luckily by a young lad in green that came from out of nowhere. From the future...

Oh, I see. So at first Link made some mistakes as a child and grew to be an adult (via Sacred Realm) and defeated Ganondorf. But then he wanted to correct his mistakes and went back in time and finished defeating Ganondorf as a child so Hyrule wouldn't have to endure 7 more years of darkness.

Good job, this is one of the few theories that actually makes sense. It would explain a lot (like how adult Link isn't The Hero of Time in tWW and the "personal journey" [being MM] described in tWW) in WW aswell. Good find!

So this would mean that the Hylians recorded Link as the Hero of Time being a child.

But then how do you explain the statue of an adult Link in Hyrule Castle?

This would also mean that Link found a way to use the Master Sword without becoming dormant until he was older.

Big assumption there.

This boy, who traveled through time to save
the land, was known as the Hero of Time.

Contradiction! Rauru says:

"Only one worthy of the title of "Hero of Time" can pull it from the Pedestal of Time....
However, you were too young to be the Hero of Time...
Therefore, your spirit was sealed here for seven years."

What proves this is that she telepathically talked to you from the Temple of Time after the fact that she just left Hyrule Castle.

How is that proof of anything? There is nothing that says she can't talk telepathically from outside of the castle.

Link and/or Zelda must have relayed the situation at hand and Raurul convinced himself that Link could be the Hero of Time with the experience he had previously in the dark future foretold by them.

Up until this point your explanation, though long-winded and way more detailed then it needs to be, is more or less sound. But now you're assuming that Rauru controlled the magic that made Link sleep for seven years. Is there any evidence to support that? All the magic and spells involving time, time travel, and the Hero of Time are bound up in the Pedestal of Time. There doesn't seem to be anything to suggest that Rauru can alter this.

Ganondorf at some point exits out of the Sacred Realm and attacks Hyrule Castle on queue. Now a young boy as if from nowhere (Link) appears taking Ganondorf by surprise and destroys him with the Sword of Evil’s Bane, sealing the evil incarnation in the void of the evil realm. Thus erasing the dark future of Ganondorf’s seven-year rule as the Evil King.

Even if we ignore several these assumptions and problems with your theory, this does not disprove the multi-timeline theory at all. It merely shows that the future of OoT never happened in the same timeline as the Wind Waker. The question still remains: did the future get erased, or did it continue on in it's own dimension? That is the basic premise of the multi-timeline theory.


This is actually one of the best thought-out ideas I've seen in years, and you manage to keep the number of assumptions very low, something most people don't seem to grasp.

And for the record, I don't really hold to the multi-timeline theory; I think it's a foolish idea.

The point of this whole post is to show that paying too much attention to small details is impossible. Every single theory, no matter how well thought out it is or how well it works, will have numerous flaws if you decide that you must incorporate every single little occurence and have them all fit perfectly.

Theorizing about this stuff is only possible if you give yourself a little flexibility, and accept the fact that there will always be flaws and inconsistencies. And the more games and information you add to the mix, the more of these small flaws there will be.

Originally Posted by lord-of-shadow

But then how do you explain the statue of an adult Link in Hyrule Castle?

I do not look at that statue as adult Link. Just because it is big in appearance, its scale could be mismeasused by just looking at it in a literal sinc, doesn't mean that is is a statue of adult Link.

Originally Posted by lord-of-shadow

How is that proof of anything? There is nothing that says she can't talk telepathically from outside of the castle.

Yes, but in the cut scene it shows zelda in the Temple of Time after she just left Hyrule Castle Town. Whos to say she did not loose Ganondorf in the chase and go back to Hyrule Castle. When you try to see Zelda after these events Gaurds are in the way to the courtyard. Why? because they want to protect Zelda after what Ganondorf did. And technically you are not supose to see zelda until you return from the future by Zelda.

Originally Posted by lord-of-shadow

Up until this point your explanation, though long-winded and way more detailed then it needs to be, is more or less sound. But now you're assuming that Rauru controlled the magic that made Link sleep for seven years. Is there any evidence to support that? All the magic and spells involving time, time travel, and the Hero of Time are bound up in the Pedestal of Time. There doesn't seem to be anything to suggest that Rauru can alter this.

There was but one assumption I had to make and that was that since Rauru was a sage of the Temple of Light where Link was sealed in dormany in the Chamber of Sages, I figured Rauru had control of this. But in my theory I brought to the conclusion that in order for Link to Become the Hero of Time as a child, like said in the WW prologue, Zelda knowing the future yet to come would carry out her original plan and enter the Sacred Realm after Link. Then maybe Rauru could have been convinved to use his powers to let Link use the Master Sword without going dormant for seven years.

Originally Posted by lord-of-shadow

Even if we ignore several these assumptions and problems with your theory, this does not disprove the multi-timeline theory at all. It merely shows that the future of OoT never happened in the same timeline as the Wind Waker. The question still remains: did the future get erased, or did it continue on in it's own dimension? That is the basic premise of the multi-timeline theory.

What are you talking about?! Of coarse it disproves the multi timeline theories. Haven't you even examined it? My theory solely Erases one of the OoT endings due to the fact that what the WW prologue says about Link. OoT does not have two different endings. Just one. If it says a young boy defeated Ganon and sealed him away that means the future of Hyrule was altered due to the fact Ganon would have never ruled for seven years! If I'm wrng then the WW prologue is messed up. Read my comment again above this post. The one about how Link altered time in the future by becoming the Hero of Time as a child. Did you already read it? (Post #3)

Originally Posted by lord-of-shadow

This is actually one of the best thought-out ideas I've seen in years, and you manage to keep the number of assumptions very low, something most people don't seem to grasp.

Thankyou.

Originally Posted by lord-of-shadow

And for the record, I don't really hold to the multi-timeline theory; I think it's a foolish idea.

Then why attack this theory if it is plausible...

Originally Posted by lord-of-shadow

The point of this whole post is to show that paying too much attention to small details is impossible. Every single theory, no matter how well thought out it is or how well it works, will have numerous flaws if you decide that you must incorporate every single little occurence and have them all fit perfectly.

Then I will work harder and make my theories as thourough than never before!

Originally Posted by lord-of-shadow

Theorizing about this stuff is only possible if you give yourself a little flexibility, and accept the fact that there will always be flaws and inconsistencies. And the more games and information you add to the mix, the more of these small flaws there will be.

Perfect. I will try to be more flexible, but for now I still think I made a crucial break through in this theory.

Wow!
Great stuff! ^_^

What are you talking about?! Of coarse it disproves the multi timeline theories. Haven't you even examined it? My theory solely Erases one of the OoT endings due to the fact that what the WW prologue says about Link. OoT does not have two different endings. Just one. If it says a young boy defeated Ganon and sealed him away that means the future of Hyrule was altered due to the fact Ganon would have never ruled for seven years! If I'm wrng then the WW prologue is messed up. Read my comment again above this post. The one about how Link altered time in the future by becoming the Hero of Time as a child. Did you already read it? (Post #3)

Your problem is that you don't grasp the basic concept of the multi-timeline theory. Nothing you've said here disproves it; what you've laid out merely shows that tWW happens in a timeline where the Future half of OoT didn't happen. That doesn't mean that the future half of OoT was erased, necessarily; it could just as easily have continued as a seperate dimension.

Then why attack this theory if it is plausible...

I attack inconsistencies and problems wherever I see them. I'm not going to ignore a problem with someone's theory just because pointing it out undermines my own ideas in a timeline. You can only fix flaws if you acknowledge their existence, after all.

Originally Posted by lord-of-shadow

Your problem is that you don't grasp the basic concept of the multi-timeline theory. Nothing you've said here disproves it; what you've laid out merely shows that tWW happens in a timeline where the Future half of OoT didn't happen. That doesn't mean that the future half of OoT was erased, necessarily; it could just as easily have continued as a seperate dimension.

But I'm talking on the concept of only one timeline. Not any other parallel timelines or dimensions (Which I find ridiculous also. Except for in MM). The future ending of OoT does not exist for the mere fact that Link altered the past in his time by becoming the Hero of Time earlier and sealing Ganon away as said in the WW prologue. If Link altered the past in that sence so the future we know at the end of OoT did not happen, then it would not exist at all due to the circumstances. Things can not exist unless they have not come to pass. don't you realize?

Didn't you read my post #3 like I inquired earlier. It perfectly states my theory on how time altering works universely.

What proves this is that she telepathically talked to you from the Temple of Time after the fact that she just left Hyrule Castle.

I always viewed this that she left a telepathic message with the Ocarina of Time and was triggered once Link touched it. Remember, it's description said that it glowed with a strange aura. Also in the message, Zelda says that when he gets it, she will already be gone.

Besides, you recieve that message once she leaves Hyrule Castle Town and there would be no time for her to get back to the castle.


Also, there are two Time theories.

One being linear. Which means something that you affect in the past plays out in the future even though you don't yet know what it is. For example, the windmill in Kakariko. You learn you do something that affected it in the past, but you haven't yet done it in the past.

The other is alternative. Which something that isn't known yet. Such as, if I were to put a glass of water on a table and then travel ten minutes into the future the glass will still be there fully. Yet, if I go back in time and tip the glass over and then go back ten minutes into the future, the glass will be tipped over.

Though the linear theory washes over the alternative one due to the whole windmill senario.

Okay, here's what I think happened. Obviously, the scroll at the beginning of Wind Waker was made after Hyrule flooded, so I think that the legend of the Hero of Time was distorted. The reason we see Link in the courtyard of Hyrule Castle is because he is there to tell Zelda that everything she had predicted had come true. They go to tell the King, who believes them, as he doesn't think that his daughter would find some peasant boy (I know you'll hate me for saying that.) just to pull a prank on him. After investigating Ganondorf, the King finds him guilty of planning treason. Doing as Zelda and Link said, he has the Seven Wise Men seal Ganondorf away, but not without a great battle. Ganondorf's minions and servants attack the castle and try to free him before he's sealed away, but they fail. Ganondorf is sealed away, just like at the end of Ocarina of Time. Hm... Okay, so this could lead to a dual timeline, but the two of them are very similar to each other. Ganondorf is sealed away in both of them, but they branch off to different games. The one where there is a battle between Ganon's minions and the Knights of Hyrule leads into the Four Swords games and ALttP, and the one where Link and the Sages seal Ganon away leads into Wind Waker. I'm not quite sure which one will have Twilight Princess, though. Now, I'm not really a fan of multiple timeline theories, but it's something to think about. My computer was acting up, so this is the third version of it, which is rather close to the second but with a lot more flaws. The first one was going to propose three theories of mine, but as I said, my computer messed up. Well, this winter break I'll go back and play all of my Zelda games and work on a solid timeline, and I'll post it when it's done. Might not play FSA though, that game takes too long.

This is getting ridiculous.

No, you just misread my entire post. It was meant to help you and point certain things out to you.

What you said still doesn't change anything.

It wasn't meant to change anything. Just to correct some misunderstandings.

I personaly think that if someone telepathicaly talks to you it at the very place right there and then where there relaying the message to you. You make the OoT seem more like a note or telegrahm that Link reads.

Which it was and implied in the game. This is just a matter of perspective. You viewed it one way and I another. However, the hints lead to the contrary. If she were at the Temple of Time, then why wasn't she there when you entered it?

Yes, there would be time because as I've said before, Link comes back from the future and meets here at the castle! I'm tired of repeating myself. Link had to be sent back at the time when Ganondorf touched the Triforce. Why else is Zelda shocked to see him. He's suppose to be sealed away!

You totally misread what I said. Let me break it down for you.

• Impa and Zelda escape from Hyrule Castle Town.
• You encounter Ganondorf and he continues on his look for the two.
• You recieve the Ocarina of Time and the telepathic message attached to it.
• You go to the Temple of Time and then open the Door of Time.

There is no time between the first said event for her to be at the Temple of Time for the message said in the third event.

I don't really get what your saying.

What I'm saying is that the creators were leaning towards the more linear look at time travel. From A to B to C. Not A to B1 then back to A causing B2 where B1 is still active

But your assuming that the OoT ending future still goes on after the past events have altered it not to happen or be recorded!

I never said that. You are assuming that I'm going against your theory, which I am not. I am trying to support it, however if you'd like to do without... Also, don't try to tell me what assumptions I am making when I have made none.

Were talking about one universal time alteration here.

You might want to strike this as a comment. In saying alteration, you accept that there are more than one time fabrics.

There is only ONE time dimension at the time Link has to alter the past, thus preventing a future from happening!

Which the linear time theory supports. Why are you fighting what is supporting you?

That future can not exist if the events made for it to happen in the past, have not come to pass.

Ah, you just pointed out a contradiction in your theory then. The windmill in the game. You are to make it spin faster as a child to get to the bottom of the well, however you learn the song as an adult to do so. So, if it never came to pass then you shouldn't of learned the song as an adult.

Originally Posted by Master of ALttP

Okay, here's what I think happened. Obviously, the scroll at the beginning of Wind Waker was made after Hyrule flooded, so I think that the legend of the Hero of Time was distorted. The reason we see Link in the courtyard of Hyrule Castle is because he is there to tell Zelda that everything she had predicted had come true. They go to tell the King, who believes them, as he doesn't think that his daughter would find some peasant boy (I know you'll hate me for saying that.) just to pull a prank on him. After investigating Ganondorf, the King finds him guilty of planning treason. Doing as Zelda and Link said, he has the Seven Wise Men seal Ganondorf away, but not without a great battle. Ganondorf's minions and servants attack the castle and try to free him before he's sealed away, but they fail. Ganondorf is sealed away, just like at the end of Ocarina of Time. Hm... Okay, so this could lead to a dual timeline, but the two of them are very similar to each other. Ganondorf is sealed away in both of them, but they branch off to different games. The one where there is a battle between Ganon's minions and the Knights of Hyrule leads into the Four Swords games and ALttP, and the one where Link and the Sages seal Ganon away leads into Wind Waker. I'm not quite sure which one will have Twilight Princess, though. Now, I'm not really a fan of multiple timeline theories, but it's something to think about. My computer was acting up, so this is the third version of it, which is rather close to the second but with a lot more flaws. The first one was going to propose three theories of mine, but as I said, my computer messed up. Well, this winter break I'll go back and play all of my Zelda games and work on a solid timeline, and I'll post it when it's done. Might not play FSA though, that game takes too long.

First off, FSA can not come before ALttP because at the end of FSA Ganon is sealed away in the shrine of the Four Swords. Being that in ALttP Ganon is sealed away in the Dark Word/Evil Realm at the end of OoT. So therefor the ending of FSA does not corespond with the events of ALttP. You need to examin the storylines more carefully. You obviously did not read my theory closley about the part of the WW prologue depicting young Link defeating Ganon.