Ganon's Trident...The Triforce of power? (Possible spoilers)

… … …
Seek …you…the world?
Seek you…power?

Does your…soul…despise
Peace and… thirst for…
More?

Does you soul…cry…
For…destruction and…
Conquest?

We…grant you… power to
… ruin…the world. The
power of…darkness.

Evil… spirit of
Magic trident.

You are…the…
King of Darkness.

Above is a quote from FSA, it is the scripture written in an 'ancient language' which resides atop the great pyramid with the Trident itself.
My question is, who created this artifact of immense power and why?

In FSA we are told by a race that inhabit the desert (Not Gerudo) that their ancestors built the Great Pyramid, but they never mention anything about the trident.

As i have spoken about in another Thread titled "Ganon the Gerudo?" Ganon the Gerudo?
I believe that FSA sees the birth of the very first Ganon.

In the time of FSA the Gerudos are a peaceful race, not once are they refered to as thieves or black magic users.
Every 100 yrs a male Gerudo is born into their tribe who is destined to become their next ruler.
for centuries their kings have lead them well but their current king, Gannondorf has shown signs of evil and a lust for more and more power.

At this stage of Hyrule's history no-one has found the triforce that has been left behind by the godesses, therefore Gannondorf does not yet have the triforce of power.
A legend must have existed throughout Hyrule that an Artifact that would bestow the user unimaginable power existed within the Great Pyramid, for when Ganondorf's lust for power became too strong he knew exactly where to go...

Ganondorf took the trident and became the prince of darkness.

A common theory is that Ganondorf's alter ego (Ganon) is a transformation that takes place through the use of the triforce of power, yet in FSA Ganondorf transforms into Ganon without the triforce of power, he transforms under the will of the trident.

The trident and the triforce of power both show similar characteristics in that they both grant the user all the power they desire, and allow the transformation of Ganon to take place.
Could it be possible that the Trident is in fact the embodiment of the triforce of power?

The only way that this could be possible is if the Goddesess created it in the first place.
now you're probably saying WTF why would the Godesses create something of pure evil?
well then just have a think... the goddesses Created the triforce of power which was in no way meant to be used for peace and prosperity, it was in fact, an artifact of evil that granted immense power and devoured the user's soul. In this same way the trident would only work 'as intended' if it were used in unity with the triforce of wisdom & courage or the embodiement of these artifacts.(courage=master sword wisdom=zelda's bow??? power=Ganon's trident)

If the triforce of power was indeed created for evil purposes as the trident was then it meant that one of the Goddeses had other intentions...
I think that the corrupt one was indeed the Goddess Din, the Goddess of power, the one who offered the triforce of power to be part of the three, while the others were balanced and pure, Din's was not, if it were not for Din's input than Ganon would never have gained power and the land would never have been in turmoil.

In conclusion, Din was the creator of the triforce of power which corrupted hyrule, somehow either herself or another race embodied the power of this into a weapon of mass destruction...The trident.
This explains the reason the two objects share such similar characteristics and why they both allow the weilder to transform into Ganon.

Thanks for listening and congrats if you read it all!

Yay I read it all. XD Yes this is interesting. And about Din being evil. Its actually a good theory. Because she created the earth, she maybe wanted to rule it?

Well, actually, the cutscene in OoT explaining the Godesses said that the Triforce was left there when they parted with the planet. That doesn't mean they created it. It was just kind of a symbollic item to represent that they were once there.


Din isn't corrupt just because she's powerful. Why does she have to be the evil one? Just because Nayru is wise, doesn't mean she can't be evil. Gannondorf is wise, and it's safe to say that he's evil. Farore is courageous, that doesn't make her a pure heart. Gannondorf had courage, I mean he had strength enough to threaten the Great Deku tree, curse Jabu Jabu, and a ton of evil acts. Does having Wisdom and Courage make you a pure heart? Link is courageous, and he has a dark side. My point here is, Din isn't corrupt. They're golden godesses, I think they're all pure of heart.

The triforce does not devour peoples souls. It simply causes a widespread effect depending on the soul of the person who touches it. Gannondorf touched it and... Everybody knows this story so I won't bore people with it. But it was not created to cause terror and destruction. It was only intended to leave a mark upon the world of where the godesses left it. To remind the people who made it, and where they left the world at.

Alright, bear with me here. Who says this Trident was intended to be evil? What if it was just infused with the Triforce of Power to make the weilder stronger? What if Gannondorf got it, and used it to be evil. An item's intentions, and what the item is used for are two different things. Gannon used it to be evil, that doesn't mean it was created for evil. What if Gannon got hold of the Master Sword, and used it to do evil things, does that mean Farore made it to be evil? No. Get my point?

And since when does Zelda have a bow?

Originally Posted by Linkmaniac27

Well, actually, the cutscene in OoT explaining the Godesses said that the Triforce was left there when they parted with the planet. That doesn't mean they created it. It was just kind of a symbollic item to represent that they were once there.

Quote from http://www.zelda.com (official site) "Din, Goddess of Power
Working with her two sisters, Din assisted in the creation of Hyrule at the beginning of time. She also contributed the Triforce of Power to the Sacred Triforce."

See she did create the triforce of power...

Originally Posted by Linkmaniac27

The triforce does not devour peoples souls. It simply causes a widespread effect depending on the soul of the person who touches it. Gannondorf touched it

I didn't mean literally devour his soul i meant that it made him lust for even more power and i also read somewhere that if the triforce of power not used in conjunction with the other pieces, it will corrupt the user, and they will become power hungry. now im not sure if this refers to all the pieces but i doubt that, which is what i was trying to get at with the triforce of power is evil thing as power is the only one of the three pieces which shows true villianous traits.

Originally Posted by Linkmaniac27

Alright, bear with me here. Who says this Trident was intended to be evil?

The thing i said at the very start of this thread was a direct quote from FSA it is written by whoever created the Trident explaing how if you take this "we grant you power to ruin the world. The power of darkness."

Originally Posted by Linkmaniac27

And since when does Zelda have a bow?

Zelda uses a bow in the cartoon Zelda and also in the final battles in both OOT and TWW. I didn't actually mean that the bow was the embodiement of the triforce of wisdom as such, i was just trying to find an item best suited to Zelda to relate it to how the trident could be the embodiment of the triforce of power. In my opinion the master sword and the bow do NOT relate to the triforce pieces as the Trident does, sorry if i caused any confusion.

Have a nice day

Dude... first, the bow in the final battle in tWW that Zelda used was Link's bow. Not hers. Because if you look in your inventory as soon as she uses the bow, yours is gone. So therefore, that theory is wrong. And Zelda does NOT use a bow in the final battle of OoT. And what is cartoon Zelda? Never heard of it...

I have played through and beaten FSA, and that quote you stated is not in the game anywhere. Seriously, where and when is it stated? I never encountered this.

Where did you read that the Triforce of Power makes them lust for more power? Where did you read that said it was an object of evil that made it's bearer crave for mroe power? The godesses may have made the triforce as a symbol to the world as to where they left, and that they existed, but I don't think Din was corrupt and created the Triforce just to make Gannondorf conqeur the world. And, it said she contributed the triforce of power. That doesn't mean she created it.

Umm if i kinda wrote that the thing about the Zelda bow thing was just an example to compare it to Ganon's trident, i also said in the last post that i did not mean that Zelda's bow was the embodiement of the triforce of wisdom, it was just an example...

As for the quote from FSA it is shown after you beat the boss (moldrom thing) at the end of the Great pyramid. After you beat the boss you move into the room next door where you see the outline of where the trident should be, the maiden who is with you at that time reads aloud the tablet which is next to the trident, that's where the quote is from.

I'd also appreciate it if you stop trying to make me seem stupid and discuss the theory rather than trying to correct me with false information.

Sorry to double post but this is a quote again from www.zelda.com that says the godesses created the triforce.

The Triforce
The holy Triforce was created by three Goddesses to serve as a symbol of their sacred bond with Hyrule -- the world they had created. The Goddess Din offered the Triforce of Power, Nayru contributed the Triforce of Wisdom, and Farore presented the Triforce of Courage. Combined, the three pieces formed the ultimate sacred Triforce.

Interesting theory, I haven't played TMC yet... but it sounds interesting...

In a Link to the Past ganon uses a trident:

This is what I have to say on the topic.

I agree with you that FSA is the first game (chronologicaly) with Ganon doing something evil, being in the child timeline where the sacred realm was never opened. Because it was never opened Ganon had to find another item of power (the trident). I agree that the the trident does bear similarities to the triforce of power, however I do not believe that they are related in any way. Ganon can use both to transform, and he has both in ALTTP, (I'm assuming it's the same trident) simply because they both possess power. He could probably transform if he got his hands on any other powerful item such as the minish cap. (the one Vaati wears, not Ezlo)

I completely disagree with the triforce of power being evil. It is stated in the ALTTP manual that the triforce is an inanimate object that does not recognize good or evil, so the ToP could do as much good as bad.

Leprechaun, I'm going now to go do that level again to see if that quote exists. EDIT: It exists. I just didn't remember it. Shows how dumb I am . Anyway, I tried as hard as I could to mentally block FSA from my mind because it's a stupid game made for the sole purpose of trying to sell more GBAs and GBA cables.

Nevertheless, I don't see how that minor inscription has anything to do with the Triforce of Power. It's talking about an all-powerful trident that Gannondorf found and it gave him enough power to transform. And, I never really cared about how Zelda's bow was the item of Wisdom, I just cared about the fact Zelda had a bow, becuase she doesn't.

Dark Link, we know Gannon used a trident, we're not exactly stupid here... And what does TMC have to do with anything?

Originally Posted by Linkmaniac27

And, I never really cared about how Zelda's bow was the item of Wisdom, I just cared about the fact Zelda had a bow, becuase she doesn't.

Shhh leave me alone it was the only item i could think of i meant nothing by it, however i can tapdance.

moving rapidly along now...

Originally Posted by silver arrow

I completely disagree with the triforce of power being evil. It is stated in the ALTTP manual that the triforce is an inanimate object that does not recognize good or evil, so the ToP could do as much good as bad.

Yeh i can see where you are coming from but isn't it a bit strange that not once in hyrule's history has the triforce of power (when not used in conjunction with the other pieces) being used for good?

As for the trident being the same as in Alttp that is more than likely true and infact thanks to LOZ historian's thread i may have changed my beliefs on the FS series coming first, the reason for this is because as i questioned earlier "who made the trident" well LOZ historian's theory has lead me to believe that the Ganon in Alttp may be the first Ganon and just before he died he left the trident with his minions for safe keeping, they hid it in the pyramid in Alttp where you fight Ganon and there it remained awaiting the new king of darkness.
This would also explain its connections to the triforce of power in that maybe when Ganon died he was able to embody the triforce piece within the trident...

So in conclusion the trident was originally made as a regular weapon, Ganon who at the time had the triforce already used it for no particular reason however as he was dying he used his last ounce of strength to contain the triforce within the trident, all set for the next Ganon.

Originally Posted by Leprechaun

Yeh i can see where you are coming from but isn't it a bit strange that not once in hyrule's history has the triforce of power (when not used in conjunction with the other pieces) being used for good?

In fact, you're right. But listen. Every time in a LoZ game, the ToP was received by Gannondorf. Of course it's going to be used for evil. Duh, I mean it's not like Gannon's going to go traipsing around Hyrule decorating it and handing out flowers. I mean, if Link got the ToP, you think he would take over Hyrule and try and rule it? No, he would use it for good. It's the weilder in question, not the item. I thought we were clear on this.

And, as I stated in your other thread, the Gannondorf in one game is the same one throughout all of the games. There is only one Gannon/dorf. Because if he was completely different Gannon/dorf in every game, that would mean all the LoZ games with Gannon/dorf in it are 100 years apart. Which can't be true.

And, as said countless times by me and tons of other people, the 2D Zelda games and the 3D Zelda games are two completely different timelines. I mean come on, they have to be different? Is there a "Village of the Blue Maiden" in any 3D LoZ game? No. In fact, are there even Maidens in any other 3D LoZ game? No. Are there 4 royal gems in any 3D LoZ game? No.

Hehe I replied in my other thread a (attempt) to explain how every Ganon does not nesecerally have to be the same person.
Who ever said all the games were 100 years apart? throughout the series the landscape changes drastically suggesting that 1000's of year could have past since the last game, throughout this time many other Gerudo kings could have ruled until once again an evil king shows up and goes crazy.

I for one am not one of the countless who believe that the top-down games differ from the 3D ones, just because they have a different graphical style does not mean it's a different story.
All you have to do is take the time to sit back and try to work out how all the games can fit together, as i said in my other thread LOZ historian has written a great timeline i think you should all read. http://www.zeldauniverse.net/forums...0813#post610813
It is a very good timeline Imo and shows how all the games can link.

... There are far too many gaps, and far too many holes, and far too much time and effort to be taken for the 3D and the 2D games to be one timeline. Seriously, not only a different graphical style, but a near completely different story... There's just... too many gaps to work out.

What I meant by the 100 years apart is, if each game had a different Gannon, and all of them are Gerudo, then that means that it has to be a new king, which is only born every 100 years. It's too much of a coincidence that all of them are named Gannondorf, and how all of them look alike, and how all of them are evil, and how all of them get the Triforce of Power. It just doesn't make sense. They have to be the same.

And if you notice, the timeline LoZ Historian made up is strictly 2D games. I didn't notice a single 3D game in there. I'm going to bed, it's late for me. Goodnight.

Originally Posted by Linkmaniac27

What I meant by the 100 years apart is, if each game had a different Gannon, and all of them are Gerudo, then that means that it has to be a new king, which is only born every 100 years. It's too much of a coincidence that all of them are named Gannondorf, and how all of them look alike, and how all of them are evil, and how all of them get the Triforce of Power. It just doesn't make sense. They have to be the same.

But what i was trying to say is that all the Ganon's are not necesserally named Ganondorf and do not necesserally look alike, the only games we see Ganon in human form is OOT and WW. In FSA we are told there is a human called Ganondorf who becomes Ganon but we do not see him in human form, therefore if in some games we only see Ganon in 'pig' form then how do we know what he looked like and how do we know if he was born with the name Ganondorf?
There is at least two Ganon's because the birth of two different individuals named Ganondorf are explained in OOT and FSA.

Finally LOZ historian's timeline does include OOT and TWW however i don't think he has included MM.

Originally Posted by Leprechaun

There is at least two Ganon's because the birth of two different individuals named Ganondorf are explained in OOT and FSA.

OR......they could be referencing the SAME birth, besides, OOT says nothing of his birth. Or at least not to the degree that FSA does.

LOZhistorian's timelines are very fun to read, but he seems to get a little carried away and adds an enormous amount of fanfiction.