Epic Games President Explains Wii's Success

Originally Posted by Radek

It doesn't matter if you care. Nobody asked you if you cared. Gears of War was the biggest game of 2006, period. You are irrelevant.

Taking that perspective, everyone's views are irrelevant. So there is no "biggest game" because that takes a multitude of opinions to constitute the title, but since it doesn't matter if people care and are irrelevant, then GoW would not be the biggest game, nor would any other.

What, why would I source it? No.

I'd have to agree that your statement is sounding rather baseless. Your experience=/=perfect demographics

I don't choose whether you play or not, you ****ing idiot, you do. Don't ask stupid questions trying to look all smart.

You call him an idiot because he defies your sourceless demographic?

Actually, in general, that is what people do. Read below.

*reads*

Anyway, all of you guys are NINTENDO fans. You wouldn't be on ZELDA message board if you weren't. All the people I know, on- and offline, who are either casual players or play on a broader scale (own multiples consoles, etc), bought Wiis and got tired of them very quickly. I also switch residence between two cities, Boulder and Montreal, and regularly visit Laval and Denver, and what I said about Wiis applies to not some, but ALL of the 30-some Wii owners I know.

Well, you don't know that many people. Everyone I know (offline), who own wiis, still plays their wii a fair ammount. And trust me, a good deal of people I know are not Nintendo fans.

Originally Posted by Rhalen

Taking that perspective, everyone's views are irrelevant. So there is no "biggest game" because that takes a multitude of opinions to constitute the title, but since it doesn't matter if people care and are irrelevant, then GoW would not be the biggest game, nor would any other.

No, the game with the most sales determines that. For more information, read Zaius' post. Nice try, though.

I'd have to agree that your statement is sounding rather baseless. Your experience=/=perfect demographics

My experience is a snapshot to demographics, if you think about.

You call him an idiot because he defies your sourceless demographic?

No, because he asked a stupid question, so he reaped his just reward. And I'm going to you a ****ing idiot for supporting his stupid ass. ****ing idiot.

Well, you don't know that many people. Everyone I know (offline), who own wiis, still plays their wii a fair ammount. And trust me, a good deal of people I know are not Nintendo fans.

30 Wii owners isn't many? Because I'm sure that's a lot, more than you know, for sure. Do you know that many, Mr. Popular? And do you have more than one permanent residence? And trust me, I know hundreds of "not" Nintendo fans.


Honestly, you guys can't win this argument. Or any other one against me, for that matter. It's what I'm known for. Good day, gentlemen.

Originally posted by Radek
No, the game with the most sales determines that. For more information, read Zaius' post. Nice try, though.

If you're looking at it from that perspective, I'm almost positive TP outsold it in the same time period that Zaius cited.

30 Wii owners isn't many? Because I'm sure that's a lot, more than you know, for sure. Do you know that many, Mr. Popular? And do you have more than one permanent residence? And trust me, I know hundreds of "not" Nintendo fans.

In his defense, if you're in Highschool, you realize that the vast majority of guys have at least one current gen console. I myself know about fifteen Wii owners at my school alone, and it's a tiny little Catholic Highschool. If he's at a Public Highschool I'd easily believe he could know 30+ Wii owners.

But we can't actually prove it, so we have to take his word.

Originally Posted by Jeff

In his defense, if you're in Highschool, you realize that the vast majority of guys have at least one current game console. I myself know about fifteen Wii owners at my school alone, and it's a tiny little Catholic Highschool. If he's at a Public Highschool I'd easily believe he could know 30+ Wii owners.

But we can't actually prove it, so we have to take his word.

With 21million (see nexgenwars.com) wiis as have been sold, 30 people is .00001%

As is, I know about as many Wii owners. (Public Highschool with 2500 students) as Radek.

No, the game with the most sales determines that. For more information, read Zaius' post. Nice try, though.

What if a crappy game shoots through the roof in sales? Does that make it game of the year? The title requires opinions to back it up. By discounting Blizzaga, you discount every individual, ergo there are no opnions.

Originally Posted by Jeff

If you're looking at it from that perspective, I'm almost positive TP outsold it in the same time period that Zaius cited.

Well, your positiveness is in vain, I'm afraid.

Gears of War sells 3 million in 10 weeks.

TP tops 1 million in 3 months.


And TP had the advantage of being a launch title, too.

Originally Posted by Rhalen

What if a crappy game shoots through the roof in sales? Does that make it game of the year? The title requires opinions to back it up. By discounting Blizzaga, you discount every individual, ergo there are no opnions.

That's true, sometimes an exception like some licensed game tops the charts, but any gamer worth his salt knows what games are crap and what games aren't.

And sure, I don't know all 21 million Wii owners. Only a ****ing idiot would hold that fact against me. I'm not God. But when every Wii owner I know well has his console sitting in his room gathering dust, that tells me something.

Yeah, that 1 Million in 3 Months was in NA alone, and just on Wii. Add up sales from Japan and Europe and you get a very similar, if not a tad higher number than 3 mil in ten weeks.

And being a launch title can also go against sales. While Gears had over 10 million 360 owners to be purchased by, TP had less than 5 million to sell to. Yes, it didn't have much competition, but how much did Gears have on the 360 at that time?

Originally Posted by Jeff

Yeah, that 1 Million in 3 Months was in NA alone, and just on Wii. Add up sales from Japan and Europe and you get a very similar, if not a tad higher number than 3 mil in ten weeks. And if

And being a launch title can also go against sales. While Gears had over 10 million 360 owners to be purchased by, TP had less than 5 million to sell to. Yes, it didn't have much competition, but how much did Gears have on the 360 at that time?

I could still prove you wrong, but we're straying a little too far. Back onto the subject.

Originally Posted by Rhalen

Taking that perspective, everyone's views are irrelevant. So there is no "biggest game" because that takes a multitude of opinions to constitute the title, but since it doesn't matter if people care and are irrelevant, then GoW would not be the biggest game, nor would any other.

It was, though. It's hard to deny that.

Originally Posted by Jeff

If you're looking at it from that perspective, I'm almost positive TP outsold it in the same time period that Zaius cited.

It didn't, though.

Originally Posted by Rhalen

What if a crappy game shoots through the roof in sales? Does that make it game of the year? The title requires opinions to back it up. By discounting Blizzaga, you discount every individual, ergo there are no opnions.

It received multiple Game of the Year awards. You can't deny facts.

Originally posted by Radek
I could still prove you wrong, but we're straying a little too far. Back onto the subject.

Screw that, when has that ever stopped you?

Go ahead and prove me wrong, until then I'm sticking to the numbers I've gathered.

Originally posted by DrZaius1
It was, though. It's hard to deny that.

Actually it isn't. TP's, Oblivion's and Guitar Hero II's respective responses were equally as grand all around. Oblivion's sales weren't, but the critical and fan responses were positively glowing.

It didn't, though.

Like I said to Radek, if you can prove it, go right ahead.

Originally Posted by DrZaius1

It was, though. It's hard to deny that.

Do I really care? No.

It didn't, though.

You miss the point.

It received multiple Game of the Year awards. You can't deny facts.

I was giving a general example and not refering to GoW. Try reading with inflection.

Originally Posted by DrZuis1

Whether or not you chose to accept it, Gears of War WAS the biggest game of 2006. The game sold three million copies in ten weeks, it received multiple Game of the Year awards, and became THE XBox 360 game to have until Halo 3 was released. Simply brushing it aside is a pretty foolish thing to do.

Whether it was the best game of the year or not is totally irrelevant, since you can really only gamble on the fact of a game becoming the biggest seller of the year.

Originally Posted by Radek

It doesn't matter if you care. Nobody asked you if you cared. Gears of War was the biggest game of 2006, period. You are irrelevant.

*Yawn*

Oh, my bad. I was bored by your own dwarfing irrelevancy. See above.

Also, I don't care if my opinion doesn't matter or if nobody asked. We might as well not call this place a forum. Take your bloated elitism somewhere else, please. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Radek

Anyway, all of you guys are NINTENDO fans. You wouldn't be on ZELDA message board if you weren't.

I see.

So then, what on earth are you doing here? Or are you a NINTENDO fan as well?

Yes, I am a NINTENDO fan, so sue me. Is there a problem with that? I'm also a FINAL FANTASY and SEGA fan. Are you going to bash me about that too? To tell you the truth, I'm here for the community, not the ZELDA. Not that it really matters since I am a NINTENDO fan, since that fact alone, according to your logic, is why I am even here. According to you, I must be one of the rare people in the universe to be a multi-console person and post in a NINTENDO-biased forum.



"We go forward not back."

The question is...how do they view themselves going forward? Is it a certain type of game play? Graphics? If plain graphics, then shame on them. If they're going to be graphic whores, I don't want them developing for Wii anyway. There are other ways of "going forward," and it's possible that such a concept can be realized on the Wii.

Myself, I think it was a crappy excuse hastily thrown to finally get the "are you going to make games for Wii?" questions of their backs. They need to specify instead being so vague, otherwise, I can safely assume they're just being Anti-Nintendo fanboys. One word: cowardice. One more word: hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by Jeff

Screw that, when has that ever stopped you?

Go ahead and prove me wrong, until then I'm sticking to the numbers I've gathered.

Prove you wrong? You weren't right to begin with. I cited my sources while you didn't, dumbass.

Originally Posted by Blizzaga

I see.

So then, what on earth are you doing here? Or are you a NINTENDO fan as well?

Yes, I am a NINTENDO fan, so sue me. Is there a problem with that? I'm also a FINAL FANTASY and SEGA fan. Are you going to bash me about that too? To tell you the truth, I'm here for the community, not the ZELDA. Not that it really matters since I am a NINTENDO fan, since that fact alone, according to your logic, is why I am even here. According to you, I must be one of the rare people in the universe to be a multi-console person and post in a NINTENDO-biased forum.

Well, you certainly act like a dumbass fanboy. Read your posts.

"We go forward not back."

The question is...how do they view themselves going forward? Is it a certain type of game play? Graphics? If plain graphics, then shame on them. If they're going to be graphic whores, I don't want them developing for Wii anyway. There are other ways of "going forward," and it's possible that such a concept can be realized on the Wii.

Myself, I think it was a crappy excuse hastily thrown to finally get the "are you going to make games for Wii?" questions of their backs. They need to specify instead being so vague, otherwise, I can safely assume they're just being Anti-Nintendo fanboys. One word: cowardice. One more word: hypocrisy.

Yes! Epic Games has a grudge against Nintendo! They're ANTI-NINTENDO fanboys! That's what it must be! You're a ****ing genius!

Originally Posted by Radek

Well, you certainly act like a dumbass fanboy. Read your posts.

And you act like a stuck up, elitist, anti-Nintendo fanboy. Your point?

Originally Posted by President dude

I’m still waiting for that one game that makes me play it.

Apparently he hasn't heard of the fastest-selling game in american history. Anyone who doesn't recognize brawl isn't worth listening to. End of story.

Originally Posted by Raccoon Mario

But he has a point. Kinda. Most Wii games suck ass. I haven't touched my Wii since January because there hasn't been a decent game out in ages.

Someone needs to buy Mario Kart

Originally Posted by Blizzaga

And you act like a stuck up, elitist, anti-Nintendo fanboy. Your point?

Yes, I'm an anti-Nintendo fanboy, you dumbass ****. You obviously have no idea about who is who at ZU, you little nubling. That's my point. Enjoy =)

Originally Posted by Hombre de Mundo

Apparently he hasn't heard of the fastest-selling game in american history. Anyone who doesn't recognize brawl isn't worth listening to. End of story.

The fastest selling and highest grossing release in entertainment history is Halo 2. Do your homework.

^ Okay, so it was ninty's fastest selling game. My mistake.

Point stands though.

Originally posted by DrZaius1
Prove you wrong? You weren't right to begin with. I cited my sources while you didn't, dumbass.

You cited Zaius, who didn't cite anything.

I'll wait to see if you're smart enough to realize the flaw in that approach.

EDIT-

The 1 Million in 3 Months Source- IGN: Zelda Tops One Million on Wii

Originally Posted by Radek

Yes, I'm an anti-Nintendo fanboy, you dumbass ****. You obviously have no idea about who is who at ZU, you little nubling. That's my point. Enjoy =)

Yeah, and you know who everyone is? Now stop being a moron. I mean really, do you expect to garner respect by cussing people out? We may not know everyone on ZU, but I can tell you are one of the reasons I avoid that.

The fastest selling and highest grossing release in entertainment history is Halo 2. Do your homework.

And the fact that Brawl is doing amazing is negated by this how?

Originally Posted by Jeff

You cited Zaius, who didn't cite anything.

I'll wait to see if you're smart enough to realize the flaw in that approach.

EDIT-

The 1 Million in 3 Months Source- IGN: Zelda Tops One Million on Wii

I actually cited both sources independently. The fact that Zaius also probably cited the same thing shows that he knows what he's talking about too, unlike you. Your argument has degraded into simple finger-pointing. Step up or get out.

Originally Posted by Rhalen

Yeah, and you know who everyone is? Now stop being a moron. I mean really, do you expect to garner respect by cussing people out? We may not know everyone on ZU, but I can tell you are one of the reasons I avoid that.



And the fact that Brawl is doing amazing is negated by this how?

Yes, I do know everybody who deserves recognition. I've been here since day one of the forums. I don't need your respect. I already have it where it counts. And I never said Brawl isn't amazing. Don't put words in my mouth.

Originally Posted by Rhalen

Do I really care? No.

You miss the point.

I was giving a general example and not refering to GoW. Try reading with inflection.

That's your problem. You don't care about the significant details.

No, I don't.

Hmm, well, in the context you put it in it was pretty obvious that you were referring to GEARS OF WAR.

Originally Posted by Jeff

Actually it isn't. TP's, Oblivion's and Guitar Hero II's respective responses were equally as grand all around. Oblivion's sales weren't, but the critical and fan responses were positively glowing.

Like I said to Radek, if you can prove it, go right ahead.

I'm going to have to disagree on that. Guitar Hero II was a pretty big game, but Oblivion was not. Twilight Princess was semi-big. The Wii Launch was a pretty big event, but Twilight Princess was nowhere near it.

I'm hoping to god that someone doesn't try to tell me that Super Mario Galaxy was the biggest game of 2007, and not Halo 3. Super Smash Bros. Brawl did NOT surpass it. Apparently Grand Theft Auto 4 will, however.

Originally Posted by Blizzaga

Whether it was the best game of the year or not is totally irrelevant, since you can really only gamble on the fact of a game becoming the biggest seller of the year.

It wasn't the biggest seller of the year. though. It was the biggest gaming software event, but not the biggest seller.

Originally Posted by Jeff

Originally posted by DrZaius1
Prove you wrong? You weren't right to begin with. I cited my sources while you didn't, dumbass.

You cited Zaius, who didn't cite anything.

Yeah, that definitely wasn't me you were quoting.

Besides, it's so god damn easy to find the numbers that it doesn't even need to be sourced. One types in Wikipedia.org, and then one types in Twilight Princess/Gears of War. Scroll down to sales. What the **** is this website, college or something? I assume most of the information in this discussion is common knowledge.