Something not right in ZU Timeline

200 Hyrulian Chronology
How the Great Sea was drained and how Ganon was once again sealed in the Sacred Realm will, at least until we see a true sequel to The Wind Waker, not be known. However it is believed that the sea was possibly drained by the trees that the Koroks planted with the seeds of the Great Deku Tree. At this Hyrule has been re-built and it is about as peaceful and prosperous as ever. It is then Link III and Zelda III are born, and they are witout doubt connected to the original Hero and Princess, as they are of the same bloodline.

3214 Hyrulian Chronology (ALTTP)
The Wizard Agahnim appears in Hyrule and solves current disasters of the time. He is declared the people's hero and made Chief Advisor but then secretly overthrows the King and destroys the seal that imprisons Ganondorf in the Dark World. Princess Zelda contacts Link telepathically, pleading for him to help. Link manages to defeat Agahnim and Ganondorf, using the power of the Master Sword, and brings the Triforce to Hyrule.

3216 Hyrulian Chronology (OOA/OOS)
Ganon is trying to expand his powers by taking over the lands of Labrynna and Holodrum. The Triforce calls for Link, who has to save both lands and the Oracles of Season and Ages, Din and Nayru. It is believed that these two were named after the Godesses, but there was no further connection between them. While saving Labrynna, Link travels many thousand years back in time aswell. After Link completes his quest, he goes back to Hyrule.

I think something is not right about this. In this part, they say that ALTTP came before OOA/OOS. But if you look at the official art, you can see it is indeed the same link (same clothes, hairstyle, and even shield), but in OOA/S, he looks like a young boy, and in ALTTP he looks alot older. Here is some of the official Art to show what i mean.


(OOA/OOS Link)


(ALTTP Link)

You see what i mean? And after that it says LA occured, and in there he looks like ALTTP Link again.

*PS: LA definatally occured after OOA/S, because in the linked ending, link leaves the land by using a boat, and in LA, he gets stuck in a storm on that same boat..Doesnt explain how he looked older in LA and ALTTP though..

Well I dont think we can really rely on pictures alone. There needs to be more evidence than the cloths he wears or the shield he has to make such a statement although I do agree that LA accured after OOS/OOA because as you said at the end of OOA/OOS Link leaves on a raft.

I don't think LA Link or OoS/OoA Link are the same at all. It would seem that if they were the same, then OoS/OoA Link would've probably been an adult.

I always believed that in those three games, the order went-

Oracles
A Link to the Past
Link's Awakening


It also fits to my theory that Ganon grew weaker over time, but that's for another article/thread...

Originally Posted by Chozen

Well I dont think we can really rely on pictures alone.

I think we can. It is Official Art, provided by Nintendo. I think we can assume that they don't lie. Here is a picture of Link in Links Awakening (Official Art):




Now come on, it looks EXACTLY the same as the Link in ALTTP, and i mean exactly. I think i can be safe to assume that ALTTP Link and LA Link are one and the same. And if the Link from LA is the same as ALTTP, then OOA/OOS Link is the same as LA, for at the ending of that game, you see him sailing away, which continues in LA.

(Confusing isnt it, lol) So Link from OOA/S = Link from LA, = Link from ALTTP.

Now the only thing that bothers me is the order of it in the timeline, is it ALTTP, OOA/S , LA? or OOA/S , LA, ALTTP? (I mean face it, Link looks younger in OOA/S then he does in LA or ALTTP

At the opening of the Oracles, the Triforce is united, and in Hyrule Castle. That means the Oracles HAVE to take place after LttP, or after AoL.

And in the Oracles, Link and Zelda meet each other for the first time. That means it's a new Link. Personally, I think in-game dialogue and the Triforce override any evidence that the art might give.

Personally, I would put the Oracles sometime after LttP and LA, with a new Link involved.

Ahh, that makes perfect sense. Then the A Link to the Past Link is a brand new Link, and is the same as in Link's Awakening. Then the Oracles Links is another whole new Link just for that duolgy, I get it. That actually seems to fit really well

Originally Posted by Pegasus_Wing

I think we can. It is Official Art, provided by Nintendo. I think we can assume that they don't lie. Here is a picture of Link in Links Awakening (Official Art):




Now come on, it looks EXACTLY the same as the Link in ALTTP, and i mean exactly. I think i can be safe to assume that ALTTP Link and LA Link are one and the same. And if the Link from LA is the same as ALTTP, then OOA/OOS Link is the same as LA, for at the ending of that game, you see him sailing away, which continues in LA.

(Confusing isnt it, lol) So Link from OOA/S = Link from LA, = Link from ALTTP.

Now the only thing that bothers me is the order of it in the timeline, is it ALTTP, OOA/S , LA? or OOA/S , LA, ALTTP? (I mean face it, Link looks younger in OOA/S then he does in LA or ALTTP

You know Pegasus_Wing you are right. Now that I look at the pictures they look exactly alike and as you said I guess we can trust the pic's sense they are official Nintendo art.

Well actually, since LA came exactly after ALttP (in terms of a release date), it would fully make sense for the art to be similar. After both OoT and MM were released a few years later, and the Oracles were released, obviously the official art would not be the same. Therefore, one must not rely on official art for a source of information, really.

Personally, I've submitted to this timeline: [separated by different Links]

TMC

OoT
MM

TWW

FSA <-- can go anywhere after TWW and before TLoZ

ALttP

OoS
OoA
LA

TLoZ
TAoL

FS



Now I realize many will dispute this for several reasons, but I will merely focus on the ALttP thru LA section. First, I believe that the ending of the Oracle games (when linked) was crucial to determining where LA comes in. Disregarding the official art, which I feel is not canon at all, the way the ending flows just makes sense.

On another forum when I brought this up, someone mentioned the final boss of LA - the nightmares. For Link to have

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dreamed up Koholint Island and all of its components

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, Link must have experienced them in real life. Ganon's shadow is easy, because

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Ganon is the 'linked' final boss of the Oracles

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, and Aganhim is also in the Oracle games. For those who don't know, he is the mini boss of one of the dungeons... 4 or 5, I believe, in OoS. (That's all I can think of for the nightmares now, but I realize there were others.)

In 1993 when LA was first released, it was obviously intended for LA to come directly after ALttP, hence the same official art (and yes, that is appropriate now, because there were only 4 games out at the time). However, as more games were released, this timeline changed, especially with the release of the Oracles. The newest games in Zelda lore bring the most to the timeline, in my opinion, because they are the most currently revised Zelda games in terms of chronology.

I'll put simply stated.
I dont believe that all the games are connected in the same timeline. I believe as was said in a previous article, I believe by Anakin, there was not a timeline until the fans demanded one. Any timeline that is created will more than likely be made by fans and fans alone. Its based on the fans oppinion not on actual fact. So actually it is imposible for there to be a timeline flaw, because it is all an oppinion.

Reamia, i think you are right with that timeline..well except for the Four Swords part, but that is not appropriate (grammer) here. I guess you are right, it is

Alttp
OOA/S
LA

Because:

At the start of OOA/S link is in front of the triforce in Hyrule Castle, which had to take place after ALTTP, because the triforce called him a hero, and was brought back together once more.

Then OOA/S, which at the ending tells you that he went on a Ship to get home

Then La, Where his ship gets caught in a storm, and he gets on Koholint Island in his dreams/reality/god knows what.

And now i also agree that the official art over time changed, which makes sense because it was made (the game OOA/S) later.

Thanks for the help. ^^

*off topic*

The TMC/FSA/FS thing, i dont think you're right there. in the prologue it says

Long ago in the inner reaches of Hyrule, an evil wind sorcerer known as Vaati began kidnapping beautiful young maidens, one after another. Nobody could stop Vaati, and the people of Hyrule despaired.

Then, a brave young wanderer carrying a single sword appeared. When the young lad took out his sword, he split into four seperate beings. The legends say that these beings worked as one and defeated Vaati.

The wanderer, united once again, imprisoned Vaati deep in Hyrule and sealed the prison with his own sword. This place became known as the Realm of the Four Sword. (The Minish Cap, dont ask about the maidens, i dont know where that came from, lol)

After that, a long time passed...

Then the wind sorcerer Vaati broke out of his prison, and snatched Princess Zelda of Hyrule. Zelda's childhood friend, a young boy named Link, claimed the strange power of the Four Sword, and fought Vaati fiercely. In the end, he succeeded in sealing Vaati away once again. (this is most definatally FS, where Vaati snatched Zelda right before Links eyes)

And so peace was restored to Hyrule. Or so everyone thought...

Vaati was locked away twice before, first in TMC, where the hero split up in 4 and locked Vaati away, and secondly in FS, where he broke free and kidnapped the Princess, and was locked away yet again.

And after that, FSA starts, where he breaks free once more. so I think it is TMC-FS-FSA. I dont really know where to put FS and FSA, but TMC is probably set before OOT

Reamia: The manual of LA says:

"Though you fulfilled the Hyrulian Prophecy of the Legendary Hero and destroyed the evil tyrant Ganon, the land of Hyrule enjoyed only a precarious peace."

LttP has Link destroying Ganon, and it also has Link fulfilling the prophecy of the Legendary Hero. The Oracles don't mention this prophecy at all.

LA Link is LttP Link.



Also, your point about Link having had to encountered the Nightmares to Dream them up is moot - it is the Windfish's dream, not Link's. And there are many things in that dream that are not in the Oracles, like the owl. Of course, even if it was Link's dream, Link encountered all but Dethl's final form in LttP, so it would support the LttP link more than the Oracles.

I think he still might think that because it seems like it could be that the Oracle Link is the younger form of A Link to the Past Link. Like he's the same Link...just when he's 13 or 14...

Though you've proven that false now

Ok , Lttp Link is the Same Link in LA but not in the Oracles because Zelda and Link meet for the first time in the Oracles proving that it cannot be the same link as they met in AlttP.

Corsair, true there may be no correct timeline but you cannot say that they are all independent because in TWW , OoT is stated on several occasions.

The official art is pretty much irrelevant as the link's in the official art could have looked alike simply due to the fact they came out in immediate succession (LA right after AlttP) therefore, it could have just been that they had the same artist. The official art is nothing to base a timeline theory on. Sorry.

If you take the multiple Link theory, then it doesn't matter what age he is in any of the stories except those that the same Link is in two games. He could be young once, and then 100 years later, a different Link is older when he must save himself/Zelda.

HERe is my ENTIRE timeline

TMC
ocarina of time
majoras mask
alttp
LA
OOC
2005(u saw the rain scene)
windwaker
LOZ
AOL
FSA(fs is more like a demo for this game)