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Old 07-09-2004, 06:49 AM
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What Race is Agahim?
What Race Is Onox?

And If On The Gerudos A Man Is Born Evry 100 Years That Means Ganondorf Is Being Borned Evry 100 Years Or What Im Confused :confused:
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Old 07-09-2004, 10:13 AM
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Agahnim is Ganons alter ego

And Ganondorf is the same ganon in all the games, the Gerudos were only
in Oot and Ha (MM was not in Hyrule). So after this no more Gerudos
existed, or at least had no major roles in any games.

And Onox is just a dark dragon, which you would have known if you had looked
at the thread called, Onox: A Gerudo?
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Old 07-09-2004, 10:49 AM
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Onox is a monster. And Agahnim is a Hylian or Hyrulian.

Agahnim's exact nature is unknown, but he couldn't have been Ganon, since he moved freely throughout the Dark World.
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Old 07-09-2004, 11:08 AM
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Re: Question About ...

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And Onox is just a dark dragon, which you would have known if you had looked
at the thread called, Onox: A Gerudo?
Sanguine is right,WeeZel. If you only scrolled down a little further, you would have found the thread (BTW, this thread and "Onox:A Gerudo?" is in the same forum). To make it even easier for you, here's a link to the thread, Onox: A Gerudo?

Well that takes care of Onox, now for Agahnim. Like l-o-s said:
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And Agahnim is a Hylian or Hyrulian.
I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that Agahnim is a Hylian gone bad. He was trusted by the Royal Family for years, and then he turned on them. Now you may be asking why would he be considered a Hylian. My guess is because Hylians are the only race that use magic. Now you may counter with the fact: " Ganondorf uses magic, and he is a Gerudo", that is true, but Ganon is channeling his powers through Agahnim, and that's how he got enough power to control the palace gaurds. I usually think that Ganondorf and Agahnim were just puppets of Ganon. Just a body which he could control until he can escape from his prison (the Dark Realm). I hope that made sence.

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Old 07-09-2004, 12:02 PM
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Agahnim is NOT a Hylain or Hyrulian.
Observe:

"I never imagined a boy like you could give me so much trouble.
It's unbelievable that you defeated my alterego, Agahnim, the dark wizard
twice!
But I will never give you the Triforce. I will destroy you, and make my wish to
conquer both light and dark worlds come true without delay".
- Ganon

Also, Agahnim clearly turns into Ganon after the fight.

Unless you have actual proof (in game quotes, manual quotes, etc.)
then all you have is fanfiction. :confused:

And since the seal was broken it could have bean possible for ganon to
escape into the light world, and move freely in the dark world.
And the "pupet" theory is all good, but where is the proof?
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Old 07-09-2004, 12:29 PM
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I always thought that Aghnam was a hylian wizard turned evil by ganon to help him take over Hyrule
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Old 07-09-2004, 01:14 PM
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Ok, I have looked at the american and japanese version of the manual,
and still cannot find any references to Agahnim being a Hylain.

The manuals say Agahnim appeard suddenly, and became the kings advisor,
then he took over hyrule. The American manual says he killed the king.
The American manual also says he's a wizard, the Japanese says a priest.

But still nothing that says he's a Hylain.
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Old 07-09-2004, 02:24 PM
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I said he's probably a Hylian or Hyrulian, because those are the only two races that they have in LttP, and it think it would be noteworthy if he wasn't either of them.

And I have always considered the alter-ego thing a translation inconsistency, since it doesn't make any sense. Until I have proof otherwise, I will continue to believe so.
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Old 07-09-2004, 04:05 PM
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Perhaps you could have said why the "alter ego thing" makes no sense?

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And I have always considered the alter-ego thing a translation inconsistency, since it doesn't make any sense.
Blaming it on poor translation is fine, but again where is the evidence?
And actually the Japanese version supports my theory, its the American
version that says Agahnim is ganons pawn, however the American and
Japanese version of the game both say Agahnim is Ganon, or is his alter ego.


Quote:
Until I have proof otherwise, I will continue to believe so.
If proof is what you desire, perhaps you should read my previous posts.
How can you dismiss my ideas, when your own are baseless?

And how would you explain Agahnim turning into ganon (surely not bad translation ?)
As even if he was using Agahnims body, it would still be Ganon.

Also I am perplexed by your first post,


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Agahnim's exact nature is unknown, but he couldn't have been Ganon, since he moved freely throughout the Dark World.
Why would Ganon be unable to move freely in the dark world?
The seal was broken so it is posible ganon was able to move not only
in the dark world but also the light.
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Old 07-09-2004, 04:10 PM
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If you look at the sprite of ahganim,

you can cleerly see at times his face is a skull, so this would give reason to belive tha t he is neither Hylain or Hyrulian, but rather a creation Ganon made using the triforce, or so is my theory
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Old 07-09-2004, 08:22 PM
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Re: Question About ...

Hmmm I don't have proof (and I know that's what you want Sanguine) but...since Agahimn wears a burka (I know burkas are for women, but I don't know how to call his "cloak") and burkas are usually worn in the deserts so sand won't hit the body...is it possible that Agahimn is part of the Zuna tribe? The Zuna tribe is the newest race mentioned in FSA. In the game it was shown that there are males in that tribe, and in the past some people of mistaken Agahimn for a Gerudo. I'm just considering the possibility that Agahimn is part of the Zuna tribe (whom are close related to the Gerudos).

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Old 07-09-2004, 09:08 PM
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Heh. Bah, you're right, Sanguine. Had this argument taken place a few yearsback, I wouild have had counterpoints, but... I seem to have forgotten them over the years. They must not have ben particularly good in the first place
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Old 07-09-2004, 10:02 PM
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I don't think that agahnim was turned evil but I think that he made himself famous and then when he was trusted, overthrew the King.

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... Hoever, strange things have been happening in Hyrule since the appearance of Agahnim, a mysterious sorcere who gained fame for extinguishing a devistating blaze of unknown origin some years ago.
I think that Agahnim was always working for Ganon had everything planned but wasn't expecting Link. Aghanim was the one who started the blaze so he could become close to the King.
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Old 07-10-2004, 01:39 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanguine
Agahnim is NOT a Hylain or Hyrulian.
Observe:

"I never imagined a boy like you could give me so much trouble.
It's unbelievable that you defeated my alterego, Agahnim, the dark wizard
twice!
But I will never give you the Triforce. I will destroy you, and make my wish to
conquer both light and dark worlds come true without delay".
- Ganon

Also, Agahnim clearly turns into Ganon after the fight.

Unless you have actual proof (in game quotes, manual quotes, etc.)
then all you have is fanfiction. :confused:

And since the seal was broken it could have bean possible for ganon to
escape into the light world, and move freely in the dark world.
And the "pupet" theory is all good, but where is the proof?
Remember that agahnim is the one that broke the seal, and he was trusted by the king for deeds he did before the seal was broken, thus he was roaming freely long before the seal was broken, this means that agahnim cannot be the same entity as ganon. He is most likely a puppet ganon type being created by ganon, or a being simply being controlled by ganon.

also when you defeat agahnim he does not turn into ganon, he clearly falls over dead and then ganon apears as a bat saying how suprised he is that you beat agahnim twice. Think about it, if agahnim was infact ganon, he would have been pissed, like when you beat ganondorf.
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Old 07-10-2004, 04:48 AM
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Ok I could possibly go with Ganon using Agahnims body, but this would
have to start as soon as Agahnim appeard.
Thus, Ganon would control Agahnim and so might still refer to him as his alterego.
But this still seems to much like fanfiction.

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also when you defeat agahnim he does not turn into ganon, he clearly falls over dead and then ganon apears as a bat saying how suprised he is that you beat agahnim twice. Think about it, if agahnim was infact ganon, he would have been pissed, like when you beat ganondorf.
He appears from Agahnim, he dosen't just appear.
And, as I said before, Ganon says he was suprised that you beat his alterego twice.
And he did seem rather pissed when he said he would destroy Link and
conquer the light world.
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Old 07-10-2004, 08:57 AM
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also when you defeat agahnim he does not turn into ganon, he clearly falls over dead and then ganon apears as a bat saying how suprised he is that you beat agahnim twice. Think about it, if agahnim was infact ganon, he would have been pissed, like when you beat ganondorf.
I just wish Agahimn would speak (at least once) without being controlled by Ganon. If we could understand what he would say, we could find out if he always had good intentions before he was possesed by Ganon, had bad intentions once Ganon took control, or if Agahimn was always an empty body with no soul for it to control (Ganon). Since it did say that Agahimn was a wizzard that appeared from nowhere and did the king's requests, I think Ganon somehow materialized Agahimn in the Light World, while he is still imprisoned in the Dark World. He didn't have enough power to break completely through the Dark World Prison, but just enough to cast two spells. 1 to make a wizzard, and 2. To transfer his soul/spirit into the empty body.

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