Wii ruining the market for hardcore gamers?

[ShiekahSage]

As you know msot of the Wiis stable of games are things that are designed to be fun for all ages and very, very, easy to play. While I think it is good to have people who usually don't play games get into it, this is begining to affect us, the hardcore gamers. We want things like new FPS, and complex RPGs; meanwhile Nintendo is more concerned that 75 year old woman can play virtual tennis with her five year old grandson. These people shouldn't even be gaming, much less at our expense! Nintendo needs release more real games like a new Starfox, Zelda, Metroid, or F-Zero. If they are not willing to appease real gamers they could at least hire other people to do it for them but they won't even do that! Nintendo should have attempted to sucure great 3rd party titles like Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Call of Duty 4!

I should not have to buy 2 systems (a wii and a 360 in my case) to expirience both Nintendo 1st parties and everyone elses 3rd parties!
We hardcore gamers are the ones supporting the gaming market and we are being ignored!

[Rajin95]

I know its so anoying. They spend all their time and money on werthless people like that who stop playing it after a month an never use it again untill their next waste of money comes around then rinse lather and repeat. Those people really tick me off the shold have their wii given to more deserving people.

[SkulkerZX]

I can see where you're coming from Nintendo's whole aim on the Wii was to bring in the outside market, so you can kinda see why they're building up a game library to suit for that purpose.

Though I do agree to an extent, I bought a 360 as the Wii's online is pretty awful and the library's pretty poor, I'm just too in love with Zelda to not have got one on release date

[Link Wolf]

I think that Nintendo needs more third party support. Also, does anyone else prefer the old style of controllers? Sure, it's innovative and stuff, but it's never actually used to it's full extent, and sometimes I find it annoying. For some stuff it's good, but to be truthful I would have preferred to play TP on the Wii with a normal controller. While I don't care if Nintendo releases a few "casual gamer" games every now and then, I agree that they should release more awesome stuff like RPGs and FPSs and... cool stuff. Lately, I haven't been loving Nintendo as much as I used to. ^^;

[Forte]

That post made me suddenly mad, is it because I just saw the finale of scrubs? I don't know but, I may kill somebody.
1. NINTENDO DOESN'T CARE ABOUT YOU! They want money, they're getting it, get over it.
2. Getting people into games...make them a hardcore gamer, if Nintendo hadn't been aiming for kids when I was 5, I wouldn't be a Hardcore Gamer
3. FPSes are so overrated, a real hardcore gamer does NOT want another one
4. A real hardcore gamer gets all systems, they don't complain about getting 2. You were planning on 1? You're such a poser.

I'm done here homedogs. SEE YA LATER MY BROTHER! (J.D.)

[Verrick]

A mix of "casual" and "hardcore" makes for a better gamer I believe.

[Link Wolf]

Originally Posted by Forte

3. FPSes are so overrated, a real hardcore gamer does NOT want another one

Isn't this the kind of game most hardcore gamers would want? To me, I like FPSs as long as they've got a good story and good gameplay.

[Forte]

Originally Posted by Link Wolf

Isn't this the kind of game most hardcore gamers would want? To me, I like FPSs as long as they've got a good story and good gameplay.

No, this is the kind of game "Hardcore gamers" want. The "Hardcore gamer" is apparently someone who loves Xbox 360, halo, maybe PS3, doesn't love nintendo as much, love being ass holes on-line, loves mountain dew, or the gamer that's in their mid 20's and think they're awesome, and the like. But think about it, is that really a hardcore gamer? Honestly, a hardcore gamer is someone that loves games, can see the beauty in them (Yep, that nerdy), play games without judging graphics, gets every system regardless of power (not necessarily, some don't have that kind of money), generally plays any kind of game no matter what as long as it looks interesting, spends most of their time playing games or atleast plays a game once per day, spends their money on games whenever they can. God I hate the "Hardcore gamer", yet I love the Hardcore gamer. BTW OP, how is Nintendo ruining anything for anyone? Go play Halo and get over it.

[MLNick]

Nintendo's first party games have never been aimed at the older crowd...

I do concur that Nintendo does need some new good games for the wii, but then I'm not going out getting a 360 for any games either. Nothing out there these days is really spectacular...

I actually prefer the wiimote/nunchuk combo - I like being able to have my hands seperate. I don't really care eitherway on the pointing feature or motion sensitivity, but I really like having the controller separated into two parts, it's more comfortable for me that way.

Meh

[Ganon the King]

Originally Posted by SkulkerZX

I can see where you're coming from Nintendo's whole aim on the Wii was to bring in the outside market, so you can kinda see why they're building up a game library to suit for that purpose.

Though I do agree to an extent, I bought a 360 as the Wii's online is pretty awful and the library's pretty poor, I'm just too in love with Zelda to not have got one on release date

Yeah me too... except for the part that I bought a X360 =P

I was actually going to buy an X360.. but I never did... but it was on my mind. Then I had a real good chance to play LOTS of X360 because my cousin came interstate with it and I just didn't like it. Maybe I would have liked Bioshock and Mass Effect... but definitely not Halo 3 or GoW or anything... Just didn't.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Nintendo will do with the Wii Zelda... mean while, I'll be playing SSBB I suppose... and I'll probably pick up MP (I sold it idiotically ages ago) and at the end of the year I'll buy ToS2 and maybe a couple of other games.

But yeah... this thing with making games for 5 year olds and 75 year olds has been annoying me for a while. The Wii was $400 in Australia right? Now if Wii sports hadn't come with it it would have been $300 or maybe a bit higher. This was an awesome marketing strategy. The point was... they could still include a game and the Wii was STILL cheaper than its competitors (X360 and PS3). That's why this move by Nintendo was still great. Now if the Wii just had normal controls it wouldn't have sold well at all... that's why the Wii remote was what made up for the graphics because it was intuitive. Yes. Ok... let's say all goes well for the Wii. We see ToS2 come out... as well as the other 5 RPGs coming out this year.. as well as the other RPGs coming in 2009 (including Sword of Legendia), we see the new Zelda, maybe an F-zero, probably a Metroid Wii... other games etc etc. By the end of the Wii's life span it will definitely have a good library of hardcore games... I mean, it's already got quite a good selection (TP, MP3, SSBB, RE4, SMG, Okami, MK and others that aren't as "well known.") Except... it will also have a lots of 1st party gamers that have been aimed towards casuals... Wii Fit, music, sports etc. Now while Nintendo are making games for the casuals, they are also dumbing down the difficulty of their hardcore games (MP3 and TP, not SMG funnily enough). Hopefully the Wii Zelda doesn't follow in TP's foot steps where Nintendo were making it "easy" to attract "casuals." Fact is... casuals won't want to play a game like TP regardless so why bother with trying to attract casuals to it? I mean there is already a big enough fan base for Zelda and there like 20 million people around the world own a Wii... by the time the Wii Zelda is released... there'll be like 30 million plus people who own a Wii. There is no need to attract casuals to it... there is more than enough hardcore gamers who own a way and plenty of people that are in between casual and hardcore that will also buy it. I mean... OoT did sell 7 million copies... and now that TP is quite well know, people do know what Zelda is. I don't see anymore why Zelda should be made so easy. It looked like Nintendo were taking a bit of a gamble with the Wii - it could have bombed out and they gave their big opening title TP certain safety measures so that it would not sell... but be played by the casuals.

Nintendo own 80 per cent of the shares of Monlith Soft... obviously there will be a big RPG title coming to the Wii... among the other 10 that are coming out in the next two years. Nintendo have Fire Emblem, F-zero, Zelda, Metroid, Mario, Super Smash Bros and now Monolith Soft? SMG has already been released and so has SSBB, but all the little teams working in Nintendo should be doing a Fire Emblem game, Zelda, Metroid, F-zero and an RPG from Monolith (all hardcore games). That's an awesome line-up. This should not get in the way of Nintendo's main priority - attracting "casuals." Keep casuals and hardcore seperate... and you won't be seeing hardcore players selling their Wiis (like I was about to). I mean... if Nintendo keep going the way they are... they'll be an even more awesome industry. All those gaming franchises... attracting casuals... attracting hardcore gamers... Personally I'd like to see them doing well... but I don't really care if they aren't as long as Metroid and Zelda continue.

With the next-gen console however I'd like to see Nintendo continue the motion controls, but ramp up the power of the console so Zelda and Metroid can actually look better. In Mario's case it doesn't really matter... the Wii makes him look good enough because there isn't that much detail in Mario.

[Ender]

Originally Posted by ShiekahSage

As you know msot of the Wiis stable of games are things that are designed to be fun for all ages and very, very, easy to play. While I think it is good to have people who usually don't play games get into it, this is begining to affect us, the hardcore gamers. We want things like new FPS, and complex RPGs; meanwhile Nintendo is more concerned that 75 year old woman can play virtual tennis with her five year old grandson. These people shouldn't even be gaming, much less at our expense! Nintendo needs release more real games like a new Starfox, Zelda, Metroid, or F-Zero. If they are not willing to appease real gamers they could at least hire other people to do it for them but they won't even do that! Nintendo should have attempted to sucure great 3rd party titles like Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Call of Duty 4!

I should not have to buy 2 systems (a wii and a 360 in my case) to expirience both Nintendo 1st parties and everyone elses 3rd parties!
We hardcore gamers are the ones supporting the gaming market and we are being ignored!

Just buy a 360 or PS3. Problem solved.

Or just go play the SNES. Easy enough, amirite?

Originally Posted by Forte

No, this is the kind of game "Hardcore gamers" want. The "Hardcore gamer" is apparently someone who loves Xbox 360, halo, maybe PS3, doesn't love nintendo as much, love being ass holes on-line, loves mountain dew, or the gamer that's in their mid 20's and think they're awesome, and the like. But think about it, is that really a hardcore gamer? Honestly, a hardcore gamer is someone that loves games, can see the beauty in them (Yep, that nerdy), play games without judging graphics, gets every system regardless of power (not necessarily, some don't have that kind of money), generally plays any kind of game no matter what as long as it looks interesting, spends most of their time playing games or atleast plays a game once per day, spends their money on games whenever they can. God I hate the "Hardcore gamer", yet I love the Hardcore gamer. BTW OP, how is Nintendo ruining anything for anyone? Go play Halo and get over it.

lolforteissosilly

[Ganon the King]

Originally Posted by Forte

No, this is the kind of game "Hardcore gamers" want. The "Hardcore gamer" is apparently someone who loves Xbox 360, halo, maybe PS3, doesn't love nintendo as much, love being ass holes on-line, loves mountain dew, or the gamer that's in their mid 20's and think they're awesome, and the like. But think about it, is that really a hardcore gamer? Honestly, a hardcore gamer is someone that loves games, can see the beauty in them (Yep, that nerdy), play games without judging graphics, gets every system regardless of power (not necessarily, some don't have that kind of money), generally plays any kind of game no matter what as long as it looks interesting, spends most of their time playing games or atleast plays a game once per day, spends their money on games whenever they can. God I hate the "Hardcore gamer", yet I love the Hardcore gamer. BTW OP, how is Nintendo ruining anything for anyone? Go play Halo and get over it.

I suppose there are 2 kinds of hardcore gamers then. The sad Halo/Xbox hardcore games and the "real" hardcore gamer.

Personally, I'm neither of the two, but I consider myself a pretty hardcore Nintendo fan as I try to play most instalments of Zelda... the main installments of Mario and also Metroid too. On the N64 and GC I used to play other games too... more on the N64 though. But yeah, I'm restricted to those games mainly, but I still consider myself hardcore when it comes to a particular few franchises. Sadly enough I see no reason to buy an X360 or Ps3 because it only has a few titles that I'd like to play and I would rather not spend the money on it anyway.

Back in the N64 generation, games were awesome. Funnily enough I enjoyed every single game and luckily enough almost every one of the games I bought were extremely good and fun. These were: Banjo Kazooie, Banjo Tooie, OoT, MM, Pokemon Stadium 1 and 2, Star Wars Racer, Rayman 2, Super Mario 64 and Buck Bumble and Scars (the last 2 being the first two I got with my N64 and they got really shi* reviews but I still liked them and still do. On top of that, I used to always go to my friends house and played Goldeneye, Donkey Kong 64, Mario Kart and other games. I also had the chance to get Conker bad fur day or Pokemon snap but my bro and I got Pokemon snap because we were more into Pokemon at the time. There was also Super Smash Bros. that my friend used to bring over when he came. There was StarFox, Perfect Dark and a few other really good ones too. Seriously.... that N64 had an awesome line-up and the PS and PS3 are similar (but miss the essense of Nintendo). I'd rather spend money on a Ps2 and ps/ps2 games than a new x360 or ps3. Sadly, games are getting worse and worse by the year... except for a few each year that seem to be getting better. All in all, the amount of quality games for each new console seems to be going down, but luckily every year a few high quality games are produced so thats good.

[Mr. Wonderful]

Wii ruining the market for hardcore Nintendo gamers?

Fixed.

[Qnez]

I don't care about those games, what i am afraid about, is that they slowely infect the hardcore franchise with this casual crap, like mkwii

[Jason]

Originally Posted by Qnez

I don't care about those games, what i am afraid about, is that they slowely infect the hardcore franchise with this casual crap, like mkwii

Since when was Mario Kart ever a hardcore game?

[Ogmios22188]

The Wii has a nice amount of hardcore games, and they're the ones that are the most critically praised. I think some people just have a problem with other people enjoying something that makes them feel validated.

[Abyssion]

Uh, I have a question. What exactly defines a hardcore game? Just wondering, because I honestly don't know. I mean, there are plenty of games I like that are challenging and fun that others would call stupid. There are dozens of games many would consider 'classic' that others would simply turn down out of spite or it's association with Nintendo or whatever.

As for the Wii ruining the market for hardcore gamers - is it really? Well yeah, maybe. Especially considering it's current (and probable future) absence of third party support. But to be honest, Nintendo has be waning in the area of third party support for a while now. At the rate things were going, this was bound to happen. Not that I'm good at predicting things like this, but I guessed right. Nintendo just apparently isn't interested in third party stuff at the moment. And they probably won't be any time soon. Maybe... And I recall a SSBB of mine ranting about something similar to this on a forum of his...

And the way I see it, the Wii just doesn't seem to be for all of you who claim to be hardcore gamers. I'm not sure at all, but you all might be able to change their minds over at Nintendo. I mean, you are the consumer etc...but seeing as how they're doing just fine ($$$) amidst the complaints and unsatisfactories...

[CurryMonster]

Originally Posted by Jason

Since when was Mario Kart ever a hardcore game?

Mario Kart is serious business.

Nintendo is not ruining the market for hardcore gamers. Hardcore gamers are ruining the market for themselves by maintaining stupidly high expectations which will never be met.

[Raccoon Mario]

Hasn't Nintendo pleased you enough with TP, Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart Wii and Brawl?

Seriously if you don't like the Wii's games buy another console. It's obviously not aimed at you so why did you buy it?

[Mike the Foxhog]

Originally Posted by rajin95

I know its so anoying. They spend all their time and money on werthless people like that who stop playing it after a month an never use it again untill their next waste of money comes around then rinse lather and repeat. Those people really tick me off the shold have their wii given to more deserving people.

QFT. In my opinion the Wiis should have been saved for the hardcore, veteran gamers, before wasting them on these Johnny-come-latelies who will just plug the thing in, wave the mote about, say "Ooh, that's nice", and never get any fulfillment out of it.

Thing is, it'd be tough to know who's a veteran gamer and who's just decided on a whim, without ever even glancing at a video game before, that the Wii looks quite fun. Perhaps there could've been an exam?

[Ogmios22188]

Originally Posted by Mike the Foxhog

QFT. In my opinion the Wiis should have been saved for the hardcore, veteran gamers, before wasting them on these Johnny-come-latelies who will just plug the thing in, wave the mote about, say "Ooh, that's nice", and never get any fulfillment out of it.

You mean for purchasing, rather than a first come, first serve basis? And it seems that, judging from some of the people in the thread's complaints, the hardcore players are the ones not getting any fulfillment from the system.

Thing is, it'd be tough to know who's a veteran gamer and who's just decided on a whim, without ever even glancing at a video game before, that the Wii looks quite fun. Perhaps there could've been an exam?

How can you say this and not feel ridiculous?

[Mike the Foxhog]

Originally Posted by Ogmios22188

You mean, for purchasing, rather than a first come, first serve basis? And it seems that, judging from some of the people in the thread's complaints, the hardcore players are the ones not getting any fulfillment from the system.

Yes, because people who have never played before in their lives are snapping up all the systems and having games made just for them when they should be concentrating on the hardcore gamers. You know, they guys who have kept them in business for umpteen years.

Originally Posted by Ogmios22188

How can you say this and not feel ridiculous?

It's called irony. Look it up.