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Old 08-12-2004, 03:43 AM
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A thought...

Has anyone ever thought before that maybe the Hero of Time's death is what weakened the seal for Ganondorf in the sacred realm and he was released from his prison?
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Re: A thought...

I assume you are talking about WW so,
No, as it was the sages that created the seal and as long as they had decendants the seal would hold, but it seems that in WW it seems that there are no sages guarding Ganon's seal, and only 2 maintaining the Master Sword's seal on Ganon, so it can't have been that hard to break free.
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Old 08-12-2004, 06:15 AM
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Re: A thought...

Um.. No.. I'm talking about the gap in between Majora's Mask and WW. Not just WW itself.

Another thought:

Why is it only Ganondorf is immortal? It seems like it'd be right that whoever has a piece of the Triforce, couldn't die, and not just Ganondorf.
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Old 08-12-2004, 06:44 AM
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Re: A thought...

Well this is how I would answer your question, but actually this is just a theory idea that was made by www.zeldalegends.net

How did Ganondorf escape from Hyrule prior to TWW, and why did it take so long?

Ganondorf was able to create a portal in his Tower, which led to the world above. This portal leads to the Forsaken Fortress, which is presumably why Ganondorf set up his base of operations there. You can open this portal yourself by solving a puzzle in Ganon's Tower. When you do, the King of Red Lions says, "I see... So this is the portal through which Ganon was able to seep into the unsuspecting world above. Link, we shall make use of this path that Ganon created for himself."

Why did Ganon wait for centuries to escape, if all he had to do was create a portal? The answer is that he probably didn't have a choice. Ganondorf's body, and most of his power, was frozen in time when the gods flooded Hyrule. Being frozen in time has a way of keeping you from doing things the way you normally do. It can be thought that, even though Ganondorf's body was frozen, his mind was not, or it figured out out to unfreeze itself. It can also be thought that one's soul is in a way outside of time, so freezing time will not affect this part of the soul. So, it seems that it took centuries for Ganondorf to teach himself to create a portal to the world above with only the powers of his mind. He may not have been able to even use the Triforce of Power. The fact that it took centuries to achieve this should indicate that this is not an easy feat, even for somebody as powerful as Ganondorf.

As far as Ganondorf living so long, well I believe one of his wishes on the Triforce was immortality, of course you would have to understand my timeline theory to get that as well.
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Re: A thought...

Kind of hard do that when his Tower was destroyed.
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Re: A thought...

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Um.. No.. I'm talking about the gap in between Majora's Mask and WW. Not just WW itself.

Another thought:

Why is it only Ganondorf is immortal? It seems like it'd be right that whoever has a piece of the Triforce, couldn't die, and not just Ganondorf.
As am I,the sages eem to have just dies off, no record of them, so why not at any time after OoT?
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Re: A thought...

I thought the Sages were immortal, too?
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Old 08-12-2004, 08:03 AM
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Re: A thought...

I think what the person meant when they wrote that was that Ganondorf erected himself out of the frozen castle of Hyrule, or perhaps a tower he made after he escaped from the sacred realm and started burning everything down. I don't think he meant the fallen castle. I never really depicted the sages as immortal, I figured that they just lived the normal life span of how ever long, thier race lives. That is how I feel about it though, but Saria is immortal, but once she ventured out of the forest, in which she did, then I believe that she lost her immortality.
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Old 08-12-2004, 11:08 PM
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Re: A thought...

Ganon was never trapped in the ruined castle, he was in the sacred realm, and that is where he escaped from. I pretty much agree with The Main Man.
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Re: A thought...

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I think what the person meant when they wrote that was that Ganondorf erected himself out of the frozen castle of Hyrule, or perhaps a tower he made after he escaped from the sacred realm and started burning everything down. I don't think he meant the fallen castle. I never really depicted the sages as immortal, I figured that they just lived the normal life span of how ever long, thier race lives. That is how I feel about it though, but Saria is immortal, but once she ventured out of the forest, in which she did, then I believe that she lost her immortality.
You meen ejected I dont want to know what you meen by erected if I'm not right...

I figure it just took an exceedingly great amount of time and resources to break the seel of the seven wise men. In aLttP, he had to use outside(as in light world) influence in order to escape(aghamin)[or atleast come close to it].
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Re: A thought...

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I thought the Sages were immortal, too?
Those same sages who were killed by Ganondorf (Laruto etc.), who are not alive from one game to the next?
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Old 08-13-2004, 08:30 AM
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Re: A thought...

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Ganondorf's body, and most of his power, was frozen in time when the gods flooded Hyrule
or perhaps time was just moving incredibly slowly, so it took hundreds of years to just get to his own portal
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Re: A thought...

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Those same sages who were killed by Ganondorf (Laruto etc.), who are not alive from one game to the next?
Who might I ask is Laruto?
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Old 08-14-2004, 05:19 AM
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Re: A thought...

Laruto is the sage that Ganon killed in WW, whose goal was to keep the Master Sword Evil-repelling.
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Old 08-14-2004, 06:00 AM
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Re: A thought...

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You meen ejected I dont want to know what you meen by erected if I'm not right...

I figure it just took an exceedingly great amount of time and resources to break the seel of the seven wise men. In aLttP, he had to use outside(as in light world) influence in order to escape(aghamin)[or atleast come close to it].
Actually I mean erected, as in the Great Seas was above them, and Ganondorf was trying to erect himself to the top of the seas, away from the base of Hyrule's Castle. However, ejected would have sound better, and maybe people wouldn't have gotten dirty thoughts lingering in thier heads if I would have.
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Old 08-14-2004, 07:57 AM
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Re: A thought...

tma: If you don't even know who Laruto is, I'm assuming that you haven't even played TWW, as she is a major player in that game. Therefore, you can't really make theories about TWW, unless you have beaten it.
Anyway, I think that Ganon's seal has always managed to deteriorate over time: think of TLoZ. Before TLoZ, I believe these games occurred in order- ALttP, FSA, OoS/OoA, and LA. Therefore, in the Oracle games, Ganon was sealed again. However, in TLoZ, his seal must have broken, so he was able to capture Zelda. His seal was also broken from the transition from TWW to ALttP, from OoT to TWW, from ALttP to FSA (by Vaati), and from FSA to OoS/A (by Twinrova). I'm not sure of the cirumstances of his revivals, but the point is it is fairly common.
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Re: A thought...

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tma: If you don't even know who Laruto is, I'm assuming that you haven't even played TWW, as she is a major player in that game. Therefore, you can't really make theories about TWW, unless you have beaten it.
Anyway, I think that Ganon's seal has always managed to deteriorate over time: think of TLoZ. Before TLoZ, I believe these games occurred in order- ALttP, FSA, OoS/OoA, and LA. Therefore, in the Oracle games, Ganon was sealed again. However, in TLoZ, his seal must have broken, so he was able to capture Zelda. His seal was also broken from the transition from TWW to ALttP, from OoT to TWW, from ALttP to FSA (by Vaati), and from FSA to OoS/A (by Twinrova). I'm not sure of the cirumstances of his revivals, but the point is it is fairly common.

No offense, but get your facts strait. The whole purpose of aLttP was to prevent ganon from fully breaking the seal. Remember why he needed to rescue the maidens??? It was so that Ganon could not sacrifice them(or rather use their 'life force') in order to break the seal.

-------for the main topic...
The whole idea is that in order for Ganon to destroy the seal or to reincarnate himself, He's always needed to do the following things: Throw the world into Chaos, Sacrifice someone. Both of theses elements are present in aLttP, and the Oracle series. Many people were speculataing that Ganon could not move or was in suspended animation while in the Sacred realm however I find this completely unreasonable. In aLttP, Ganon was VERY capable of movement. In fact the final battle in that game took place in the Dark world.(or Golden Land or Sacred Realm if you prefer) I tend to feal that while Ganon was imprissoned in this realm, he was fully capable of movement and thought, that he posessed his full power. As I said before though, in order for him to free himself he needed to accomplish extrordinary feats with outside influence, which based on his circumstances would be quite dificult. I feal that the doubts arouse by tWW will be further cleared up in the GCN game released next year, and that they will follow very closely to what I have said.
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Re: A thought...

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tma: If you don't even know who Laruto is, I'm assuming that you haven't even played TWW, as she is a major player in that game. Therefore, you can't really make theories about TWW, unless you have beaten it.
No, I haven't played it. Considering I don't have a GAMECUBE. Oh, and if I can type, I can make a theory.
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Old 08-15-2004, 03:51 AM
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Re: A thought...

Ganondorf says at the very end of Oot, "As long as I have the triforce of power in my hand..." Meaning that he does have his triforce piece in the sacred realm, and im figuring that he plans on using it to get out of anywhere he's stuck.
He also says, "Some day when this seal is broken, that is when i will exterminate your descendants!" We know he was out before the flooding, and nobody knows what happend durring that time besides that it was chaos. Chaos could be Ganondorf killing the descendants, I mean Ganondorf just said that he would, what matters is whether he succeded or not. And having thousands of pounds of water that the gods sent dumped on your head, I think that it would take anyone a long time and effort to get out of that.

So no, I don't think Links death could have weakend the seal to the sacred realm.
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