FPS: What Wii Needs...

Originally Posted by 8bit

You're telling me this wont run Crysis?: Dell - Inspiron Desktop with Intel® Core™2 Quad-Core Processor Q6600 - I530-103B

Hell if I know.

Nor do you need an X360 then.

Seeing as I noticed you capped the word need a couple times down this post, I don't exactly need the majority of the stuff in my room right now. As for the topic at hand, if I want to pick up the best current generation console on the market right now, I'm going to want to pick up an Xbox 360.

One is better?

Yeah, console gaming is.

Then don't get one?

I won't. I will, however, pick myself up an Xbox 360.

Have you ever been to a LAN party? That's half the reason I own a laptop.

No, but I've walked down the hall, picked up an Xbox 360 controller, and played Halo in a room full of three others doing the same same, down the hall from four others playing the same thing on our team, and on the same map as eight others across the globe doing the same.

That being said, all of the emulated console games can still be played in the same way.

Not easy enough to pick-up-and-play.

What? Most old games, games going back to pre-Windows will play fine on a new XP machine. If they don't, there's almost always a way to get them to play fine.

That has nothing to do with the quoted section you were responding to.

True. Though I don't really find that to be an issue, as there's no associated moral dilemma.

It's still against the law, however.

Easy to emulate. ePSXe

Not as easy as turning on my PS3.

And with an X360 you're missing out on games from the following platforms:

Atari Flashback 2
Evo: Phase One
FC Twin Video Game System
Game Wave Family Entertainment System
Generation NEX
Gizmondo
GP2X
Mattel HyperScan
N-Gage
Nintendo DS
PlayStation 3
PlayStation Portable
Vii
Wii
ApeXtreme
Atari Flashback
Dreamcast
e-Reader
e-Reader+
Game Boy Advance
GP32
L600
N-Gage QD
Neo Geo Pocket Color
Nintendo GameCube
Nintendo iQue
Nuon
Panasonic M2
Panasonic Q
PlayStation 2
SwanCrystal
Tapwave Zodiac
V.Smile
WonderSwan
WonderSwan Color
XaviXPort gaming console
Neo Geo Pocket
Neo Geo Pocket Color
Game Boy Color
Nintendo 64
Nintendo 64DD
PlayStation
Sega Saturn
Virtual Boy
Apple Pippin
PC-FX
Atari Jaguar
Atari Jaguar CD
3DO
Amiga CD32
Casio Loopy
R-Zone
Sega Mega Drive
Sega CD (1992)
Sega 32X
Atari Lynx
TurboGrafx-16
TurboGrafx-CD
TurboExpress
SuperGrafx
Amstrad GX4000
Neo-Geo
Neo-Geo CD
Neo-Geo CDZ
Commodore Amiga CDTV
Super Nintendo Entertainment System
SNES Satellaview
FM Towns Marty
Philips CD-i
TurboDuo
Supervision
Mega Duck
Pioneer LaserActive
Sega Nomad
Game Boy
Sega Game Gear
Commodore 64GS
PC Engine
Atari 7800
Sega Master System
Coleco
Nintendo Entertainment System
Sega SG-1000
Commodore MAX Machine
Vectrex
Emerson Arcadia
Atari 5200
ColecoVision
CreatiVision
Intellivision
Color TV Game
APF Imagination Machine
Microvision
Game & Watch
Interton VC 4000
Magnavox Odyssey²
Bally Astrocade
Atari 2600
Sears Video Arcade
Atari 2700
RCA Studio II
Fairchild Channel F
Coleco Telstar
Pong
Philips Odyssey
Magnavox Odyssey
Arcade machines
MS-DOS
Windows
Linux
Mac OS
Apple OS
Unix
BSD

And guess what? You get most of those on PC (their entire libraries) and they're completely free.

That's not the point, seeing as the point I was making is that picking any one system makes you miss out on games on other systems.

That's great. Now you don't need an X360.

I do if I want to play Halo with my buddies who happen to be abroad this semester.

You don't NEED these things. you don't NEED a laptop. You dont NEED these things to play games on a laptop. That's like saying you NEED to buy a mic for the 360, or you NEED to buy three extra controllers. Or you NEED to buy external storage.

I actually do need a laptop, seeing as without one my college life would be alot harder. I wouldn't need to buy a mic for an Xbox because it comes with one already, and I don't need to buy extra controllers because all my friends have controllers anyway.

Originally Posted by DrZaius1

Hell if I know.

Protip: it would.

Seeing as I noticed you capped the word need a couple times down this post, I don't exactly need the majority of the stuff in my room right now. As for the topic at hand, if I want to pick up the best current generation console on the market right now, I'm going to want to pick up an Xbox 360.

Baseless assessment.

Yeah, console gaming is.

Baseless assessment.

No, but I've walked down the hall, picked up an Xbox 360 controller, and played Halo in a room full of three others doing the same same, down the hall from four others playing the same thing on our team, and on the same map as eight others across the globe doing the same.

And I've played Battlefield, GMod, CounterStrike, Unreal, and countless other games at a LAN party with over 30 people. It's simply a better experience than playing with 4 people on a console, and if you're going to argue that you can network consoles, then a LAN party is no more difficult. Of course, with a LAN party you get a lot more flexibility with what you play and how you play it, and you don't want to jam an analog stick down someone's throat afterwords.

Not easy enough to pick-up-and-play.

How to play multiplayer ROMs:
1. Run ROM
2. Player 1, pick up a controller or keyboard
3. Player 2, pick up a controller or keyboard
4. (optional) Player 3, pick up a controller or keyboard
5. (optional) Player 4, pick up a controller or keyboard
6. Press buttons

That has nothing to do with the quoted section you were responding to.

You said portability. That's incredibly vague. Do you mean backwards compatibility? Do you mean portable applications? Do you mean portable code?

Because all of those aspects apply better to PC games than to console games.

It's still against the law, however.

Unless you own the game. And if you don't, like I've said before, there's still no moral dilemma.

Not as easy as turning on my PS3.

So you bought a PS3 to play PSX games?

That's not the point, seeing as the point I was making is that picking any one system makes you miss out on games on other systems.

And my point was that you miss out on very little with a PC. Look at it this way: Even if you only played emulated games, and you played each game for 10 minutes, and switched to the next game, and you wanted to play every game possible, you would be playing for the rest of your life. And all for free.

HOWEVER, do note that most popular X360 games are being ported to PC. Very few are still console exclusive, and a lot of the ones that are are on their way. (I'm looking at you, Halo)

I do if I want to play Halo with my buddies who happen to be abroad this semester.

I think the problem is you're playing a terrible game. Try some CounterStrike or some Team Fortress 2.

I actually do need a laptop, seeing as without one my college life would be alot harder. I wouldn't need to buy a mic for an Xbox because it comes with one already, and I don't need to buy extra controllers because all my friends have controllers anyway.

External storage? XBox Live?

Atari Flashback 2
Evo: Phase One
FC Twin Video Game System
Game Wave Family Entertainment System
Generation NEX
Gizmondo
GP2X
Mattel HyperScan
N-Gage
Nintendo DS
PlayStation 3
PlayStation Portable
Vii
Wii
ApeXtreme
Atari Flashback
Dreamcast
e-Reader
e-Reader+
Game Boy Advance
GP32
L600
N-Gage QD
Neo Geo Pocket Color
Nintendo GameCube
Nintendo iQue
Nuon
Panasonic M2
Panasonic Q
PlayStation 2
SwanCrystal
Tapwave Zodiac
V.Smile
WonderSwan
WonderSwan Color
XaviXPort gaming console
Neo Geo Pocket
Neo Geo Pocket Color
Game Boy Color
Nintendo 64
Nintendo 64DD
PlayStation
Sega Saturn
Virtual Boy
Apple Pippin
PC-FX
Atari Jaguar
Atari Jaguar CD
3DO
Amiga CD32
Casio Loopy
R-Zone
Sega Mega Drive
Sega CD (1992)
Sega 32X
Atari Lynx
TurboGrafx-16
TurboGrafx-CD
TurboExpress
SuperGrafx
Amstrad GX4000
Neo-Geo
Neo-Geo CD
Neo-Geo CDZ
Commodore Amiga CDTV
Super Nintendo Entertainment System
SNES Satellaview
FM Towns Marty
Philips CD-i
TurboDuo
Supervision
Mega Duck
Pioneer LaserActive
Sega Nomad
Game Boy
Sega Game Gear
Commodore 64GS
PC Engine
Atari 7800
Sega Master System
Coleco
Nintendo Entertainment System
Sega SG-1000
Commodore MAX Machine
Vectrex
Emerson Arcadia
Atari 5200
ColecoVision
CreatiVision
Intellivision
Color TV Game
APF Imagination Machine
Microvision
Game & Watch
Interton VC 4000
Magnavox Odyssey²
Bally Astrocade
Atari 2600
Sears Video Arcade
Atari 2700
RCA Studio II
Fairchild Channel F
Coleco Telstar
Pong
Philips Odyssey
Magnavox Odyssey
Arcade machines
MS-DOS
Windows
Linux
Mac OS
Apple OS
Unix
BSD

The average gamer these days doesn't give a **** about half the **** on this list, let alone care enough to actually play any games on it.

Originally Posted by Raunm

The average gamer these days doesn't give a **** about half the **** on this list, let alone care enough to actually play any games on it.

The average gamer spends their time playing Wii Sports, Madden, and Halo.

I, on the other hand, do care about most of those platforms.

Originally Posted by 8bit

The average gamer spends their time playing Wii Sports, Madden, and Halo.

I think you've confused "average gamer" with "average human".

You know guys, I think The Conduit looks very, very promising. Keep in mind that (according to IGN) the footage we've seen is still from a pre-Alpha version of the game. A Beta version is not yet complete.

Considering that, the graphics look quite good. The gameplay seems very innovative as well. I wouldn't write it off just yet.

Some IGN staff got a chance to play The Conduit recently, as well. Check out this article to see their opinions of the game.

Thoughts?

Originally Posted by Raunm

I think you've confused "average gamer" with "average human".

gamer, one who plays games. Most gamers are casual. Only around 10% are hardcore gamers. All the games I listed were casual games.

Originally Posted by 8bit

gamer, one who plays games. Most gamers are casual. Only around 10% are hardcore gamers. All the games I listed were casual games.

Casio Loopy is casual? Really? Or were you referring to Halo 3, WiiSports, and Madden? If so, my point still stands. Everyone plays those games.

Originally Posted by 8bit

Protip: it would.

Good for it. I don't exactly have any desire to buy a machine just for Crysis.

Baseless assessment.

Not exactly. Xbox multiplayer, which is quickly becoming the cornerstone of console gaming, is far superior to any other console.

Baseless assessment.

As, you know, you weren't just setting up to say that PC gaming is superior, which is another "baseless assessment".

And I've played Battlefield, GMod, CounterStrike, Unreal, and countless other games at a LAN party with over 30 people. It's simply a better experience than playing with 4 people on a console, and if you're going to argue that you can network consoles, then a LAN party is no more difficult. Of course, with a LAN party you get a lot more flexibility with what you play and how you play it, and you don't want to jam an analog stick down someone's throat afterwords.

And which happens more often, four person to a console Big Team matches on Halo or 30 person LAN parties.

How to play multiplayer ROMs:
1. Run ROM
2. Player 1, pick up a controller or keyboard
3. Player 2, pick up a controller or keyboard
4. (optional) Player 3, pick up a controller or keyboard
5. (optional) Player 4, pick up a controller or keyboard
6. Press buttons

Still doesn't exactly get past that whole legality hurdle.

You said portability. That's incredibly vague. Do you mean backwards compatibility? Do you mean portable applications? Do you mean portable code?

I was talking about unit portablity, as in shutting my laptop, disconnecting it, then walking over to the library to type up a ten page paper the night before it's due.

Because all of those aspects apply better to PC games than to console games.

I was talking about how much better a laptop was then a desktop.

Unless you own the game. And if you don't, like I've said before, there's still no moral dilemma.

Again, that still doesn't make it legal.

So you bought a PS3 to play PSX games?

Again, that has nothing to do with what I was talking about, but yeah I did, in addition to PS2 and PS3 games.

And my point was that you miss out on very little with a PC. Look at it this way: Even if you only played emulated games, and you played each game for 10 minutes, and switched to the next game, and you wanted to play every game possible, you would be playing for the rest of your life. And all for free.

Yeah, and that still doesn't make it any more legal.

HOWEVER, do note that most popular X360 games are being ported to PC. Very few are still console exclusive, and a lot of the ones that are are on their way. (I'm looking at you, Halo)

And which system is going to sell more units? The Xbox 360 version or the PC version? Check out Gears of War for your answer.

I think the problem is you're playing a terrible game. Try some CounterStrike or some Team Fortress 2.

Hey guys, "baseless assessment" or some other bull****. The fact is my friends don't play either of those games, but they all happen to play Halo.

External storage? XBox Live?

Don't exactly know anyone who bought external storage for their Xbox, and Xbox Live is worth the cost. That's all you need to play online.

Originally Posted by 8bit

The average gamer spends their time playing Wii Sports, Madden, and Halo.

The average gamer spends their time playing Madden and Halo, not Wii Sports. The fact that there are so many "average gamers" out there that play Halo is exactly why I need to be picking one up.

Originally Posted by Raunm

I think you've confused "average gamer" with "average human".

I think you've confused "average human" with "average American".
Seriously, football/rugby/whatever isn't that big outside the US.

Also, since when is Halo a game only average gamers play?

Originally Posted by Origin

I think you've confused "average human" with "average American".
Seriously, football/rugby/whatever isn't that big outside the US.

I think you're looking way too deep into this. And rugby's huge in Britain, if I'm not mistaken.

Originally Posted by Origin

Also, since when is Halo a game only average gamers play?

It's not. It's just a casual game so it's easy for average gamers to pick it up and play it.

Originally Posted by Raunm

I think you're looking way too deep into this. And rugby's huge in Britain, if I'm not mistaken.



It's not. It's just a casual game so it's easy for average gamers to pick it up and play it.

Not to be a pain or anything, but it isn't that big. Britain goes more into football.

Originally Posted by DarkVaati

Not to be a pain or anything, but it isn't that big. Britain goes more into football.

Thus why I said if I'm not mistaken. And he listed football, so if football's big in Britain, that still supports my point.

Originally Posted by Raunm

Thus why I said if I'm not mistaken. And he listed football, so if football's big in Britain, that still supports my point.

Football as in soccer is big in Britain, i believe that's what he meant.

Anyway, 8-bit roms are illegal even if you own the original game. The only way it is legal is if you ripped the data yourself onto the computer.

I love my laptop, it does what it needs to do, which is help me with school work. As a computers main point is to do work with, not play games, as much as that may hurt you to hear.

Originally Posted by squall24

I love my laptop, it does what it needs to do, which is help me with school work. As a computers main point is to do work with, not play games, as much as that may hurt you to hear.

When computers first came out, it's main point was to do work with. Now computers are meant for just as much with entertainment use aswell as being able to do work on it.

Originally Posted by 8bit

And with an X360 you're missing out on games from the following platforms:


Nintendo DS
PlayStation 3
PlayStation Portable
Wii
Dreamcast
Game Boy Advance
Nintendo GameCube
PlayStation 2
Game Boy Color
Nintendo 64
PlayStation
Sega Saturn
Super Nintendo Entertainment System
Game Boy
Nintendo Entertainment System
Pong
Arcade machines
Windows
Sega Genesis

I took the liberty of getting rid of all the systems that were either A: compleate **** (ie Virtual Boy), B:Had no good games (ie 3DO), C: Never sold (ie gizmondo), or D: Ruined the video game industry almost irrepairably (the Atari 2600 is the only one in this catagory). I also added the Genesis, which you somehow missed. Did you copy down wikipedia's list of consols or something like that?

Anyway, if you have a 360, Wii, and PS3 you can get about 70% of those games (between Virtual Consol, XBLA, and the PSN). You can also get far more games than you could for PC.

Honestly, the only genre that hasn't succesfully transfered from PC to consol is RTS. PC gaming is great, but you generally get left behind in the dust by consol gamers. You also have to deal with constantly changing computer software.

I have a Xbox 360. I can pick up any 360 game and know immediatly that it will play on my 360. If I pick up a PC game, I have to check how many GB of memory it uses, how much RAM I need, how powerful of a processor I need, etc. It get to the point where I have to write down my computers specifics before I go shopping for PC games. My PC also is only a 60 GB Pentium 2, so I can't play almost any PC game made before 2003.

Originally posted by ShiekahSage
Honestly, the only genre that hasn't succesfully transfered from PC to consol is RTS. PC gaming is great, but you generally get left behind in the dust by consol gamers. You also have to deal with constantly changing computer software.

Sims and MMOs continue to be superior on the PC, while shooters and Western RPGs are equal in number to, and arguably better than on home consoles.

Really, you buy a new console every five or six years, for a lot of people that's not much different with a PC or just additional hardware for theirs.

I took the liberty of getting rid of all the systems that were either A: compleate **** (ie Virtual Boy), B:Had no good games (ie 3DO), C: Never sold (ie gizmondo), or D: Ruined the video game industry almost irrepairably (the Atari 2600 is the only one in this catagory). I also added the Genesis, which you somehow missed. Did you copy down wikipedia's list of consols or something like that?

You also simply removed all of the consoles you've never heard of. (Genesis had two names. I simply used the most correct one)

Good job removing DOS (thousands of games, many, grade A.) and Linux. (Similar) And every atari console, and the TRS-80, and the Comadore 64, and the Apple OS. Where did Nintendo DS go? Where did the Sega Master System go? Where is Sataliteview? Just because it was never released in the US doesn't mean it isnt one of the most popular platforms ever released in Japan. What happened to the Coleco and Odyssey machines?

Anyway, if you have a 360, Wii, and PS3 you can get about 70% of those games (between Virtual Consol, XBLA, and the PSN). You can also get far more games than you could for PC.

1- Not after you consider all of the widely popular platforms you conveniently left out.
2- They are free if you have a PC.

Honestly, the only genre that hasn't succesfully transfered from PC to consol is RTS.

Point and Click adventure, Interactive Fiction, First Person Shooter, Turn Based Strategy?

PC gaming is great, but you generally get left behind in the dust by consol gamers.

What? The reason why games available on both X360 and Windows are incompatible online is because the PC gamers almost always won in testing. (better control)

You also have to deal with constantly changing computer software.

What do you even mean by this?

I have a Xbox 360. I can pick up any 360 game and know immediatly that it will play on my 360. If I pick up a PC game, I have to check how many GB of memory it uses, how much RAM I need, how powerful of a processor I need, etc. It get to the point where I have to write down my computers specifics before I go shopping for PC games. My PC also is only a 60 GB Pentium 2, so I can't play almost any PC game made before 2003.

Yes, I guess X360s are better for casual gamers who don't want to deal with that kind of thing.

When computers first came out, it's main point was to do work with. Now computers are meant for just as much with entertainment use aswell as being able to do work on it.

Space Wars much? How about Zork? Colossal Cave Adventure? Prince of Persia? Impossible Mission?

Good for it. I don't exactly have any desire to buy a machine just for Crysis.

I didn't ever take you for a particularly intelligent fellow, but I assumed you'd be able to see the point I was making. Crysis is arguably the most intensive game available on Windows now, as far as requirements go. If you can play Crysis, you can play pretty much everything else.

Not exactly. Xbox multiplayer, which is quickly becoming the cornerstone of console gaming, is far superior to any other console.

We're talking about PC and X360, not X360 and other consoles.

As, you know, you weren't just setting up to say that PC gaming is superior, which is another "baseless assessment".

Yes, but I had an actual argument.

And which happens more often, four person to a console Big Team matches on Halo or 30 person LAN parties.

Well, LAN parties can range from 2 people to 2,000 people (or more, really) so I'd have to say LAN parties in general happen more often than big team matches on Halo.

Still doesn't exactly get past that whole legality hurdle.

Explain to me who legality matters again?

I was talking about unit portablity, as in shutting my laptop, disconnecting it, then walking over to the library to type up a ten page paper the night before it's due.

How is that not more portable than your X360?

And which system is going to sell more units? The Xbox 360 version or the PC version? Check out Gears of War for your answer.

Wii Sports sold more, does that make it a better game?

Don't exactly know anyone who bought external storage for their Xbox, and Xbox Live is worth the cost. That's all you need to play online.

Well, you get the same games for PC, but the control mechanism is better, and the online is free, and you get a much, much larger extended library. If you're comparing XBL to laptop accessories, then the laptop accessories will under price XBL within a couple of months. Building a PC is effectively much, much cheaper than getting an X360 if you plan to play online.

The average gamer spends their time playing Madden and Halo, not Wii Sports. The fact that there are so many "average gamers" out there that play Halo is exactly why I need to be picking one up.

The average person who bought a Wii bought it for the casual games. (Wii Sports, Wii Fit, etc...) Likewise, the average person who bought an X360 bought it for the casual games. (Halo, Madden, Gears, etc...)

Casio Loopy is casual? Really? Or were you referring to Halo 3, WiiSports, and Madden? If so, my point still stands. Everyone plays those games.

Halo 3, WiiSports, and Madden. Also, almost all of the hardcore gamers I know don't play those games, with the exception of an occasional fling when people are playing it at a party or something.

Originally Posted by 8bit

I didn't ever take you for a particularly intelligent fellow, but I assumed you'd be able to see the point I was making. Crysis is arguably the most intensive game available on Windows now, as far as requirements go. If you can play Crysis, you can play pretty much everything else.

Guess who's laying the groundwork for Biggest Ego, kid.

We're talking about PC and X360, not X360 and other consoles.

No, bro, we aren't. We're talking about the difference between PC and console gaming, and apparently I'm not intelligent enough to be able to debate that so you're trying to continue to change the debate to PC-Xbox 360 only.

Yes, but I had an actual argument.

No, you didn't. "The difference is that one is superior." isn't much of an argument at all, and can easily be turned on you, which I did.

Well, LAN parties can range from 2 people to 2,000 people (or more, really) so I'd have to say LAN parties in general happen more often than big team matches on Halo.

You're wrong, kid. I hope you understand that the majority of gamers aren't PC gamers.

Explain to me who legality matters again?

If you have to ask, you don't deserve an explanation at all.

How is that not more portable than your X360?

Are you a ****ing idiot? You have the gall to basically call me a dumbass up there, yet for some reason you can't understand that my pointing out that the portability of a laptop makes it superior to a desktop has nothing to do with an Xbox at all.

Wii Sports sold more, does that make it a better game?

Wii Sports comes with a gaming console, kid.

Well, you get the same games for PC, but the control mechanism is better, and the online is free, and you get a much, much larger extended library. If you're comparing XBL to laptop accessories, then the laptop accessories will under price XBL within a couple of months. Building a PC is effectively much, much cheaper than getting an X360 if you plan to play online.

Yet you don't get the same market, and the market I wish to play with all have Xbox 360s. Apparently, that means I should go pick up a PC and not play with them, even though that's the main reason I plan on picking up an Xbox 360 anyway. Most people don't exactly have the technical know-how to build a PC, while they do have the technical know-how to sign a one-year contract with Microsoft and get on Xbox Live immediately.

The average person who bought a Wii bought it for the casual games. (Wii Sports, Wii Fit, etc...) Likewise, the average person who bought an X360 bought it for the casual games. (Halo, Madden, Gears, etc...)

I believe I refered to the average gamer, not the average person. That must mean I'm intellectually inferior.

Halo 3, WiiSports, and Madden. Also, almost all of the hardcore gamers I know don't play those games, with the exception of an occasional fling when people are playing it at a party or something.

And I'm going to put my money on these "hardcore gamers" you know being PC gamers moreso then console gamers, but that's just my limited intellect talking. Also, who the **** plays Halo or Madden at a party? Last time I was at a party, people were playing Beer Pong and Flip Cup, not video games.

I agree with you Drzaius. PC gamers are the minority. As I stated, and was told I was wrong, computers are built for work. Sure you can use them for entertainment, but their main function is work.

Once again 8-bit, unless you rip the game yourself, all roms etc. are illegal.

Sure my laptop can run games fine, but consoles are just easier to use, without any of the problems that a pc can issue.