A Third Game in the Fire Emblem Tellius Series?

I liked 7, and I've played a bit of 4 and liked what I saw of it. 9 disappointed me with its lack of interesting characters, and I didn't play 10 because it's a sequel to that game. 7 had memorable characters; Hector, Lyndis, Eliwood, Raven, Lucius, Ninian, Athos, etc. I can't remember most of 9's characters.

The only character I liked from 7 was Eliwood. Lyn was alright, I hated Hector, and the rest just didn't appeal to me. I hardly remember any of them.

FE9 and 10 had many memorable characters for me. Ike, Elincia, Boyd, Oscar, Mist, Titania, Shinon, Gatrie, Ranulf, Mordecai, Lethe, Lyre, Kyza, Skrimir, Tibarn, Naesala, Reyson, Rafiel, Leanne, Aimee, Zelgius, Nailah, etc.

Who are those guys listed below the awesome Blazing Sword cast?

Face it, Ranny, you're blinded by fangirlism. You refuse to accept that there are games other than games featuring Ike and Luigi because that's all you like. You refuse to branch out and like new things. Nobody's forcing you, but being this stubborn will get you nowhere in life.

Who are those guys you listed for the Blazing Sword cast?

And don't give me "you're just a fangirl" as a reason for me disliking the characters you like. I love a lot of games that don't include Ike and Luigi and I can list a lot of them for you.

Pokemon Platinum/Diamond/Pearl
Pokemon FireRed/LeafGreen
Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald
Pokemon Crystal
Pokemon Stadium 2
Pokemon Battle Revolution
Zelda: Twilight Princess
Zelda: The Minish Cap
Zelda: A Link to the Past
Zelda: Four Swords Adventures
Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword
Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones
Yoshi's Island
Wario Land: Shake It!
Medal of Honor: Allied Assault
Medal of Honor: Vanguard
Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe
Soul Calibur II
Age of Empires II Gold
Rise of Nations Gold
Zoo Tycoon 2 and expansion packs
Roller Coaster Tycoon 3 and expansion packs
Sims 2 and expansion packs

Look at that big list. There's a variety of different genres too, including adventure, platform, strategy, FPS, simulation, RPG, etc. I DO expand my range, Golbez. I DO open myself to new things that look interesting. Otherwise, I wouldn't play all those games.

Originally Posted by Lady Ranny

The only character I liked from 7 was Eliwood. Lyn was alright, I hated Hector, and the rest just didn't appeal to me. I hardly remember any of them.

;-;

Hated Hector?



But how could you hate this badassary?

As far as a third Ike game goes, I guess I wouldn't care.
I like Ike, if only for humorous reasons. I don't even really know why, but I find him hilarious. This is probably due to Smash Bros. (although that's not where I was first introduced to him). In his own game, though, man is he boring, like most of the characters. But at least they actually converse. *Shakes fist at Shadow Dragon DS*

Originally Posted by Lady Ranny

I hated Hector

*Spits beverage all over screen*

FE9 and 10 had many memorable characters for me. Ike, Elincia, Boyd, Oscar, Mist, Titania, Shinon, Gatrie, Ranulf, Mordecai, Lethe, Lyre, Kyza, Skrimir, Tibarn, Naesala, Reyson, Rafiel, Leanne, Aimee, Zelgius, Nailah, etc.

All of the characters bored me, especially random ones that aren't even involved in the story, like Gatrie. See, what I've noticed is that you ("you" in general, not "you, Ranil") start to get attached to characters in FE for seemingly no reason, even if they don't have a personality at all. This is usually because they become good units for you, or they look cool, or something. You then kinda "create" the character for them.

Also, about the only random character's name from 9 and 10 I bother remembering is Tauroneo, because he has the most stupidly fun name to say ever in video game history.
TAUUUUUUUUURONEOOOOO!!

Because he sucked for me. He was the first unit I lost when I got to Eliwood's story and he lost to a damn lance user yet. The lance was the reason I put him against the guy in the first place and Hector still got killed.

He has some pretty good strength going on there, I'll give you that.

Notsil: The only characters from FE9 and 10 that really bored me at all were the Dawn Brigade and Oliver. And I do have reasons for getting attached to characters. There are just too many characters to list them all.

Honestly, my favorite Fire Emblem game was the first one that got released over here on the GBA. All the ones since have been okay, but not spectacular. Also, in all honesty, I think Advance Wars made a better transition to console gaming(Battalion Wars) than Fire Emblem did, even though I doubt that opinion is shared by anyone here.

I still can't decide whether I like Advance Wars or Fire Emblem better.
I like building up your characters using the turn-based strategy system, but something about Advance Wars's goofy war demeanor and the ridiculously disposable nature of the units is also appealing.

Speaking of, I wonder what the next AW will be like. I haven't played DoR yet, but I wasn't fond of the mood jerk the series went through (and stupid changes to the unit names).
Ah, but now I'm straying way off.
So, er... if Ike is in another game, the story had better actually be interesting.
But quite frankly, I dunno what'll happen to the units. Either none of them show up again, or they all do and they add a FOURTH tier to accommodate them. But that would be just ridiculous.

I'd enjoy seeing a new Fire Emblem. First things first, however, I want a return to 2d sprite graphics. I'm not some stuck-in-my-ways 2D retrowhore like some of the purists you run into, but the fact of hte matter is, Intelligent Systems is outright horrendous at 3D animation, and they also seem incapable of doing their characters justice via models and textures. And yet they have some of the most talented sprite artists in the industry. There is absolutely no reason to do 3D for the next FE game. This isn't 2003, when the market was too obsessed with 3D to give 2D a seocnd chance. Both are viable from a marketing perspective, and maybe if they went 2D they'd end up with a beautiful game, instead of a butt-ugly game with gorgeous portraits.

Second, Tellius is done. We've seen enough of it. In order for a character to remain interesting, they need to have a story to tell, with character development to go alongside it. But you can't continue giving a single character or cast of characters worthwhile development indefinitely. Encapsulate their stories in a framework with a beginning and end, and we'll end up with more compelling characters. And then discard them and create new ones. Ike has already gotten more games than any other FE lead other than Marth, and Tellius' cast of characters leaves a lot to be desired in comparison to some of the previous games. It's time to move on. Oh, and I'm tired of half-animals. They add very little to the game, and I've never been happy with them, stylistically. They existed for the sole purpose of telling a story about discrimination and intolerance, but that story is now told, and I want something new. Without Laguz.

Also, they need to tone down the number of characters. Radiant Dawn had too many. A large cast is great, but not if it dilutes the character development in the process. I'd rather have a small cast of well-developed characters than a large one of more 2-dimensional ones. Remember those wonderful Support Conversations we used to have? The things that allowed us to get an insight into the character and personality of everyone in our armies? I want those again, and their absence in RD was a direct result of the large number of characters.

Originally Posted by Jeff

Because if you hump the casts of previous Fire Emblems and think the ones in PoR or RD are crap, you're a moron.

Seriously? Hector wipes the floor with just about any character from any other Fire Emblem game ever.

Edit: I'm not trolling here in the least, this statement is 100% legitimate.

No, Hector was awesome.

But as you may notice, that's not the entire cast of 7. My problem is with many FE fans that continue to whack off the older games while giving absolutely no credit to the recent titles. I honestly question their full understanding of storytelling and characterization if they think that recent casts are utter balls while older ones are among legendary mythology.

The recent cast is balls becase a) there are too many for them each to be given fleshed out characters, b) they removed support conversations, and c) they are far more stereotyped (although admittedly, this was starting apply in 7, if not to such a great extent). If the Tellius series had dropped 1/3rd of the cast, not had the Laguz in the second game, reworked Ike's character, dropped the third tier, actually balanced the skills, put Support conversations back in, and so on, I may actually have liked it.

The actual plot ofs, say, Radiant Dawn and Path of Radiance are head and shoulders above the plots of FE 7 and 8. If you were to compare bullet points about Ike's personal story vs Eliwood's or Hector's personal stories, Ike is significantly better.

But FE 7's execution of it's plot and characters is far better, and that's what matters most. The dialogue is more believable, it's unencumbered by low-quality voice-acting, the dynamic between the characters is more believable (largely due to the aforementioned dialogue), the entire cast is better explored due to the large number of support conversations, and Nergal is a far more interesting and 3-dimensional enemy than Ashnard or Ashera.

I cannot think of a single thing, storytelling-wise, that either of the Tellius games executed better than FE7.

Obviously things are a lot different if you look at the gameplay, and things like in-level saves and the increased features of the preparation screens are huge improvements.

Above the shoulders of FE8? Yes. FE7? No. I always prefered the story of FE7, simply because the Laguz annoyed me intensely, and they make most of FE9 and 10's story. (They really, really didn't need the furryfests that were the Laguz. If they'd wanted to make a story about discrimination, they could have damn well done black/white, or whatever. Humans discriminate enough within their own species not to need some furball.)

I don't think the older games' stories are legendary. Far from it. I actually never really thought Fire Emblem had particularly interesting stories (no, I haven't played the Japan-only ones, you purists). I just think FE7's characters were far more interesting than Ike's crew. I agree with pretty much everything lord-of-shadow said:
--Go back to 2-d
--Less characters = more development between them
--Enough of Tellius
However, I do think that RD has improved some things significantly, such as the ability to save mid-battle for good. People will tell you that it castrates the series, but I think it makes it far less repetitive. I do agree that the danger of having your units die makes it harder and makes you care more about them, though. So I actually like what FEDS did with save points-- you have limited saves (usually two) that you can use once each. This balances it between losing units forever and being able to save mid-battle.

Also, I like the fact that in RD, units could class-up just by going over level 20. Master Seals are pains in the neck.

Originally Posted by Snow_Storm

Go on GameFAQs's FE boards and Serene Forest. This is mild compare to what goes down on those sites.

I agree with this.
Fire Emblem fans can be ridiculous *****s.

Originally Posted by lord-of-shadow

Obviously things are a lot different if you look at the gameplay, and things like in-level saves and the increased features of the preparation screens are huge improvements.

In-level saves have existed since Fire Emblem 4 (Though they were pretty much required in that game, because the maps were so ****ing huge).

But yeah, Tellius is done. Give us a new story with new, better developed characters please.

The only good thing that came out of FE9 and FE10 that they use orchestra music.

Originally Posted by Snow_Storm

The only good thing that came out of FE9 and FE10 that they use orchestra music.

FE9 and 10 had great music, I will admit.

FE3 had an excellent story, FE4 and 5 had an absolutely amazing story. FE7's was passable, but ultimately let down by the fact it had to lead up to FE6's frankly awful story. FE2 and 8 were pure unadulterated crap, storywise. FE9 and 10 had okay stories, but were extremely badly executed, and let down by the characters.

Saving I'm neutral towards. I would like to see larger maps - not FE4 style, as one of my very few complaints about FE4 was that the maps were so vast foot units not named Arya or her children were essentially screwed. However, still much larger maps than recent titles. However, this in itself means in battle saving is a necessity, but I wouldn't to make it too easy. I think Save Tiles, places which if your Lord stands on them, he can save, would be useful, on the condition each Save Tile can only be used once.