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Well, Its been some time since anyone has heard from me and yeah I'm still around but I guess I should tell someone who cares! lol!!! Now to a more serious note and on to my discoveries and theories in this thread...

*I'm not sure if their is a recent thread on this topic but I have not found it, and well, I think it needs to be noticed again for further discussion.

First off I am a big believer that when it comes to Zelda legend and lore everything is about symbolism. I believe there is sometimes deep meening to Zelda plots that are overlooked sometimes. Endings are beginings. That is what I believe in.

I recently just finished beating both OoS and OoA and also the MC just to refresh my memory of the games. Here are a number of things I found interesting:

1. In the intro scene of the OoA series you see Link riding his horse along a shore. (which I believe to be a lake shore, but I'll explain later.) Link then stops his horse on a cliff overlooking a castle that looks like Hyrule Castle from OoT. Well for one thing I do not believe that is that particular castle from that age because it is surrounded by vast forrest, unlike the castle in OoT. I strongly feel that that this is none other than North Castle. The reason I say this, is because of how the castle was depicted surrounded by forests and how there is a long lake coast stretch leading up to North Castle. Now its hard to visualize this but if you take a look at the choppy graphical Atlas of AoL here at ZU you can see that North Castle sets in the middle of a lake situated on the end of a penninsula!

2. The Triforce sets in North castle as it once sat some time before the events leading up to the very first LoZ. But thats besides the point! The Triforce was obviously in the castle at the beginning of the Oracle series! Where and when was it when the Triforce was once in the Royal Families possession at the end of what LoZ??? ALttP! At the end of ALttP Link was the new possesor of the Triforce. But it was said that the hero had placed the Triforce in the care of the Royal Family as he ventured on a journey of enlightenment away from Hyrule. Or was he called for the journey... I find it interesting that in the prologue of LA states Link left Hyrule in order to gain wisdom for the next threat to his homeland. But after LA some people believe he never made it back home. There's no evidence saying he did or did not though, so no one can be sure. I tend to believe he did because how else would we know the legend if he was the only person to realy physicaly experience it.

3. Towards the end of both either or OoS/OoA games Twinrova (Komu & Kotake) swear up and down throughout the game about reviving Ganon from the Evil Realm. Now correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the word REVIVE mean to bring back to life. Well what I'm getting at is that at the end of ALttP Ganon was defeated/killed in the Evil Realm/Dark World. Wouldn't it be safe to say that the Oracle Legends come after ALttP based on this evidence?! This does NOT mean it came right after OoT and MM because Ganondorf was still alive when he was put in the Evil Realm at that time! Not dead! But Twinrova had Ganon revived in the Temple of Rights. Where is this suppose to be located??? Is this the same temple in FSA where the Trident of Power laid? Also Note that Ganon did fight with a trident in ALttP and in the final battle in the Oracle games.

4. After defeating Ganon and after the credits we see Link sailing off away from Holodrum and/or Labrynna. Sailing??? I remember as Link was coming home to Hyrule in the intro. of LA and he was ship recked onto Koholint Island was he not? Could LA come after the Oracle Series? I think theirs a good chance since Link at the ending of one game depicts the beginning of another sailing a boat home. But LA officialy comes after ALttP and I believe he comes home so LA has to come before the Oracle legends.

5. Also after that scene in the statement above, the Triforce is shone splitting in the sky where it once was whole in North Castle. What could this mean??? The Triforce only splits up like that if someone has touched it or has separated them through magic. I remember that the Triforce was purposly split up in the LoZ so that Ganon could not get the other Triforce parts when he was envading Hyrule. Although Ganon was defeated in OoS/OoA their is a mystery of how he could have been revived after Twinrova's failed atempt. I know in the AoL Impa told Link the LoZ and how the King split up the triforce to protect it from getting into the wrong hands. So the scene at the ending of one of the oracle games may depict these events based on the Triforce separating in the end.

6. Even more interestingly in the MC the Oracles Din, Nayru, and Farore are staying at the Hyrule Inn in the town! They say they have recently come to Hyrule to settle down in their lives after a long trip! Now wouldn't you say that maybe, just maybe the MC cap takes place after the Oracle Series! After all. The goal was to bring them to Hyrule in the first place.

Now what I have concluded from observing these discoveries is that the Link we see in ALttP, OoS/OoA, and LA are the same Link. However some of would say that this is wrong because the Link from ALttP and LA look different than the one in the Oracle games. But before any of you say that, please don't look just at the art but the similar atire they wear. The only diference is that the Link from ALttP and LA don't wear white tights and the Link from the Oracle series looks a little more anime compared to the other Link. (Bigger eyes for one thing, but thats all.) They are similar. And they even carry the same shield throughout ALttP, OoS/OoA, and LA.

As for Link in the MC I really don't know if he's related to the other Link. But him and Zelda seem to know each other very well and seem to be great friends. Almost as if they've been through alot together already. I don't feel comfortable stating anything about him but I do find it weird that Link, unlike other Links in the LoZ, is a close friend to Zelda.

In conclusion my intentions of this thread was not to make a timeline but to state some of my dicoveries and interlock the endings of one legend to another beginning of one to try to make sence of things. Please list or counter some of these things I missed that were important that I left out. Those references I may have missed HAVE to be stated. But I am confident in stating an order of these legends I have wrote about.

ALttP, LA, OoS/OoA, TMC, FS, FSA, LoZ, & AoL

Update: I am fully convinced that the LoZ and AoL come after FSA based on some dicoveries in other threads of mine. LoZ and AoL happens after FSA based on a recent theory I made called "The Legendary White Sword" You can find it in the General Zelda Forum here: The Legendary White Sword

Now for OoT, MM, TP, and WW I'll leave out for now because their are one to many loop wholes. But until TP, it may straighten things up from OoT to WW, hopefully...

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Old 08-22-2005, 04:37 PM
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This is a very good theory and i have kind of been thinking the same thing myself, the only thing is, that in my personal opinion all the four swords series occur before anything else, therefore Ganon is first seen in FSA, but if yout theory is correct it means that Ganon was actually first seen in between TMC and the first FS game which i don't feel right because in FSA no-one has heard of Ganon, only Ganondorf and when he turns evil every-one seems so shocked (because imo this has never happened before) Also the triforce isn't what gives Ganon his power in FSA it's the trident, In FSA it is apparently when Ganon first gets the trident and because TMC occurs before FSA and you're saying that Ganon had the trident even before TMC it doesn't really make sense.
But then again if your theory is correct and your timeline is correct then it would explain how Ganon has the trident in all those games...

you must have put alot of effort into this and i congratulate you good job keep up the good work!
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Old 08-22-2005, 05:03 PM
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Thankyou for the compliment! But I do not believe TMC, FS, and FSA come before anything else. The reason is is that in the very first LoZ Link wields the powerful WHITE SWORD for the very first time against Ganon's army. The Piccori Blade is what the Hylians commonly called the White Sword if you remember. It was said that this blade was given to the hero of men at the time of one of Hyrules darkests hours in TMC prologue. The last darkest hour in which that specific blade was used was in the LoZ. Therefor the LoZ along with the AoL predates the FS series of legend.
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Old 08-23-2005, 01:35 AM
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Hmm that's interesting however im nearly sure that Shigeru once said that the legend of the four sword was the 'oldest' legend although i believe there was some confusion over this.
In FSA as i said, it appears to be the first time Ganon gets the trident, as he steals it from the great pyramid, but then again i have tried to come to terms with who made it and put it there in the first place, i even made a thread, Ganon's Trident...The Triforce of power? (Possible spoilers)
trying to work this out.
Your theory is becoming more and more believable and im thinking maybe the one who left the trident there was in fact the old Ganon, maybe it was the same one he once used waiting for some-one to find it...
inscribed next to the tridents 'pedastal' is:
… … …
Seek …you…the world?
Seek you…power?

Does your…soul…despise
Peace and… thirst for…
More?

Does you soul…cry…
For…destruction and…
Conquest?

We…grant you… power to
… ruin…the world. The
power of…darkness.

Evil… spirit of
Magic trident.

You are…the…
King of Darkness.

This was obviously written by some-one evil and my theory in my other thread was that it may in fact be Din (long story) however maybe it was written by the king of darkness himself...
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Old 08-23-2005, 02:59 PM
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I read your thread and it is a good theory but I do not recall Shigeru ever saying it was the "oldest" of the Zelda legends and lore. Where did you here that??? Actually Why would he say that if he has already said that OoT was the very first LoZ. The reason I feel the FS series of legends comes later is because of where Hyrule Castle is situated in the center of Hyrule as it appears in the center of the Great Sea in WW. Also note that the "dark tower" Ganon's Tower is situated in the Northwest in FSA where it is placed directally under the Great Sea in WW. Therefor I believe WW would come after FSA. Even the deku scrubs that were building the his tower were building it for his return if you remember one of them saying that during your quest. But yes Ganon was defeated at the end of FSA but I believe he "springed a new life into himself with the trident. I believe in your thread you felt this trident had the emboidenment of the Triforce of Power did you not? It is possible. Why? Because Ganon/dorf has always gone after one paticular object in all Zelda games. The Triforce. Why would Ganon waist his time on going after a object that is of less power unless it had something to deal with obtaining a piece of the Triforce or the whole thing?

I have a theory I believe about Ganon and why he keeps coming back. This may explain why Ganon had the Trident of Power in ALttP and in OoS/OoA.

Remember when Ganon was defeated in OoT? When he was defeated as his alternative, Ganon, he turned back to his human form. He was sent to the Evil Realm/Dark World in which he returned back to his Ganon form because the realm reflects what is in ones heart. In ALttP Ganon was defeated in the Evil Realm and he was completly destroyed because he could not spring a new life as a human in a realm that reflects his heart already. The Trident of Power was a mighty weapon he created, that laid in the realm after his defeat until he was brought back with it in the Temple of Rights. Ganon's restless spirit still roamed the realm waiting to be revived. In the Oracle series he was revived by Twinrova in the Temple of Rights from the realm. (which I believe to be the temple in FSA.) But their was a difference. Since Zelda could not be sacrificed in time Ganon came back in a restless, raging, senseless monster that was not at full power and memory he once had. So he was defeated in the Temple of Rights in the "Hyrule World" along with the Trident of Power laying in his ashes. And his spirit roamed in Hyrule waiting to be revived. In the LoZ Ganon returns with an army because his followers revived him by the blood of the Hero. Which Hero? It is unknown. But according to my theory it would have been from the bloodshed of Link in the last battle in the Temple of Rights. Ganon is defeated way down in his layer in the depths of the earth of Death Mountain. Although Ganon had the Triforce of Power he stold from North Castle, Link had the Triforce of Wisdom and brought the Triforce of Power out of Ganons body at his defeat, just like Ganondorf in WW pulled the Triforces out of Zelda and Link at there dismay. Therefor since Link took the Triforce away from Ganon, Ganon could not transform back to his human form like he did at the end of OoT. Ganons spirit remains roaming Hyrule yet again until he is revived in FSA. Now How the Triforce of Power was infused into the Trident of Power is beyond my knowledge but all I know is that after LoZ and AoL when Link wished for Zelda to awake from her eternal slumber is that the Triforce broke apart after that and the whereabouts of the Triforce were unknown from there on, so whether you or other people wan't to speculate on that someone found then infused the Triforce of Power with the Trident of Power, can decide on a theory on how that happened. But I doubt there is any factual references that support that idea so lets say it happened. Why? Because when you defeated Ganon in FSA he was in the "Hyrule World" when you did it he had the Trident of Power/Triforce of Power and he sparked his new life back as a human as he did in OoT with the Triforce of Power. Thus the events of a hero not appearing sometime after FSA led to the flooding of Hyrule in FSA. Also this is very important to notice but do you relize while your looking at the FSA atlas of Hyrule that Hyrule is a island now rather than a huge continent where Catalina, Holodrum, and Labrynna once was on is not sown. What I mean is is that there is nothing more than water around Hyrule where we have usually seen lands and mountains go further back and around the main country of Hyrule. You know what I mean?!

In FSA people forgot about Ganon and acted very surprised when they heard of his return because they thought he was destroyed long ago. Either that or they forgot the threats of Ganon sence he was destroyed. Which that makes the Hylians very ignorant to the fact that Ganon always has some way of returning.

This is why this has led me to believe the order goes like this now:

ALttP, OoS/OoA, LA, LoZ, AoL, TMC, FS, FSA, (WW) - May be on a different time line depended on the outcome of TP storyline plot. Who knows...

Note that I believe WW is the final conclusion to Hyrule and I believe it is the last legend. But until TP comes out we will not know for shure. Yes I know TP comes a few decades after OoT but may explain a little bit more on the events leading up to ALttP or WW. OoT & MM could come before ALttP but WW screws that up a little. Though WW cames MANY, MANY centuries after OoT I for one believe that according to my theory the WW could come to the very last legend. My reason is that the Link from OoT is the only link to ever be given an official title "Hero of Time" besides Link in WW, but there is the Hero of Ages/Seasons also. See how I see things is that after time goes on for a LONG while the people of Hyrule forget great legends as another one is revieled and the former legend is forgotten. Make since? Its like when you get a new game all you think about and focus on is beating that game and you ignore your other games for a time until you get another and another. So being that there is many legends of Zelda, wouldn't it be easy for the hylians to forget some of the detail of the legend and lore of old? Following up to the WW for instance. No one knows of The Hero of Time because so many things and events have happened in those centuries between OoT and WW that it is hard for Hylian Scholars to keep track of all the history even yet preach it to the people. So I believe that the Hero of Time was only recognized and not forgotten by few people as the centuries passed on and only a small civilization on an island were left of its knowledge. Now as for people thinking that the Hero of Time would return to save them in their hour of doom as depicted in the prologue in WW, I believe since the knowledge of the Hero of Time title was confused with that he could travel through time to battle evil and they thought he could travel to their time to save them when no hero was around. ( I think I'll make a thread on this last statement...lol!)

Think about all of this for moment and tell me how you feel now.

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Old 08-24-2005, 02:12 AM
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Good work! i almost 100% agree with your theory now :p

There are only a few thing i can see that don't make much sense...
First, the Gannondorf in FSA is a completely new Ganon we are even told about him growing up in the Gerudo village level in FSA

Also the trident of power was layed to rest in the great pyramid remember,
now wouldn't it make much more sense that Ganon's trident in Alttp was just a regular weapon, however he did have the triforce of power at this time.
In Alttp just a second before Ganon is defeated he infused the triforce of power within the trident knowing that his minions would find it and keep it somewhere safe awaiting the next king of Darkness.

Note that in Alttp you fight Ganon in a Pyramid where is the trident found in FSA? a Pyramid. So wouldn't it be logical that the Ganon in Alttp did die (in both light and dark worlds) forever?

His trident was found by his loyalists and laid to rest within the same pyramid he was killed in, with that inscription i mentioned earlier resting next to where his followers put it.

If this is true then Ganon must have known all along that another King of darkness was to come, maybe he knew that he would one day be reborn and all he'd have to do is pick up the trident once more and he would have all the power he ever had...
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Re: Interesting Discoveries: Mysterious Beginings & Endings

It looks like you've put a lot of work into it. But right now I can't say much because I've never played either of the Oracles, and I haven't played LoZ, AoL, and I haven't beaten tMC yet. But FS is in there? Isn't FS just a gameboy version of ALttP with multiplayer? Meh, I'm probably wrong, but that's what I thought it was. I'm thoroughly confused now. I can't talk because I haven't played any of the Oracles yet. Oh well.

And my major opinion is the 2D Zelda games and the 3D Zelda games are two entirley different stores and timelines. I mean it makes no sense whatsoever that those two Zelda types could possibly interlock... there are way too many possibilities and story gaps to figure that out, and it would take several new games, TP couldn't bring it together. So, for now, I will stick with my opinion that 2D and 3D Zeldas are two entirely different Zeldas atm.

Later I'll read the whole thread and make a better post, but for now this is it.
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The trident of power was layed to rest in the great pyramid remember,
now wouldn't it make much more sense that Ganon's trident in Alttp was just a regular weapon, however he did have the triforce of power at this time.
In Alttp just a second before Ganon is defeated he infused the triforce of power within the trident knowing that his minions would find it and keep it somewhere safe awaiting the next king of Darkness.
Well Ganon would not have infused it with the Triforce of power then because that piece of the Triforce would have been absent in the further legends after it. I take back what I said about the triforce being lost after AoL. I believe it was kept in the possession of the Royal family in secretsy. But something compells me to believe that after the events of AoL the Triforce was broken and hidden throughout the land. But Zelda may have kept the Triforce of Wisdom and had it passed down through the family until it would have reached in the destined hands of Tetra in WW posibly. It also compells me to believe that the light force is the power of the Triforce of Wisdom in Zelda during the MC.

But anyway, I do beleieve that the trident was a weapon created by Ganon. And what I meant by infusing the trident with the Triforce of Power is that I meant to say the Triforce of power was infused with it at some time when Ganon's minions infused it in it for his next return.

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Note that in Alttp you fight Ganon in a Pyramid where is the trident found in FSA? a Pyramid. So wouldn't it be logical that the Ganon in Alttp did die (in both light and dark worlds) forever?
No, because that temple is only located in the Evil/Sacred Realm. It was known to be the Temple of Light at a time before Ganondorf entered it in OoT but then it became renown as The Temple of Darkness once Ganon took over the realm. I never said that the Temple of Rights was the same as this temple. My theory was that it was the same temple as in FSA in which we did not see the outside of the Room of Rights in OoS/OoA.

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His trident was found by his loyalists and laid to rest within the same pyramid he was killed in, with that inscription i mentioned earlier resting next to where his followers put it.
Correct.

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If this is true then Ganon must have known all along that another King of darkness was to come, maybe he knew that he would one day be reborn and all he'd have to do is pick up the trident once more and he would have all the power he ever had...
You keep saying things as if there are multiple new Ganons being born as if their is a family of Ganons??? You surprise me in believing this when most people believe that we are fighting the very same Ganon in every game, in which we are, but he is just revived. The only reason the Geredos speak of Ganon/dorf in FSA is that they are remembering his betrayal to their race in past events of their history in OoT. As for temple not being built by the Geredos, it was built simply by his followers.

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Old 08-25-2005, 01:15 AM
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You keep saying things as if there are multiple new Ganons being born as if their is a family of Ganons??? You surprise me in believing this when most people believe that we are fighting the very same Ganon in every game, in which we are, but he is just revived. The only reason the Geredos speak of Ganon/dorf in FSA is that they are remembering his betrayal to their race in past events of their history in OoT. As for temple not being built by the Geredos, it was built simply by his followers.
In my opinion there are at least two Ganon/dorf's, your wrong when you say the Gerudo's in FSA are speaking about past events.
First off the Gerudo's tell us that Ganondorf is a man from their tribe that broke their laws, we are also told the legend of one male Gerudo been born every 100yrs and that the current child had evil desires, since there is no other Gerudo king in the game it would suggest that the child was Ganondorf, they do not speak of events from OOT they speak about what is currently happening.
The only way this Ganondorf could be the same from the other games would be if he was reincarnated because he couldn't have been ressurected or else the Gerudo's wouldn't have told the story about him as a child and if he was ressurected the Gerudo's would have to have a current king anyway.
Therefore in my opinion there are at least two Ganon/dorf's.
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You forget one thing, LoZ Historian. In LoZ Ganon is also killed and in AoL Link gets the Triforce of Courage, and that way completes the Triforce. If the castle really is North Castle then it has to be AFTER AoL, not ALttP. If it's North Castle then the Ruto Forest needs time to EXPAND.

Besides, another whole in your theory is that after ALttP the Dark World has become the Golden Land again. LoZ is another matter. According the Japanese version of the LoZ manual Ganon and his army of darkness came from a world of evil (which was poorly translated as the Underworld). That means that the Dark World/Evil Realm/Dark Realm exists at the time of LoZ and AoL.

Therefore I believe, so far, that the Oracles takes place after AoL.

EDIT: I've also thought for some time that it's North Castle.
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I think that MC is right after WW, when they find their new home, since they look just alike (in the art) and know each other real well..
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You forget one thing, LoZ Historian. In LoZ Ganon is also killed and in AoL Link gets the Triforce of Courage, and that way completes the Triforce. If the castle really is North Castle then it has to be AFTER AoL, not ALttP. If it's North Castle then the Ruto Forest needs time to EXPAND.
My theory leads me to believe that some time after the events of ALttP the Royal Family took The Triforce to the north, northwestern lands of Hyrule past Death Mountain, (The land in AoL.) They took the Triforce there in secretsy knowing that the people of there land lusted for its power and therefor took it to North Castle. As for Ruto Forest, that is not a fair fact you stated. For all we know that forest could have been in that region of Hyrule for centuries. So what do you mean it needed time to EXPAND. The Hyrule in AoL is another existing region of Hyrule north of Death Mountain. We have never known it was there until the AoL, so therefor it has probably existed there for as far back as we can predict in Hyrule's history.

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Besides, another whole in your theory is that after ALttP the Dark World has become the Golden Land again. LoZ is another matter. According the Japanese version of the LoZ manual Ganon and his army of darkness came from a world of evil (which was poorly translated as the Underworld). That means that the Dark World/Evil Realm/Dark Realm exists at the time of LoZ and AoL.
I understand what your getting at and I forgot to consider this in my theory, but I have poundered on this as well. I know the Evil Realm turned back to the Sacred Realm after Ganon's defeat but Twinrova said she would revive his spirit from that realm in which he was still inhabiting the Sacred Realm. Now consider this for a moment. When Ganondorf first invaded the Sacred Realm in OoT it turned into the Evil Realm. Twinrova (Komu & Kotake) new this had happened, and then Link destroyed them, with there last memory of this. When and how Twinrova was revived is unkown, but when they were revived at some time after ALttP, all they knew is that Ganon was dead in the "Evil Realm" and there missioin was to revive him. Notice how they called it thre Evil Realm still. They called it this still because they did not no it had become sacred once more. How could they? There last memory of it was the other in OoT.

Now as for the Underworld being the Evil Realm I strongly disagree. :mad: The realm is a mirror that reflects what is in the heart. If Link in the LoZ went down there he would have changed shape as Link did in ALttP. If the Dark World existed in LoZ and AoL that would mean the Sacred Realm was corrupted into the Evil Realm again, and that would mean that Ganon/dorf would have had to wish for the world a second time in the realm for that to happen! There is no evidence of this. The Underworld is simply known as where Ganon's minions haled from in some of the dungeons that were located down their. But you are correct that it states that Ganon came from a world of evil. This may have been reffering to the Dark World in ALttP before it was clensed.

However... I only put LoZ and AoL in paranthesis after the Oracle legengs in my timeline. The wholes you found in my theory also lead me to believe that these two legends came before ALttP when the realm was still evil, which agrees with your theory that bases that the Evil Realm was still around, (NOT the Underworld). I base this on one very important fact that many missed in the prologue of the WW and I did not wan't to consider it but I will now since you've led me to it. In the prologue of the WW it states after many years of peace after Ganon's fall to the Hero of Time that "...the long forgotten evil crept from the depths of the earth to resume it's dark design on hyrule..." I interprept, bitterly, the the terms stated, "crept from depths of the earth" refers to the Underworld in which Ganon was last defeated in the LoZ. So this would mean: OoT, MM, TP, LoZ, AoL,WW... But how the hell is THAT suppose to work?! I know it says the hero did not show up when the events that predate the doom of Hyrule before WW happened! :mad:

That is why I believe that many other legends come in between OoT and WW and the statement in the WW prologue refers to Ganon resuming his dark design on Hyrules history untill he has wiped out Links decendents as centuries pass on up to WW when the bloodline runs thin. Remember Ganondorf stated that when he ever got out of the Evil Realm he would exterminate Links descendants. The reason I believe LoZ and AoL come to be towards the end of my time is that it is when the Hero of Time's decendents have all died out and the role of the hero can not appear. So I'll stand by with this: OoT, MM, TP, ALttP, OoS/OoA, LA, LoZ, AoL, TMC, FS, FSA, WW

Note: I do not believe the Links from the FS legends or WW are decendants of the Hero of Time. I would think that the bloodline is very thin, let alon gone at this point. Although Ganondorf in WW senced that Link was the Hero of Time reborn but I think he met that as a figure of speech for he was not interested in killing him after he defeated "Puppet Ganon".

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Old 12-07-2005, 11:42 PM
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Re: Interesting Discoveries: Mysterious Beginings & Endings

That is a very good idea. However I am sorry but I must disagree with you. I think the Zelda timeline is a double timeline due to the events of Ocarina of Time. This is the order I believe. (This is based on the games I've played)

______________________Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask__________________Twilight Princess
Legend of Zelda__________________The Wind Waker
Adventure of Link
A Link to the Past
Oracle of Ages/Seasons
Link's Awakening

(The reason I have the underslashes is so you can read it correctly.)

I don't play that many handheld games, as you can tell. The reason I believe in a double timeline is because of the event that occur in Ocarina of Time. After you defeat Ganon you return to the past and go to the events of Majora's Mask, however the time of the reality in which Ganodorf was defeated continued to flow as normal. Thus, leading to the event of The Wind Waker. And since Link was in the timeline of Majora's Mask he couldn't return to defeat Ganon, which led to The Wind Waker. However, after Majora's Mask Ganon was alive, since he'd never been defeated (because in this timeline Link and Ganon never fought. And I place A Link to the Past late in the timeline because when I think about it that's the only place it fits (my opinion). I'll have to play The Minish Cap, and Four Swords to determine their place in my timeline.
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Old 12-19-2005, 12:30 PM
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Re: Interesting Discoveries: Mysterious Beginings & Endings

Well lately I am being shifty for the first time about agreeing and not agreeing with Split Timelines, and yeah OoT did mess up things having two different endings in all. However my timeline would look like yours if it were a Split Timeline but a couple things are different:

OoT(child ending),MM, (TP), & WW

or...

OoT(adult ending), (TP), ALttP, OoS/OoA, LA, TMC, FS, FSA, LoZ, AoL, & (WW)

Just for the record, THIS IS BY NO MEANS MY REAL IDEAL TIMELINE

However I don't know where TP falls, after OoT(adult ending) or OoT(child ending) could you or someone enlighten me? That may be a bad question to ask here because there is much controversy over the matter in other threads and forums..."Sigh" But if TP comes after MM that would mean that Hyrule floods at the end prequels WW, but there are no facts stating that’s so. I seem to lean more towards TP prequels events spoken of in the ALttP. You can find my theory about that in this thread:

Imprisoning Twilight.

I think TP is going to straighten up the timeline after OoT, hopefully.

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