Wii ruining the market for hardcore gamers?

Originally Posted by Zora Fisherman

I think Nintendo is actually saving the video game industry. all i see coming from the PS3/260 are incredibly bland generic FPS, racers, and fighting games. thats not to say there aren't decent games on those systems but most of them are not special or interesting at all. The wii does have alot of crap on it but the games that are good are really good. i would have the industry to slip into a pool of nothing but WW2 shooters and boring gameplay. Nintendo is currently the only one really trying to prevent that.

Yeah, I was just talking about that. Again, I think the Wii-mote is a disappointment. Not a failure. There are plenty of good ways it could have been applied. And one more time, the Wii is doing fine money-wise. A huge success. They still could have done better. And they might next time around. Come on, the Wii is frontier material. Nobody's ever messed around with this stuff like this before. But yeah, I can't wait to see what the Wii has carved a path for in the gaming world. I mean, combined with the that Z Cam link I sent earlier...can this lead to virtual gaming??? Lol, maybe that's an exaggeration. As long as it doesn't end up like that Virtual Boy though

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Originally Posted by Mayor Adam West

If you sit down and play those 'generic' FPS's you will find that a lot of them are anything but. You don't have to have a new control scheme to make a new, exciting game. It's a common misconception that has risen even more since the Wii has been out. I mean, I can name loads of Shooters that are new and add more depth without seeming tacky like Wii games. Gears of War, Bioshock, hell, even Call of Duty 4 added just enough to be fun and have some new ideas.

Plus, whilst graphics are not the most important thing, they add a lot of depth. I have no quarrel playing games that don't look as good as PS3/XBox 360. I do have a quarrel playing games that not only look like Gamecube games, but in some cases look even worse!

i didn't say it had to have a new wii-style control scheme to be good. and i would never call Bioshock generic. its one of the most creative games I have ever seen and i haven't even played it.

what i am mostly trying to say is that they may not all be the same but a lot of them look and basically play the same. granted im no huge FPS fan anyway but i would take a game such as De Blob over almost every shooter on the market right now. im a gamer that loves to play things that are different from what ive played before. some gamers love to play every WWII shooter thats released and nothing else. thats fine. its the reason i Have a wii and not a 360. i can appreciate shooters but if nintendo goes i wont be nearly as big of a gamer as i am now if i play games at all.

and i agree with you on graphics. i absolutely hate the fact that the wii doesn't have enough processing power to even compare to the others. it sucks to always get a poorly done PS2 port of a multi-platform game with crappy controls tacked on at the last minute while the other consoles have awesome graphics and stellar online. in that regard i hate the wii but its a sacrafice i chose to make. if we give the wii a year or two im sure we sill start to see some truly great things. (although we shouldnt have to wait at all.)

Originally Posted by abyssion7x

Yeah, I was just talking about that. Again, I think the Wii-mote is a disappointment. Not a failure. There are plenty of good ways it could have been applied. And one more time, the Wii is doing fine money-wise. A huge success. They still could have done better. And they might next time around. Come on, the Wii is frontier material. Nobody's ever messed around with this stuff like this before. But yeah, I can't wait to see what the Wii has carved a path for in the gaming world. I mean, combined with the that Z Cam link I sent earlier...can this lead to virtual gaming??? Lol, maybe that's an exaggeration. As long as it doesn't end up like that Virtual Boy though

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it not going to be another virtual boy. i dont think anybody could possibly make that mistake again. i feel the same as you. i cant wait for the future of wii (especially this years E3)

the mind control and Z cam things are cool but i would hate them in a video game. i like to feel the controller in my hand and to push the buttons myself. it would just be to different for my taste.

XD Yeah, but I can't help but keep thinking to myself that the Wii - while not to appealing to me now - might have great long term results. And I can't help thinking "Virtual Gaming!!!" Idk, that's just the enthusiastic, optimistic side of me lol.

Originally Posted by abyssion7x

XD Yeah, but I can't help but keep thinking to myself that the Wii - while not to appealing to me now - might have great long term results. And I can't help thinking "Virtual Gaming!!!" Idk, that's just the enthusiastic, optimistic side of me lol.

Certainly, the Wii has the potential to lead to greater gaming. But the console itself, in all respects, is just a tech demo. Even the sensor bar is pretty primitive. I've pretty much given up on the Wii now. It's unlikely to come out with any mindblowing games in it's last 3 and a half years. I will be keeping any eye on what Nintendo's next console does though. Maybe if they retain the motion sensing, but secure top range graphics too, then I may be interested.

Originally Posted by Zoras Fisherman

what i am mostly trying to say is that they may not all be the same but a lot of them look and basically play the same. granted im no huge FPS fan anyway but i would take a game such as De Blob over almost every shooter on the market right now. im a gamer that loves to play things that are different from what ive played before. some gamers love to play every WWII shooter thats released and nothing else. thats fine. its the reason i Have a wii and not a 360. i can appreciate shooters but if nintendo goes i wont be nearly as big of a gamer as i am now if i play games at all.

As a gamer I'd like to play something that isn't; Mario, Zelda, or Metroid again. And if I do see something that isn't Zelda, Metroid, or Mario I want it not to suck.

I really don't see how you think the Wii has anymore variety than the 360 or the PS3. And a different control scheme (being the Wii Remote), doesn't necessarily mean the Wii contains more variety.

Originally posted by Mayor Adam West
It's unlikely to come out with any mindblowing games in it's last 3 and a half years.

That's one of the stupidest ****ing things ever uttered on here.

Originally posted by No More Heroes
As a gamer I'd like to play something that isn't; Mario, Zelda, or Metroid again.

You realize how few good games that is when it comes to Wii? There will definitely be a couple more of those to come, but they'll be dwarfed in number by the other titles.

I really don't see how you think the Wii has anymore variety than the 360 or the PS3. And a different control scheme (being the Wii Remote), doesn't necessarily mean the Wii contains more variety.

In terms of the good games, the genres are balanced out significantly better.

Originally Posted by Jeff

In terms of the good games, the genres are balanced out significantly better.

OK, so what genre exactly is the 360 neglecting? The only one I can think of now is RPGs, and as we've continued to here from Microsoft they are working on having more J-RPGs continue to be present on the system.

I disagree I think Nintendo are reaching out to the younger generation of gamers, for example if you were to give my 10 year old son a 8-Bit NES he would just laugh in my face. kids these days don't want the old retro games machines any more. they want up to date games/ machines. I don't think Nintendo will ever die they're a very well known house hold name. They want Family orientated games and not violent GTA/Man Hunt style games.

Originally Posted by Lost Woods

I disagree I think Nintendo are reaching out to the younger generation of gamers, for example if you were to give my 10 year old son a 8-Bit NES he would just laugh in my face. kids these days don't want the old retro games machines any more. they want up to date games/ machines. I don't think Nintendo will ever die they're a very well known house hold name. They want Family orientated games and not violent GTA/Man Hunt style games.

If you're saying that children want the most up to date machines, then the 360 and PS3 are better options because they are the most up to date.

Which basically contradicts everything you just said.

My opinion:

XBox 360 = Cut down PC with over priced games. Most games can be brought on the PC for much less and are improved.
PS3 = Expensive Multimedia Console but with future releases to come from great classics like Gran Turismo, Tekken and Ridge Racer.
Wii = Overall Family Fun console with a small selection of Adult based games. Graphics not superior but with a new innovation of game play which stands out.

Basically the Wii is trying something different that other consoles haven't.

Nintendo loves your money, guys.

So does every other company in the world.

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Originally Posted by No More Heroes

As a gamer I'd like to play something that isn't; Mario, Zelda, or Metroid again. And if I do see something that isn't Zelda, Metroid, or Mario I want it not to suck.

I really don't see how you think the Wii has anymore variety than the 360 or the PS3. And a different control scheme (being the Wii Remote), doesn't necessarily mean the Wii contains more variety.

you should really try and read carefully. i never once said that a new control scheme gives the Wii greater variety. it gives more opportunities for variety but those opportunities are almost never taken.

Originally Posted by No More Heroes

OK, so what genre exactly is the 360 neglecting? The only one I can think of now is RPGs, and as we've continued to here from Microsoft they are working on having more J-RPGs continue to be present on the system.

again. read carefully. he said the wii has a better balance of genres. not that the 360 and PS3 are missing certain genres. please. pay attention.

Wii is more of a family consoul, some thing for kids and adults. True they shpuld make more hard core games, but they would not make as much money. Not many adults want blood ozzing games, and some kids are not in to that. They make more money by making hard core games and making family games. That way they make a fair bit of money. But as some said, they do have a good selection of hard core games! Like Resident Evil and Super Smash Bro Brawl! 360 sucks to me any way. I am sorry but thats my opinion. But I do like a few games so it doesn;t completly suck!

Originally Posted by Jeff

That's one of the stupidest ****ing things ever uttered on here.

Sir, you are an ***hole. What I've said is perfectly valid, and you didn't even put up any retaliation. You just came in and insulted me. What reason do I have to expect any more exceptional games from Nintendo, or any of their 3rd party developers. I know of not any games I want which aren't coming out on other systems. It takes at least a year to make a game. They're cutting it very fine to get any decent games out in it's remaining life. Metroid, Mario, and many other franchises have already had their key games out. I would be waiting for a Zelda, Star Fox, and Kirby game. That's it. Now, maybe you can actually debate rather than blindly insulting.

Originally Posted by TriforcemanNick

But as some said, they do have a good selection of hard core games! Like Resident Evil and Super Smash Bro Brawl! 360 sucks to me any way. I am sorry but thats my opinion. But I do like a few games so it doesn;t completly suck!

I played Resident Evil UC, it was awful. Very primitive, and looked even worse than Gamecube. I don't even know how that was possible. And Resident Evil 4 was just another port with basic Wii controls tacked on. Smash Bros Brawl is not new, it's Melee. Not that it's a bad game, but it is not anything new at all. Hell, you can even use the Gamecube Controller!

Originally Posted by Temple of Time

XBox 360 = Cut down PC with over priced games. Most games can be brought on the PC for much less and are improved.
PS3 = Expensive Multimedia Console but with future releases to come from great classics like Gran Turismo, Tekken and Ridge Racer.
Wii = Overall Family Fun console with a small selection of Adult based games. Graphics not superior but with a new innovation of game play which stands out.

Basically the Wii is trying something different that other consoles haven't.

Wii has almost no adult based games. It's selection of games which are not stupidly easy is very narrow. A game does not have to be difficult, but when games are as easy as they are on Wii, they become boring and a chore to complete. As for your XBox comment, it's easier to use an XBox than a PC. A PC can be much harder to use for the average Joe. And you have to spend ages fiddling about with graphics settings. Your PS3 comments are fair though. It's expensive, but packs a lot and has some good up and coming releases.

Originally Posted by Zora Fisherman

you should really try and read carefully. i never once said that a new control scheme gives the Wii greater variety. it gives more opportunities for variety but those opportunities are almost never taken.

OK, so what exactly gives the Wii more variety? The 360 and PS3 (more so the 360), have pretty good representation in all the genres. And Jeff is mainly just generalizing the 360 and PS3's library by sayin