Who were the FIRST sages?

I know that the sages that Link got the medallions from arent in fact the original seven. So..... who are they?

good question ....but i have no idea

My theory on this is that the people who the sages were may have died, but their spirit has been reincarneted into other sages..Like Link and Zelda.

Whoever were the original 7 had probably passed away and passed on their gift or soul or whatever to Rauru, Saria, Darmani, Ruto, Impa, Nabooru, and of course Zelda.

Well in Link to the Past, in the begining sequence they talk about the last remaining bloodline of the Royal Hylian Bloodline. I believe they said it took seven of them to make the original seal for the Sacred Realm. I believe that they are the original sages. The maidens you need to rescue in ALttP (as well as in FSA) are also what I believe are the descendants of the sages as well (in FSA, just look at the colors of each maiden. They correspond to the sages in OoT. Coincidence? I think not).

-BGS

I always thought the ones in OoT were first, guessing from AoL's towns, probably where the names originated. But it may have been the maidens in FSA, I think that may come before OoT.

Kaepora Gaebora says he's the reincarnated form of a sage. Rauru is mentioned as one of the original sages, so those two might have been two of the original seven.

Originally Posted by Ganondorf

Kaepora Gaebora says he's the reincarnated form of a sage. Rauru is mentioned as one of the original sages, so those two might have been two of the original seven.

Actually it is believed to be Kaepora Gaebora is the reincarnation of Rauru (or that he can change forms....I fogot). But it's all to whatever you believe. Nobody is truely right but Miyamoto.

-BGS

Originally Posted by BigGoronSword

Actually it is believed to be Kaepora Gaebora is the reincarnation of Rauru (or that he can change forms....I fogot). But it's all to whatever you believe. Nobody is truely right but Miyamoto.

-BGS

Yeah, it IS believed but only because he also mentioned he was reincarnated.

Originally Posted by Ganondorf

Kaepora Gaebora says he's the reincarnated form of a sage. Rauru is mentioned as one of the original sages, so those two might have been two of the original seven.

Its a start, I havn't played the first Zelda games, do they mention anything about the Sages at the begining of the series?

nope, they dont mention anything

but I have some interesting info regardingh TMC and sages

Spoiler (Highlight to read):

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Elzo was once a minish sage before he was transformed into a cap

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The ignorance and misconceptions running rampant in this thread are rather... shocking.

Well in Link to the Past, in the begining sequence they talk about the last remaining bloodline of the Royal Hylian Bloodline. I believe they said it took seven of them to make the original seal for the Sacred Realm

What on earth are you talking about?

In the LttP backstory, it mentions the Seven Wise Men, who sealed Ganondorf in the Imprisoning War. In the GBA rerelease of LttP, they changed the "Seven Wisemen" to the "Seven Sages".

In LttP, they mention that the bloodlines of the Hylians are thinning out.

Nowhere does it ever mention anything about the seven sages being of the Royal Bloodline.

Actually it is believed to be Kaepora Gaebora is the reincarnation of Rauru (or that he can change forms....I fogot). But it's all to whatever you believe. Nobody is truely right but Miyamoto.

Anybody who believes that Rauru and Kaepora Gaebora are the same being really need to look up the definition of "reincarnation". Unless the translators screwed up and used the wrong word, it is impossible for Kaepora Gaebora to be a reincarnation of Rauru.

Yeah, it IS believed but only because he also mentioned he was reincarnated.

Nowhere is anything about Rauru being reincarnated ever mentioned.

Its a start, I havn't played the first Zelda games, do they mention anything about the Sages at the begining of the series?

LttP is the first game to mention the Sages/Wisemen.


Vacuumgod:

[spoilers]When they call Ezlo a Minish Sage, I think they mean just an old sage, a wziard type guy. I don't think they mean a sage of the sort that seals Ganondorf, or creates the Master Sword or anything.[/spoiler]



We know for a fact that the current crop of Sages in OoT is not the first group. Allow me to quote...

Originally Posted by Zelda/Sheik

The three goddesses hid the
Triforce containing the power of
the gods somewhere in Hyrule.
The power
to grant the wish of the one who
holds the Triforce in his hands.
If someone with a righteous heart
makes a wish, it will lead Hyrule
to a golden age of prosperity....
If someone with an evil mind has
his wish granted, the world will
be consumed by evil...That is what
has been told....
So, the ancient Sages built
the Temple of Time to protect the
Triforce from evil ones.

Originally Posted by Rauru

I am Rauru, one of the ancient
Sages...
Ages ago, we ancient Sages
built the Temple of Time to
protect the entrance to the
Sacred Realm...
This is the Chamber of Sages,
inside the Temple of Light...
The Temple of Light, situated in
the very center of the Sacred
Realm, is the last stronghold
against Ganondorf's evil forces.
The Master Sword--the evil-
destroying sword that you pulled
out of the Pedestal of Time--was
the final key to the Sacred Realm.
Link...
Don't be alarmed...
Look at yourself...!

Originally Posted by Gossip Stone

They say that the owl named
Kaepora Gaebora is the
reincarnation of an ancient Sage.

Originally Posted by Rauru

But there is still hope...
The power of the Sages remains.
When the power of all the Sages
is awakened...
The Sages' Seals will contain
all the evil power in the void of
the Realm...
I, Rauru, am one of the Sages...

So. We know there were ancient Sages. We know for a fact that both Rauru and Kaepora Gaebora (in some form) were part of that group. It is fairly safe to assume that both Rauru and the Owl are two different beings. We know that the Ancient Sages built the Temple of Time.

It is probably safe to assume that the Ancient Sages also built all the other Temples, as well as the Master Sword and the Ocarina of Time.

We also know that there have been at least four groups of Sages/Wisemen/Maidens - OoT, LttP, FSA, and tWW. Make that five, if you consider the ancient Sages mentioned in OoT another group.

I agree with los. Didn't Rauru state that the original sages were killed off by Ganondorf during his rein of Hyrule?

No, Rauru said no such thing.

lord-of-shadow is right. The only part where he missed up was where he siad the the sages made the master sword. Ganondorf made the Master sword. Ganon said that in the WW. The WW cleared up alot of ya'lls thoughts.

Ganondorf made the Master sword. Ganon said that in the WW.

Ganondorf did not make the Master Sword, and I don't know what could have possibly given you that idea.

I don't think Ganondorf made the Master sword in WW. He just comments on how it lost it's power. In OoT I think it is true that the sages created the Master sword.

The Sages didn't forge the Master Sword. According the Japanese ALttP manual a divine oracle came and told the people to forge a sword that can repel evil. It has nothing to do with the coming of Ganon, like someone believes.

The maidens you need to rescue in ALttP (as well as in FSA) are also what I believe are the descendants of the sages as well (in FSA, just look at the colors of each maiden. They correspond to the sages in OoT. Coincidence? I think not).

There's a clear difference between the maidens in ALttP and those in FSA. Those in ALttP are only descendants of the Wise Men and do not have the powers of their ancestors, unlike the maidens in FSA. Also, notice that the colours of the maidens isn't completely accurate with the Sages in OoT. I'm too lazy to go and see for myself at the moment, but I believe there is a white maiden instead of orange.