Legend of ________ [MANY SPOILERS AHOY AND AN ADULT THEME]

(Title is Legend of Incesta, ten points for guessing what this thread is about)

First of all - This isn't a Troll topic! I was genuinely just wondering about this. There are a lot spoilers across many LoZ games and I'll tag them were appropriate so read with care! You'll need to have played the games really because I don't want to spoil any Zelda game for anyone. The spoiler tags are for folk who tread on this thread (POETRY) in passing.

In Skyward Sword it is very very heavily implied there is a romantic relationship between Link and Zelda. Lovely. At the end of Skyward Sword when Link and Zelda are on the surface and the Loftwings ascend they hold hands. Now, we all know what this means, we can assume Link and Zelda eventually procreate if the relationship turns out all fine and Dandy and to tell you the truth, it is a cute love story.

Now I'm not sure whether there is solid evidence although it is implied by Demises' curse at the end of SS making the three forever repeat the turmoil but we can assume some Links are descendants of SS Link and potentially Zelda. In every Zelda game there isn't really a romantic relationship between Zelda and Link but in The Adventure of Link, kind of OoT, the Oracle games, kind of WW, Phantom Hourglass, TP and Spirit Tracks a relationship is implied.

The implication of the romance is that there is a hint of incest with in that. Obviously it's just a game and I might be reading too much into it (damn caffeine) but SS implies that if a reproducing relationship occured between Zelda and Link that future Links may be from royal descent.

I don't really think this deserved to be in the Theory thread because I'm just questioning whether I've got my facts right and hopefully some of you can clear this whole business up for me.

I don't think all of the Links are direct descendants of SS Link and Zelda. Even if some were from royal descent, their link is from decades ago. Thousands of years ago. I don't see why that should be considered incest.

Also... since when is any relationship between Link and Zelda implied in TP? They barely even talk to each other.

Originally Posted by lulles

Also... since when is any relationship between Link and Zelda implied in TP? They barely even talk to each other.

You're right communication between the two is limited, but there is a moment when Zelda receives the Light Arrows and asks Link for help in defeating Ganondorf, Link holds her hand to let her know he'll help. Whether it's a friendly or romantic gesture is obviously debatable but there are obviously romantic implication from hand-holding.

Sorry I ignored your first paragraph!

Originally Posted by lulles

I don't think all of the Links are direct descendants of SS Link and Zelda. Even if some were from royal descent, their link is from decades ago. Thousands of years ago. I don't see why that should be considered incest.

Again, you're right and any future potential 'matings' between the two would be between a pair that are very, very loosely related but nonetheless it's still incest. I said in my post not all Links are descendants and it's difficult to define who is and isn't but some Links are potential descendants of SS Link.

Well, I wouldn't necessarily consider it incest as far as genetics go, but I think it's probably more like, uhm... their souls, since they reincarnate together, their souls remember that they love each other, so they keep going back to each other.

Not to mention Demise's curse that permanently binds them all together.

Originally Posted by Snurtlicious

Well, I wouldn't necessarily consider it incest as far as genetics go, but I think it's probably more like, uhm... their souls, since they reincarnate together, their souls remember that they love each other, so they keep going back to each other.

Not to mention Demise's curse that permanently binds them all together.

So basically, they kind of are but they kind of aren't?

I think it would fall more under the category of: their souls are related in the metaphysical sense, but their bodies aren't.

I mean, it could be incest.

The ancient egyptians were incestual in the royal family to keep the bloodline pure.

ZeLink makes me mad .

Don't care if it's canon, it's not in my book.

ZeLink isn't even that common. It's only there in MC, ST, technically in WW/PH, and possibly more. In OoT, MaLink is more likely.

Sorry, got a bit off track, I love a good romance argument.

So, in my biased opinion, I would say that their 'love' doesn't reincarnate with them. The roles are reincarnated, but the minds aren't.

Who gives a ♥♥♥♥? They are several generations apart. All humans are related too, you know?

As I see it, Zelda is always a part of the same royal bloodline, but Link is just reincarnated every time, meaning that every Link would be unrelated to eachother, so incest wouldn't really be possible.

That, and I don't see a single ZeLink pairing as canon, except for SS, and we don't know how that ended up (for all we know, Link got bored of Zelda the next week and left her for the item-storage girl at the Skyloft bazaar )

So nah, no incest.

Originally Posted by SkullDude

Who gives a ♥♥♥♥? They are several generations apart. All humans are related too, you know?

This. It's not like Link's dating his sister who was born the day after him.

Originally Posted by Cow

That, and I don't see a single ZeLink pairing as canon, except for SS, and we don't know how that ended up (for all we know, Link got bored of Zelda the next week and left her for the item-storage girl at the Skyloft bazaar )

Yeah, I don't see any canon ZeLink pairings besides SS, not even in OoT.

i don't think any of the other Links are decendants of SS Link but I think all the Zeldas are descendants of the SS Zelda. That makes it not incest.

Have you ever seen the cartoon Avatar: The Last Airbender? Each Avatar shares the same spirit but is reincarnated into a different body/DNA pool. That is how Link is portrayed. Same Hero Spirit, different bodies not always related to each other.

Zelda, however, is every time a blood decedent of SS Zelda.

Link is never born into the Royal Family but as a Knight/decedent of the Knights or some random country bumpkin that happens to be friends with Zelda. The generations between the games that have the tiniest hint of ZeLink are so far between that what constitutes as incest is non-existent.

Originally Posted by lulles

I don't think all of the Links are direct descendants of SS Link and Zelda. Even if some were from royal descent, their link is from decades ago. Thousands of years ago. I don't see why that should be considered incest.

Also... since when is any relationship between Link and Zelda implied in TP? They barely even talk to each other.

Yeah, Link is implied to have a relationship with Ilia, hence why he spends so long trying to get her memory back.

Originally Posted by Cow

As I see it, Zelda is always a part of the same royal bloodline, but Link is just reincarnated every time, meaning that every Link would be unrelated to eachother, so incest wouldn't really be possible.

But then again...why does the Hero Shade say "Farewell my child" or something like that after Link has learnt all the Hidden Skills?

Right! I've been fairly occupied today and all the time zones and stuff has given me a lot of replies to reply to, obviously some responses will be quite similar because some folk have essentially said the same thing as other folk. No matter, here we go-go-go.

Originally Posted by Snurtlicious

I think it would fall more under the category of: their souls are related in the metaphysical sense, but their bodies aren't.

I mean, it could be incest.

The ancient egyptians were incestual in the royal family to keep the bloodline pure.

Is there belief of continuity in peoples souls in the Zelda universe? Obviously souls get mentioned a lot in Zelda games but it's not been confirmed or denied in relation to the ... relations between the Links, it can't be coincidence that they all look fairly similar.

Originally Posted by Red Shadows

ZeLink makes me mad .

Don't care if it's canon, it's not in my book.

ZeLink isn't even that common. It's only there in MC, ST, technically in WW/PH, and possibly more. In OoT, MaLink is more likely.

Sorry, got a bit off track, I love a good romance argument.

So, in my biased opinion, I would say that their 'love' doesn't reincarnate with them. The roles are reincarnated, but the minds aren't.

I like your comment but it doesn't have much with the reincarnated Links and Zeldas potentially going at it. If they are related, despite the level of incest being fairly low it's still technically incest.

Originally Posted by SkullDude

Who gives a ♥♥♥♥? They are several generations apart. All humans are related too, you know?

Like I said I was just wondering, don't get your sally whites in a twist sunshine. And all humans are potentially related, for all we know there could have been developments in apes all across the world in the same time period hence our people have predominate presence on good ol' Earth prior to the invention of large ships and airplanes. But alas, you've made me go off topic.

Originally Posted by Cow

As I see it, Zelda is always a part of the same royal bloodline, but Link is just reincarnated every time, meaning that every Link would be unrelated to eachother, so incest wouldn't really be possible.

That, and I don't see a single ZeLink pairing as canon, except for SS, and we don't know how that ended up (for all we know, Link got bored of Zelda the next week and left her for the item-storage girl at the Skyloft bazaar )

So nah, no incest.

The problem is that it's never been officially confirmed in regard to whether all the Links are related or unrelated. I've always held the belief that all Links hold some relation to previous Links hence my query regarding incest. And like you said we don't know whether or not the romance between Link and Zelda blossomed post-SS, personally I think it did because Link's adventure in SS was basically to get his woman back, if I'd travelled the lands and skies above Hyrule and killed countless monsters I'd try my hardest in the relationship. But as we all know, Link can be a bit of a playa. I think the vendor girls interest in Link is fairly one-sided.

Originally Posted by amladeus

i don't think any of the other Links are decendants of SS Link but I think all the Zeldas are descendants of the SS Zelda. That makes it not incest.

Like I said before, it's not confirmed or denied whether or not the Link's are related or not, personally I think there is a slight relation between the Links.

Originally Posted by Jwal

Have you ever seen the cartoon Avatar: The Last Airbender? Each Avatar shares the same spirit but is reincarnated into a different body/DNA pool. That is how Link is portrayed. Same Hero Spirit, different bodies not always related to each other.

Zelda, however, is every time a blood decedent of SS Zelda.

Link is never born into the Royal Family but as a Knight/decedent of the Knights or some random country bumpkin that happens to be friends with Zelda. The generations between the games that have the tiniest hint of ZeLink are so far between that what constitutes as incest is non-existent.

What you said at the end is essentially what I've been saying in regard to how small the incest would be if it did exist. Sorry I've never seen Avatar, thought you were on about Dragonball Z for some reason but Avatar was a bit after my time.

Originally Posted by Toby

Like I said I was just wondering, don't get your sally whites in a twist sunshine. And all humans are potentially related, for all we know there could have been developments in apes all across the world in the same time period hence our people have predominate presence on good ol' Earth prior to the invention of large ships and airplanes. But alas, you've made me go off topic.

Mitochondrial DNA disagrees with you.

Originally Posted by SkullDude

Mitochondrial DNA disagrees with you.

Not sure whether to Google that or pretend that I know what it is...

Give me two seconds.

Right, I'm no Science buff in any aspect but Mitochondrial DNA is thought to be of evolutionary origin. My post wasn't disregarding evolution it was citing multiple occurances of evolution during a similar time period. Apes aren't exclusive to Africa, some have origins in Asia and I think I think there were/are some with origins in South America.

Incest would explain why Link is so damaged that he can't talk.

Originally Posted by DWGM

Incest would explain why Link is so damaged that he can't talk.

He does talk.


You just don't notice it much in games like OoT and MM. But in WW, TP and SS it is clear that he does speak.

There is 0 romantic relationship between Link and Zelda in TP. Holding hands back then most likely meant something different. I see in no way a romantic relationship with Zelda being implied in that game. As for SS, Link or Zelda could have died before intercourse occured.

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