Nintendo's going down the drain

Nintendo, I think, will not survive the cooperate and competitive world of video gaming after the release of the PS3. Several things play into my opinion on this. For one, the Gamcube is totally screwed. It lost 14% of it's profits last June, and that number is growing thanks to Microsoft's Xbox 360. Plus, the Gamecube has NO really popular games out right now, and the more crappy games Nintendo release, the more they will loose in profits. Secondly, the Xbox 360 is going to boom in profits after Halo 3 comes out. Sure, that won't be for a while, but the Wii's not coming out for another few months either so it won't really matter. Halo 2 sold over 7 million copies, making $125 million on the first day of it's release, and I expect Halo 3 to make much more than that. Finally, with the PSP out and fighting against the DS, although it doesn't have more sales, it's presence, along with a possible portable gaming release by Microsoft, will for sure, in my opinion, ruin Nintendo.

ya I also have thought of that, but I think nintendo knows what they are doing, I hope so.

Ever hear of Wii60? I think that solves nintendo's problem.

Anywho, the GC is dead, we all know that, nintendo even knows, and aknowleges this very unfortunant fact. But nintendo has also learned a great much after the failure of the N64 and the GC, the Wii will not repeat such mistakes. And why even mention the GC? It's old-gen, the upcoming consol race does not include the GC, xbox, or PS2.

Sure, Halo 3 will be microsofts killer app, but by the time it is released the wii will have already staked it's claim in the industry, already sold millions of units etc etc. Halo 3 isn't expected till 2007 mind you, and the Wii is to be released in 2006, thats quite a large difference. The sales of 360 units will only increase magnificently during the release of halo 3 if and only microsoft lowers the price of the unit, which microsoft has said they don't plan to do any time soon.

sure, every single 360 unit will have halo 3, and so what? Did halo 2 kill sony? And who says microsofts handheld will sell? The PSP doesn't seem to be doing all that great, do people whant a high priced handheld? Isn't the handheld supposed to be a device that offers you quick cheap thrills? So what if microsoft makes a presence in the handheld market, sony tried to do so and is now falling behind the DS.

And hell, who says that nintendo releases crappy games? If any system has a load of crappy titles it's the PS2.

Ninty should be fine if they advertise more often and on more variety of channels including the teen and music channels

Originally Posted by AlucardDaMaster

Nintendo, I think, will not survive the cooperate and competitive world of video gaming after the release of the PS3. Several things play into my opinion on this. For one, the Gamcube is totally screwed. It lost 14% of it's profits last June, and that number is growing thanks to Microsoft's Xbox 360. Plus, the Gamecube has NO really popular games out right now, and the more crappy games Nintendo release, the more they will loose in profits. Secondly, the Xbox 360 is going to boom in profits after Halo 3 comes out. Sure, that won't be for a while, but the Wii's not coming out for another few months either so it won't really matter. Halo 2 sold over 7 million copies, making $125 million on the first day of it's release, and I expect Halo 3 to make much more than that. Finally, with the PSP out and fighting against the DS, although it doesn't have more sales, it's presence, along with a possible portable gaming release by Microsoft, will for sure, in my opinion, ruin Nintendo.

You make some good points. However, let's look at history for a moment. The difference between the PSP and the DS sales in Japan is much, much wider than the difference in the USA. And, the sales in Japan, the home nation of both systems, usually counts alot more than the sales in other nations. This is because Japan has a history for liking one console above the rest. That is why the PS1 and PS2 are, admittedly, more popular in Japan than Nintendo. However, one must take in to account, that Nintendo isn't dead in Japan; it's far from it. The only system series that is dead in Japan is the Xbox, because they aren't marketing their system correctly. The Playstation consoles would have to seriously screw up to allow Nintendo to come in to first place, and Microsoft would seriously have to turn their act around overseas to get their system to sell.

However, back to the first thing about the PSP and the DS. Sure, we may see a PSP2. It is likely. However, like I said before, Japan likes their Nintendo portable series just as they like their Playstation console series. In my opinion, and in my theory, if the PSP2 is released, it will do worse than it did this generation, because people will have it in their minds the games that made the DS so popular in the first place, and they will flock to the DS's successor, in greater quantities, than with the first DS. So, Nintendo, in theory, will remain king of the portables.

Now, about American sales of the 360 and the PS3. In my opinion, it will end up like this- PS3 third, Wii second, and 360 first, unlike Japan, where I see the PS3 first, and the 360 last. The 360 will be first, in America, for a few reasons.

A) The 360 came out first, and it has already made a decent splash in the market.
B) It will remain popular in America because of shooters, such as Halo 3.
C) The console, and it's games, are going to be cheaper than the PS3.

The Wii will be second because it is going to be super-cheap. Parents bought systems in the past based on the, what is it, $299 price? That sounds good. When they see the PS3 coming out, which will be $500-$600 dollars, they will flock to the cheapest one. Or, they can have a few games for their PS3, and have to wait until their children's next birthday or the next Christmas to get their PS3 games. Children are, and always will be, a big part of the market, and alot of sales can be associated with parents buying kids games. This doesn't affect the adult market, much, though. However, for families, it will be a different story. Kids do play the PS1 and PS2, as well as the 360.

Now, this doesn't mean the PS will be dead. There will, and always will, be a Playstation. However, where there is a Playstation, there will always be a major Japanese competitor, and that will be Nintendo. And, where there be a Nintendo and a Playstation, there will always be a major American competitor, and that will be Microsoft. That is how I look at it.

Hey, I did this without saying why each system is better, only why they might succeed or fall in second place. Good for me.

Woah. That line in your signature makes your argument appear credible, and realistic. That one that says "Nintendo hater".

Yeah, the GC didn't go too well, but no good games? Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros., The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (And Twilight Princess soon), Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat, Mario Party, Pokemon, Harvest Moon, Pikmin, Animal Crossing, Metroid...

You know, you're right. All Nintendo's games are completely bollocks.

And DS in competition with the PSP? That's just not fair. Sony has been going nowhere with the PSP. DS has there whole Wi-Fi service, plus all these new features, and the PSP has a "wide-screen" (Note quotation marks) and some half-assed iPod features. UMD has completely failed. It was always going to fail. Hard.

Nintendo is in no way going down the drain. I'm expecting this year's Q4 and next year's Q1 returns to be the biggest on record. The Wii is going to own, because seriously, who doesn't want to wave the controller around like a really cool lightsaber, with awesome noises emanating from the controller itself. If you've never pretended to play with a lightsaber, you're just dead inside.

What has the 360 and the PS3 got? Better graphics. And... Yeah, better graphics. Oh yes, "THEY CAN PLAY DVDS YOU N00b! LOL!" Who doesn't have a DVD player? I, for one, have 6 or 7 lying around the house. I really don't need one in my PlayStation. It's just adding to the cost. But in reality, who has a motion-sensitive game concole? All the people that just put your hands up, keep dreaming. Nintendo is most definitely not going down the drain, and in this round of console warring, I'm more expecting Sony or Microsoft to drop out.

Originally Posted by Jodd

What has the 360 and the PS3 got? Better graphics. And... Yeah, better graphics. Oh yes, "THEY CAN PLAY DVDS YOU N00b! LOL!" Who doesn't have a DVD player? I, for one, have 6 or 7 lying around the house. I really don't need one in my PlayStation. It's just adding to the cost. But in reality, who has a motion-sensitive game concole? All the people that just put your hands up, keep dreaming. Nintendo is most definitely not going down the drain, and in this round of console warring, I'm more expecting Sony or Microsoft to drop out.

It's not a matter what what each respective consol can or cannot do, it's a matter of public interest. Right now, it's all about the 360, of course in due time the Wii and the PS3 will reap in some of the consumer interest, and at that time it is quite possible that the 360 may look like old tech.

Now, even if the image of the 360 is downgraded, there will still be a steady release of quality games, but don't forger the wii, it's low price and innovative gameplay will attract more than gamers, which of course works in nintedo's favor. The PS3 isn't doing all that great right now an unattractive price, coupled with the apparent failure of the UMD, and the trouble developers are having with blue-ray.

I see it being between the 360 and the Wii, graphics over gameplay, brawns vs. brains, and in that respect, I think we have quite an equal playing field.

Actually, from what I've seen, people seem to be interested in the Wii. I think that's mostly because they imagine playing their favourite type of games with the Wii-remote. Some imagine WWII games, some imagine Star Wars games and swinging the Lightsaber themselves, etc. The PS3 seems to be anticipated by many, the 360 however is loud, big, and buggy, and I've heard a lot of people calling it crap. Still, Halo 3 is coming up.

Yet the Xbox 360 is my second-hand choice if I won't get the Wii. But of course, it would be silly to dictate the outcome of the next-gen consoles with personal experience. That's not what I'm doing though, I'm just making a rough assumption on things, it's all from my perspective.

Meh. I'm not one to participate in these kinds of discussions, but what I will say is Nintendo has nothing to worry about, and Halo 3, while it's going to be a killer app, might be the last time Halo get's so much extreme extreme hype from Xbox owners. People complained about how much Halo 2 sucked, because they were expecting something new, which a sequel usually doesn't bring. If Halo 3 does the same, Halo's popularity might go more as a bit of a passing fad for anyone other than the extreme fanbase.

I see nothing worth my time on the PS3 list, and unless they cheapen the price like five days after the release then I probably won't get one. The Xbox 360 is doing fine, better than I expected now that they've finally got their whole thing going. It really is pumping out much cooler looking games than I figured it to do because it's seemingly rushed released. Chrome Hounds is what makes me want a 360 now.

The Wii will be fine, and I'll be getting one as soon as possible so I can have Twilight Princess and Metroid.

Originally Posted by Scoria

The Wii will be fine, and I'll be getting one as soon as possible so I can have Twilight Princess and Metroid.

You do realize if the Wii doesn't surpas the GC in sales, the system will become a complete failure, and Nintendo could possibly get out of buisness and become a 3rd party company. Just saying so that we're all aware of that.

I also think that is a distinced possibility, becasue of their Wii-mote concept is not succesful, their will be nothing going for it. However that will probably not happen.

In all honesty the only thing appealing to me, with the Wii is the game-line up. And the high possibility for more third party support, is dier. The GC life span is only surviving, because of the luanch of Twilight Princess. And it's pretty funny, that the Playstation 2 is still a blazing success, and theirs alot going for it.

Nintendo once stated, when commenting upon the future of Revolution;

If the Revolution cannot outsell the Gamecube, we know we have failed.
On the contrary, we outsell the GameCube, we have succeeded.

A cryptic responce from Nintendo, as ever, but it seems they are to determine the true successon the Wii on the figures taken for the GC.

Cryptic? They just fall short of admitting GCN sales sucked, and man, I hope we can do better next time.

Look at the thread starter's sig/avy. This thread was a lash.

Why do people like you still exist? I figured by now the gaming community had matured and gone beyond the "my console kicks your consoles ass....1337!". But, no. We can't all be genius Wii60 members now can we? In my opinion, the big loser of this next generation is going to be Sony.

Originally Posted by AlucardDaMaster

Nintendo, I think, will not survive the cooperate and competitive world of video gaming after the release of the PS3.

Neither will Sony. Anyone who's willing to shell out $500 for a video game console is insane, almost as insane as the company who'll charge that much.

Quite frankly, Sony/Microsoft have TWO "big franchises" each:

Sony: Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts, but both of these are third-party games...
MS: Halo and... wait, Microsoft doesn't have two.

Nintendo still has Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and a slew of newer franchises that are still beyond popular.

Originally Posted by AlucardDaMaster

For one, the Gamcube is totally screwed.

Irrelevent. Gamecube has been dead for some time. Nintendo and all third parties have all but dropped support for it, yet they live on. The original Xbox is also a dead console. By your logic, Microsoft should be suffering right now, and, for your information, I recently saw data that suggests the 360 is actually lagging behind the original Xbox. The general reception of the system, even as the sole next-gen console on the market, has been decidely lukewarm.

Secondly, the Xbox 360 is going to boom in profits after Halo 3 comes out.

I wouldn't say "profits." It took Halo 2 for Microsoft to even turn a single profit with the original Xbox. Xbox had ONE profitable quarter. Halo 3 will be big, and it will make Microsoft some money, but when considering the money they are losing on the system itself, probably not that much. That is the difference between gross and net profits.

But, ignoring that, this is still poor reasoning. What does Xbox 360 succeeding have to do with Nintendo failing? I don't know if you've heard, but Nintendo was, comparatively speaking, the most profitable company even during the Gamecube era. Your argument holds very little weight.

Halo 2 sold over 7 million copies, making $125 million on the first day of it's release, and I expect Halo 3 to make much more than that.

Again, that had nothing to do with Nintendo. To go on the offensive a bit, just how long do you think this Halo fad will last? I can tell you that if Halo 3 isn't a bigger step up from the original than Halo 2, the series will begin to lose its "untouchable" status, however slowly. This has already happened to certain Nintendo franchises, like Metroid or Star Fox; however, Nintendo has kept both Mario and Zelda going with reasonable sucess for almost 20 years because they switch things up a lot. I personally don't see Bunging "switching things up" much with the Halo franchise, and I think that will cause it to lose some appeal with time.

Finally, with the PSP out and fighting against the DS, although it doesn't have more sales, it's presence, along with a possible portable gaming release by Microsoft, will for sure, in my opinion, ruin Nintendo.

Nintendo is currently taking in little money from their home console. They are staying afloat by the DS almost exclusively, yet they live on. The advent of Wii will only strengthen their position in the market. And for the first time in forever, I think Nintendo poses an actual threat to their competitors in terms of cold, hard sales. Wii will have a greater impact on the market than Gamecube.

Originally Posted by Shiek 84

Irrelevent. Gamecube has been dead for some time. Nintendo and all third parties have all but dropped support for it, yet they live on. The original Xbox is also a dead console. By your logic, Microsoft should be suffering right now, and, for your information, I recently saw data that suggests the 360 is actually lagging behind the original Xbox. The general reception of the system, even as the sole next-gen console on the market, has been decidely lukewarm.

So, Microsoft still has the money to pursue in the gaming industry even further, and even ragardless of the sales aspect Microsoft is still making some cash. Sure the sold units are quite low, but the Xbox Live market has helped them significantly.

Originally Posted by Shiek 84

I wouldn't say "profits." It took Halo 2 for Microsoft to even turn a single profit with the original Xbox. Xbox had ONE profitable quarter. Halo 3 will be big, and it will make Microsoft some money, but when considering the money they are losing on the system itself, probably not that much. That is the difference between gross and net profits.

Is this statement, supposedly aware of time.

Originally Posted by SHIEK84

But, ignoring that, this is still poor reasoning. What does Xbox 360 succeeding have to do with Nintendo failing? I don't know if you've heard, but Nintendo was, comparatively speaking, the most profitable company even during the Gamecube era. Your argument holds very little weight.

Yes true, but does that neccisarily mean they made the most money, no! Sure yes if you look at it in that respect, but the main aspect was that they didn't.

Originally Posted by Shiek 84

Again, that had nothing to do with Nintendo. To go on the offensive a bit, just how long do you think this Halo fad will last? I can tell you that if Halo 3 isn't a bigger step up from the original than Halo 2, the series will begin to lose its "untouchable" status, however slowly. This has already happened to certain Nintendo franchises, like Metroid or Star Fox; however, Nintendo has kept both Mario and Zelda going with reasonable sucess for almost 20 years because they switch things up a lot. I personally don't see Bunging "switching things up" much with the Halo franchise, and I think that will cause it to lose some appeal with time.

Has FF tottally lost it's appeal, no! why should this be any different? If Zelda and Mario were able to survive this long, why does Halo fate have to be considered differently?

Originally Posted by Shiek 84

Nintendo is currently taking in little money from their home console. They are staying afloat by the DS almost exclusively, yet they live on. The advent of Wii will only strengthen their position in the market. And for the first time in forever, I think Nintendo poses an actual threat to their competitors in terms of cold, hard sales. Wii will have a greater impact on the market than Gamecube.

What so, the GC wasn't able to become a threat in those same ragards?

Originally Posted by zeldafan1

If Zelda and Mario were able to survive this long, why does Halo fate have to be considered differently?

You can only frag so many people before you get bored. I think Halo will have a good run (maybe another 2 successful games), but eventually it will become Turok. One can only do so much with a FPS.

Originally Posted by Earth

You can only frag so many people before you get bored. I think Halo will have a good run (maybe another 2 successful games), but eventually it will become Turok. One can only do so much with a FPS.

If I remembered correctly Toruk, never had a legacy, correct me if I'm wrong. Also Toruk was never even pursued any further. And Halo is way more of a killer app, then Toruk ever was.

actually, the ps3 is the one fighting an uphill battle thanks to the stupid cell thing, overpriced stuff, lack of third party support, and, of course, the Wii60 program