The Conduit - Yes or No?

Originally Posted by Alex

Too bad Halo 3 was the best game in the series.

I have to disagree with you there. Combat Evolved (PC Ver.) is the best, in my humble opinion.

Originally Posted by Forte

I have to disagree with you there. Combat Evolved (PC Ver.) is the best, in my humble opinion.

Agreed.

Halo 2 was the worst, Halo CE was the best, and Halo 3 is in between. None of the above are really all that spectacular though. It's just that Halo 2 is set up with such a casual mentality in mind, with the removal of fall damage, extremely quick recharging shields, auto-aim, and unlimited charge for the energy sword. Even Unreal feels less casual, and that's saying a lot, as Unreal is no Half-Life or Descent.

Originally Posted by Alex

Bungie needs to make a Wii game.

A new Marathon or something.

Valve would be best.

Originally Posted by Rajin

Valve would be best.

Except Valve can't make a good console game. They're best at making PC games.

Originally Posted by Dread

Except Valve can't make a good console game. They're best at making PC games.

They're valve they can do what ever the hell they want.

Originally Posted by Rajin

They're valve they can do what ever the hell they want.

Valve makes overrated garbage like Team Fortress 2 and Left 4 Dead. Not to mention Half-Life. =\

I would like to try this game, but its disappointing that it apparently has hardly anything going for it besides its controls. Too many FPS games are too much the same, and I don't think I'm ready to shell out $50 for a game that, structually, is worse than the millions that are always out. Between Resistance, Resistance 2, and CoD5, I'm already sick of shooters on my PS3. I guess this one won't really change my mind.

Valve would be best.

I'd love to see what VALVe could do with a Wii endeavour. (Specificity the HL/TF team, not the CS/L4D team.) Their creativity and attention to detail could lead to some interesting Wii shooters.

Except Valve can't make a good console game. They're best at making PC games.

That's because they make shooters. Shooters don't work on consoles, silly.

Originally Posted by Alex

Valve makes overrated garbage like Team Fortress 2 and Left 4 Dead. Not to mention Half-Life. =\

You kids and your casual point and click space marine shooters. Now run along, as us grown-ups play our grown-up games.

Originally Posted by 8bit

That's because they make shooters. Shooters don't work on consoles, silly.

Hm.. how do you explain Halo, Red Faction and Goldeneye? Or I could just say Bioshock and end the entire argument.


I, myself, consider controllers way more comfortable the traditional mouse and keyboard.


And while I used to be hooked to Counterstrike when it was released for a few years (so you know I'm not biased) I consider Halo 3 the current reigning multiplayer FPS champion, with no PC shooters, even TF2, coming within 10 lightyears of being anywhere near as good.

Valve makes overrated garbage like Team Fortress 2 and Left 4 Dead. Not to mention Half-Life. =\

You know, I used to agree with you on that. But then I got bored of my 360, got a decent PC and now I can say that those games are really great - on PC, anyway. You've only played the ugly, buggy and unsupported versions of Valve games, so of course you'd still think that.

Seriously, you may not think there'd be a huge difference, but really it's night and day.

Originally Posted by Alex

Not to mention Half-Life. =\

The Half-Life series and it's expansions are some of the sexiest games ever made on PC. Say something like that again and I'll sever your balls.

Originally Posted by Radek

Hm.. how do you explain Halo, Red Faction and Goldeneye?

I already did.

Or I could just say Bioshock and end the entire argument.

You mean the console version of Bioshock, or the superior PC version?

I, myself, consider controllers way more comfortable the traditional mouse and keyboard.

Then use a controller. The thing about PCs is that you can use any controller that you want. From keyboard/mouse, to 360 controller, SNES controller, to PS3 controller, to WiiMote, to telepathy, to Guitar Hero guitar.

And while I used to be hooked to Counterstrike when it was released for a few years (so you know I'm not biased) I consider Halo 3 the current reigning multiplayer FPS champion, with no PC shooters, even TF2, coming within 10 lightyears of being anywhere near as good.

CS 1.3 had TF2 destroy Halo 3- there's no question, and HL1 is by far the best shooter ever.

Also, recharging shields = lolcasual

Originally Posted by Radek

The Half-Life series and it's expansions are some of the sexiest games ever made on PC. Say something like that again and I'll sever your balls.

Half-Life 2 is an amazing game, but it's also the most overrated game I've ever played.

Originally Posted by Alex

Half-Life 2 is an amazing game, but it's also the most overrated game I've ever played.

The first half-life, and the expansion 'Opposing Force' are much better than HL2, imo. Have you played them? (On PC, of course, as the console version of HL sucks.)

Originally Posted by 8bit

You mean the console version of Bioshock, or the superior PC version?

I consider them both equal. PC games don't really hold an advantage to PS3 or 360s these days. Those things are computers anyways.

CS 1.3 had TF2 destroy Halo 3- there's no question, and HL1 is by far the best shooter ever.

Also, recharging shields = lolcasual

No, the reason Halo multiplayer dominates all those is because of the shields. It adds a complete other dimension to the game. Monitoring and controlling the amount of damage you take while timing the return of health adds incredible depth to Halo 3 multiplayer. It also gives everyone converging on a battle equal opportunity and longer, more enjoyable firefights. If you want to play quick, traditional gameplayer, play Team Swat then, which features no shields and BRs.

Originally Posted by Radek

I consider them both equal. PC games don't really hold an advantage to PS3 or 360s these days. Those things are computers anyways.

More control options, better performance, and a better modding community?

No, the reason Halo multiplayer dominates all those is because of the shields. It adds a complete other dimension to the game. Monitoring and controlling the amount of damage you take while timing the return of health adds incredible depth to Halo 3 multiplayer. It also gives everyone converging on a battle equal opportunity and longer, more enjoyable firefights. If you want to play quick, traditional gameplayer, play Team Swat then, which features no shields and BRs.

The shields reduce the game to small scuffles, rather than the extended fire-fights of games like CounterStrike. Each encounter feels like a 'minigame', and the multiplayer experience is broken into three sections:

-Find weapons/items
-Hunt player (try to get behind opponent for combat advantage/oneshot)
-attack player
-hide behind wall
-repeat

With little derivation from the combat formula above.

A good map is simply one with lots of things to hide behind for a few seconds- Not one which forces the player to utilize all of its features.

While this does increase the amount of action you'll see, it also makes the experience a lot more casual. There's a lot less strategy, and it's a game anyone can simply pick up and play.

With a game like CounterStrike, the health and armor not only make firefights longer and kills more rewarding, but the lack of respawn makes the game a lot more punishing- meaning that the player is a far more on edge than they are playing games with respawn. Furthermore, the lack or recharging health means that a players actions and strategy are far more important, as you can't simply hide behind a rock and wait for your health to comeback.

Hey, moron, why don't you shut off recharging shields in the option menu, and then shut off respawning?

I know, I know, I'm a genius.

Originally posted by Alex
Hey, moron, why don't you shut off recharging shields in the option menu, and then shut off respawning?

I know, I know, I'm a genius.

Probably because most people don't play that way.

The greater issue is that rechargeable shields have practically become a norm in competitive shooters, and most of the time there's no options related to them.

We're talking about Halo. Where there's more options than any other console FPS. By far.

Yeah, and that's why it's one of the top of it's class.

Unfortunately, 95% of the genre this gen hasn't followed suit.