Playstation 3 Motion Controller + Eye Announced

Originally Posted by Double A

Better in terms of what?
1. Sony's MC will never have near as many owners as WM+, because of its inevitably higher price point, and the fact that Nintendo will have more first party (core and casual, the latter of which Nintendo OWNS) on it.

So never. In the entire time span of our universe. Will Sony's new motion control scheme have as many owners as the WM+. Ever.

YA. THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE NOW.

2. Zelda (and possibly Mario and Metroid) will make appearances on WM+ because it's part of Nintendo's plan. They will force WM+ conpatibility onto those games. With Sony, and I'm not saying that this is definite (just likely), the fact is that I believe that it's too risky to make games like God of War have a radically different control scheme which involves buying a seperate controller. This isn't so much an issue with WM+ because its relatively cheap. I also believe that this controller is not Sony's main priority.

The new control scheme for what we've seen with Zelda and Mario haven't been too different. Zelda I just waggled my controller to make Link attack, and moved my wiimote around to aim. Mario I just waggled for some stuff and aimed my wiimote around again to aim. I don't know what WM+ is entirely capable of, but Sony's MC looked a little cleaner than WM+. And not only that, but if Nintendo is totally going to redo the control scheme of these popular franchises now that it has better technology, how is that any less of a risk than Sony doing the same thing?

3. Since when has more advanced technology helped sell hardware? You're claiming that Sony has made some kind of revolution by making Wiimote + WM-plus, but only more precise.

Wait, I'll finish this post later, gotta take a bath.

"Only more precise"? Only? What the ****, it was amazingly precise and fast to respond. And advanced technology has always helped sell hardware. It helps sell everything. Why are people buying Blu Ray now? Why did people start buying DVD's? Why are people buying MP3 players now rather than Walkmans? Better technology is a selling point. That's just a fact.

Originally Posted by Lord Golbez

Better in terms of advancements in technology.

More advanced technology attracts new customers. People buy new TVs and computers when they start selling upgraded models. The same logic applies here.

And yet, Wii.

You're telling me that, just because Sony is releasing a better motion control, people will sell their Wiis and buy it?

I'm leaving this thread, because there are too many people against me. But do me one favour - remember my words: It is highly unlikely that the Dual Wands will see the same amount of success as the Wii and its Motionplus, regardless of how much better it is.

Originally Posted by Double A

And yet, Wii.

You're telling me that, just because Sony is releasing a better motion control, people will sell their Wiis and buy it?

No one's saying that. The main consensus here is that Sony and Microsoft's new additions to the motion control market will give Nintendo a run for it's money in the coming years.

Okay, I'm leaving now.

Here's a small present. I'm sure you have all seen it before. This is just to show that WM+ isn't as pathetic and unresponsive as you all seem to be telling me. Yehh, I know its not as good as the Wands, but its not pathetic.

Originally Posted by Double A

Okay, I'm leaving now.

Here's a small present. I'm sure you have all seen it before. This is just to show that WM+ isn't as pathetic and unresponsive as you all seem to be telling me.

Didn't seem to run as smooth as Sony's. The sword seemed to stay in one plane, the hilt seemed stationary as the rest of the sword moved. It ventured off from that a bit but it didn't seem as clean as Sony's.

And even if the WM+ comes out and is as good, which I'm not saying can't or won't happen, it's still stupid to say it can never be as successful as the Wii. Maybe not as successful this gen, but there's plenty more gens to come. It's stupid to say Sony or Microsoft's answers to Motion Control will never be as good or not surpass it.

Originally Posted by Double A

And you're telling me that this will somehow kill the Wii?

Nobody who cares about gaming gives a **** about sales. I didn't say they were going to kill the Wii, since I wouldn't know. I'm saying they're better than the Wii. In fact, I hope they don't kill the Wii, because they'd have to start making sucky games like Nintendo's third parties in order to do that, and even though that's good in your eyes, it isn't in mine.

1. School, exams, really busy

2. I didn't even watch any of the conferences. I just glanced at a couple of summaries.

Why are you even trying to argue this if you don't even know anything.

I am not butthurt that Sony copied WM+(x2) and that MS improved Eyetoy.

You don't deserve for me to reply past this point, but I will. Holy christ.

I believe that there is more potential in them than in the Wiimote+WM. It's just the business applied to them. If Sony puts this MC on the highest priority, then they have a chance. I am merely saying that I find it unlikely that Sony will put something as big as God of War on Dual Wand exclusive controls. I am also saying that if Sony does not get major first-party franchises on it, it will eventually flop in the eyes of the Hardcore.

Something that isn't entirely lack-minded. I disagree though. If it shows enough potential with 'current games' (that being in the future), it's a natural progression to use big titles with it. God of War would be outstanding with the Dual Wands. See: Floppy light saber example.

My point is that 3rd parties, for the most part, won't "jump on the bandwagon" if they don't see good sales on the Wands. Sony can, for the most part, provoke good sales with their first party lineup. However, I don't believe they will do it. If they did, they would most likely not take a risk and allow both Wand and classic controller compatibility. But look, do you really think that if this happened, would most of the God of War owners go out and buy another controller just to play this? Or would they just play it on the classic controller?

They wouldn't go and "buy another controller" for God of War IV, they'd go out and buy another controller because it looks ridiculously good.

I am not saying anything definitely, remember that. I am only speaking in terms of what I find most likely.

The problem is that you don't know. Watch the conferences.

Remember, Nintendo announced WM+ early, in anticipation for this. That is the entire reason for Nintendo's E3 2008. It also means that developers will be more familiar with WM+ by the time Sony and MS released their offerings.

It really doesn't matter. This isn't a very good example, but it's kind of like releasing Bratz Racing DS just before Gran Turismo PSP. Which are people going to buy more of? Perhaps the Bratz game. Which is better? Gran Turismo, by far.

Don't turn into a Nintendo pie chart and defend their now worse console and worse technology with sales.

EDIT: Oh lol, he left with that video I posted on these boards a while ago. That video looked impressive then, but it looks horrible when compared to the Sony conference's tech demo.

Not much new here, but according to GameSpot, some developers are already experimenting with the controller:

LOS ANGELES--When Microsoft unveiled its motion-sensing camera, Project Natal, at its E3 press event on Monday, it made a point of saying that software developer kits for the device were being sent out that day. Later, in an interview with GameSpot, Microsoft Game Studios head Phil Spencer revealed that the device had been shown to two top developers--Epic Games (Gears of War 2) and Bungie Studios (Halo 3: ODST)--who were experimenting with the technology.

When Sony showed off its own motion-sensing system--based on the PlayStation Eye, light-emitting diodes, and wireless controllers with buttons--it appeared to be at an earlier stage of development. Whereas Microsoft's Lionhead Studios had already created a mood-sensing interactive program called Milo, Sony had a more primitive (but still impressive) tech demo where objects were manipulated and foes were slain with virtual weapons.

Now, though, it appears Sony's motion-sensing efforts may be farther along than many thought. Speaking with GameSpot, Sony Computer Entertainment America senior vice president of marketing Peter Dille divulged that the technology--first revealed in a US Patent filing last fall--is already in developers' hands.

"We're a little bit past the research phase," he told GameSpot. "We're having conversations with the third-party community. The dev kits have started to go out to the third parties as well. They're working on the tech. They couldn't be more excited about it."

Good news! Can't wait to see what they do with it.

Some new information on the motion controller has hit the web:

Originally Posted by Kotaku

Sony Computer Entertainment reached out to its development partners today, getting them up to speed on the new PlayStation Eye-powered motion controller tech it showcased at E3 2009. It also expanded upon the details provided at the show.

The PlayStation 3's second motion control push is slated to launch in Spring 2010, Sony Computer Entertainment reiterated to developers today, arriving with a "range of first-party and third-party content." SCE pitched the new controller as capable of functioning "with any games across all genres from casual to core."

On the technical side, SCE says that the PlayStation Eye accessory will come equipped with force feedback rumble. Sony boasts that the "face-tracking and head-tracking capability already in the PS3 SDK" will offer developers "powerful tools for new types of user interaction."

Sony says its new controller will also work in tandem with the Eye's built-in microphone array for voice input and voice recognition. Up to four of the new motion controllers can be tracked at once by the PlayStation Eye.

Adding the wand controller to games comes at a horsepower cost, Sony notes, writing that the "motion-tracking library has some SPU overhead and has an impact on memory as well, although these will be minimized."

The developer targeted communication also indicates that Sony is "currently looking into the possibility" of combining motion control wand and stock PS3 controller functions, offering the example of "the motion controller as a sword and use DualShock 3 as a shield."

Sony did not express a price, firm launch date or plans to bundle the PlayStation Eye motion control accessory.

Sony is obviously pushing really hard with this technology, and it's also apparent that it is further along than Natal. Confirmation of four player support is a good thing, and force feedback will be a nice extra. Hopefully they'll cut down on the resource usage, because frankly, the PS3 doesn't have much RAM to spare. Maybe they could free up some more space with another firmware update again.

And it is worth mentioning that somebody on GAF noted that the Wand can do Z-tracking (in other words, depth tracking), through mathematical triangulation.

The problem is that Sony is absolutely ****ed with this if they don't get going on the PR side of things soon. Natal has been appearing all over the talk shows and news, and it's potentially a year and a half still away. I guess Sony might pull ahead when they launch their controller 3/4 of a year earlier, but Microsoft has been doing a really good job getting word on Natal out there.

Things are going to get real interesting for sure.
I hope Sony does a good job with this, as I think this is the more plausible of the two new motion controllers. Although like you said, hopefully it doesn't eat too many resources.

Sony has finally given a bit more backbone to their new motion controllers that will be working with the Playstation Eye. Enough in fact that it is starting to sound much more like a viable gaming platform than a half-assed attempt to keep up with the Joneses. The company caught its developing partners up to speed on the new gizmo and in so doing dropped a few details that had been missing from their E3 press conference.

The biggest bit of news that came out of it was that using the motion tracking tech is going to take a bit of processing power off the top as the "motion-tracking library has some SPU overhead and has an impact on memory as well, although these will be minimized." Sony also says that the controllers will include rumble and that the "face-tracking and head-tracking capability already in the PS3 SDK" will give developers "powerful tools for new types of user interaction."

Finally, in what can only be attempt to mimic the Wii more, Sony is looking into using the motion sensor and the SixAxis controller in tandem. They give the example of using the wand as a sword and the controller as a shield, I give the example of using the wand as a Wii Remote and the controller as a Nunchuck. Sony didn't drop a price or a launch date other then to reiterate the Spring 2010 window they had already stated.

Source: Destructoid

Not much to say really other than I don't think they should use Sixasis in conjunction with the wands. The wands are fine as they are, and doing that would just be plugging the controller in for the sake of not wasting its relatively weak motion control.

Wii to PS3/PS3 to Wii motion control ports to be easy-peasy.

Sony revealed its motion-sensing 'wand' controller at its press conference yesterday - and already it's revealed its plans to help developers get the most of the peripheral.

AiLive – company which co-developed the Wii MotionPlus together with Nintendo – will make its LiveMove 2 motion recognition software available for free to all licensed PS3 developers thanks to a new deal with Sony Computer Entertainment.

Developers can 'train' the software to understand key gestures, which can then be accurately recognised when performed by players, taking the burden of motion interpretation away from game teams.

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Where does this leave Natal? 1st-party and money-hatted exclusives only? Who knows.

Originally Posted by Raunm

"Only more precise"? Only? What the ****, it was amazingly precise and fast to respond. And advanced technology has always helped sell hardware. It helps sell everything. Why are people buying Blu Ray now? Why did people start buying DVD's? Why are people buying MP3 players now rather than Walkmans? Better technology is a selling point. That's just a fact.

I'm not here to bash the PS3 motion controller irrationally, but merely to point out that if your logic here applied, the sales of the PS3 and 360 wouldn't be as dwarfed as they currently are by the sales of the Wii.

If 1080p didn't help Sony trump Nintendo, who's to say that one-upping Nintendo with more expensive motion technology will change that?