The latest on the REVOLUTION rumour mill!

Since we're on the subject on how wavebirds are teh suxxors, I decided to check out my own wavebird. I don't see how anyone could accidentally switch the frequencies (channel?) on that thing, unless you have a different configuration (third party? Doubtful), the only thing I can see being hit on accident is the on/off switch. There is just no way any of my fingers would ever get that close to change frequencies. It is also possible to use the wavebird through walls (I just checked), I also know that playing through walls when you can't even see the TV isn't very practical unless you want to intentionally screw someone up without them realizing someone else is using another wavebird. If you want to make sure you and your buddy don't screw each other up, just make sure you use a completely different channel from him (i.e. you channel one, him channel five).
I added my two scents to this mostly pointless conversation, I just hope the revolution will be awsome, wireless controllers or no.

See, what I've been trying to say is wavebirds are very impractical for me in particular. The way my room is set up, with my entertainment center and my bed are close together like that, and all these other situations going on, makes wavebirds nothing but a inconvenient hassle. And even so, I really do not see any convenience in them to other people either. Unless you spent another 30 minutes rearranging your room, and you had your own computer in your room and your own systems in your room (like I have), it's very inconvenient to use a wavebird. Sometimes when I set it down to go to the bathroom, I come back, pick it up, and it changes the channel switch. It's very possible and happens frequently (no pun intended) when I use it, I don't know how you can't flip it. Anyway, if your sister trips over the cord, it's not the controllers fault for having the cord, it's the sister's fault for not watching where she was going.

I see absolutely no inconvenience in cords, and using a cord (I can't because I have no more controllers left) controller from your computer is possible with a cord extension, free with many third-party controllers. Not that I trust them that much (they seem to break a lot faster than my other ones), but they still work for a good few months, and come with the extension free. And if you're really stupid and want to play tons and tons of feet away, get two of them. What if they send to the wrong receiver, and f!@$#% you up? My sister always loves to put it on the same channel I do (she seems to copy everything of mine), because she thinks that channel makes her win. So therefore, we both get @$^#& up and I end up getting really mad. No matter how many times I explain to her, she only ever puts hers one channel away from mine. And on top of that, they have no rumble. That sucks. I just cannot see how cord controllers are impractical, and how wireless are convenient. I just... can't see it!

Originally Posted by I Love Link

Well, that isn't necessarily true. If all the controllers are wireless, I'd bet that the DS has built-in receiver thingys. I mean, look at the picture! Do you see any ports? Unless they're on the back or something. But I think it's built in. ^_^

What are you talking about? What does theDS have anything to do with it? That makes no sense? What picture? I'm confused.

And what the hell does "teh suxxors" mean?

"teh suxxors" is just saying something sucks, might have something to do with leet speak. I can easily avoid the switch on the wavebird, must be the way you pick it up and handle it. That or someone else is switching it on you. The only problem (crap, my left earphone is on the fritz, DAMN YOU!) I have with cords is people tripping over them, and having to maneuver it over moving objects like my cat and the vacuum cleaner. In the unlikely event that I'll need a longer cord, I'd rather go with a wireless and haggle with batteries than mess with a long @$$ cord. I still use my cord for the sole facts that I want rumble and I don't feel like taking the time to scrounge up the proper batteries when I need them good and proper.

I think what I Love Link meant by that was the recievers in the DS to recieve frequencies from other DS's is built in. So she think it's very likely they'll do the same with the rev by putting in-built recievers.

And it's not possible for me to use an extension for a cord controller from my computer because it's about 2 metres from my GC and my brother sits next to me on his comp, in the way. Now he wouldn't want a cord onto of him while I play would he?

Anyway, we're kind of off topic here.

Ooh...I really should proofread. I'm really sorry!

I meant to say the revolution, not the DS. I have no idea what came over me...I'm sorry for confusion. I really should look things over...

I'm sorry! What the heck was I talking about?...<.<

I'll shut up now.

Okay, yeah I was thinking that too, but then why would it have a channel switcher? *thinks* oh yeah! For player 1, 2, 3, etc. But that would cause problems. What if one person playing was so far ahead, he switched his to a different player, to purposely screw up one of the other players so he could get farther into the lead. That would work well on Mario Kart, or SSBM or something. Seriously, that's not good. My idea of the channel switcher inside the controller still stands as the best possible idea. And the thought of grip buttons is still the stupidest, most overlooked idea yet.

Midge: Switch sides with your brother, or stop playing by the computer. End of story. Plus, the "careful maneuvering" and the "moving things such as the cat and the vacuum cleaner" are valid arguements, but they are not the cord's fault. The cords don't cause inconvenience here, it's actually the missplaced items, or the annoying (but yet incredibly cute) cat. The whole careful maneuvering and item placement is an extra 5 seconds out of your life for the rumble feature, no wigging out, and no chance at sending the wrong buttons to the wrong receivers or any of that. Yes, people do change my channel a lot on purpose, forcing me to take the controller with me whenver I leave the room temporarily during a multiplayer session. This is the only convenience of a wireless controller to me, and it is rare. You must have gone to obedience school for video games or something, because both the channel switcher and the on/off switch can get in the way sometimes. *stares at wavebird* In fact, I don't see how you can't accidentally flip it a ton of times. And it's like a 90% chance of wigging out when you turn it on. I often have to turn it off during cutscenes and periods when it is someone elses turn, and when I turn it back on, it causes nothing but serious inconvenience and wigs out.

I don't use the wavebird much so I don't know what kind of interference it might get. Well, ok, I think there were a few instances where the character on the screen would go crazy or something. I can see hitting the on/off switch when going for the C-stick and D-pad, seeing as it is located between the two, but I'd think someone would either be uncoordinated or have large hands were your thumb would reach beyond the C-stick. It's physically impossible for my thumb, or any other finger, to even graze the cannel switch without meaning to, not without shifting my hand in an uncomfortable way.

Originally Posted by I Love Link

Wait, I'm confused. Have you guys seen this picture or not? I could be stupid and you probably have, and I didn't read every single post, more like "skimmed through," but...from what I saw, you're still thinking it's rumor about what the controller. looks like. I'm probably stupid. I'd go with that one.

Sorry for wasting your time. I'm just really confused. ^_^

Amazing! Is that the official controller?

Regarding cords, they are annoying. All throughout my gaming life, I've always have to struggle with cords. The odd thing is that I leave them quite organized and untangled, but when I find them they have tangled themselves together somehow.

I don't see how that's possible WilliamZelda4ever. I mean... How... You must be sloppy and unawares whilst playing (I really get into the game sometimes) to get it taht way. And I don't see how that being the official controller is amazing. I naturally squeeze the grips hard when the game begins to become interesting or exciting, or when I'm nervous (translation: Playing Resi 4, terrified as hell, shaking like mad). That would cause inconvenience, and make you mess up on the game. Sucks butt! And the controll pad without buttons... HOW!? I mean, how would you pull off a Smash Attack? How would you hold a Smash Attack? How would you dash? You can't rest your thumb on a thumbpad comfortably without moving the character/reticle in game. That's horrible... Just the thought of it! I mean, it is innovative, but it is nothing but crap! Crap I tell you! C-R-A-P! That is highly inconvenient and very irregular. What are Nintendo thinking! Gah!

And Hyrule_Soldier, I think your hands are oddly shaped. Anyway, not mainly during gameplay that I flip it, but mostly when I'm changing it to suit my reciever, it's sensitive enough to flip 2 channels instead of the desired one. Then I unpause and screw up. I hate it all. Plus, it's so sensitive, when you set it down, and pick it back up, sometimes that can flip the channel by one or two. See, random things that touch it can cause it to move, and it's so highly inconvenient. I just don't understand the inconvenience of cords, and the convenience of a wireless controller. I just can't see it. No sense whatsoever...

Originally Posted by Samus27

I don't see how that's possible WilliamZelda4ever. I mean... How... You must be sloppy and unawares whilst playing (I really get into the game sometimes) to get it taht way. And I don't see how that being the official controller is amazing. I naturally squeeze the grips hard when the game begins to become interesting or exciting, or when I'm nervous (translation: Playing Resi 4, terrified as hell, shaking like mad). That would cause inconvenience, and make you mess up on the game. Sucks butt! And the controll pad without buttons... HOW!? I mean, how would you pull off a Smash Attack? How would you hold a Smash Attack? How would you dash? You can't rest your thumb on a thumbpad comfortably without moving the character/reticle in game. That's horrible... Just the thought of it! I mean, it is innovative, but it is nothing but crap! Crap I tell you! C-R-A-P! That is highly inconvenient and very irregular. What are Nintendo thinking! Gah!

The controller is not even finished yet, we have quite a long time left for that. Until then anything could happen. Of course they have to add buttons and the whole package, they can't just eliminate one of the basic elements of a game controller like that. Surely they are not as dumb as to do such a thing, these days Nintendo are dedicated to improving on things like that, not replacing them.

Yet again, the cords. I can't explain it, it just happens. I don't bother to be all careful and gentle with the cords, altough I do with the controllers. It's just one of things I never think about, like breathing. It just happens and I can't help but make it an instinct or reflex.

Originally Posted by William Zelda4ever

The controller is not even finished yet, we have quite a long time left for that. Until then anything could happen. Of course they have to add buttons and the whole package, they can't just eliminate one of the basic elements of a game controller like that. Surely they are not as dumb as to do such a thing, these days Nintendo are dedicated to improving on things like that, not replacing them.

Yet again, the cords. I can't explain it, it just happens. I don't bother to be all careful and gentle with the cords, altough I do with the controllers. It's just one of things I never think about, like breathing. It just happens and I can't help but make it an instinct or reflex.

We will find out September 16 from what they are saying, THEY HAVE FINISHED THE REVOLUTION!

And Hyrule_Soldier, I think your hands are oddly shaped. Anyway, not mainly during gameplay that I flip it, but mostly when I'm changing it to suit my reciever, it's sensitive enough to flip 2 channels instead of the desired one. Then I unpause and screw up. I hate it all. Plus, it's so sensitive, when you set it down, and pick it back up, sometimes that can flip the channel by one or two. See, random things that touch it can cause it to move, and it's so highly inconvenient. I just don't understand the inconvenience of cords, and the convenience of a wireless controller. I just can't see it. No sense whatsoever...

My hands are shaped like any other, it's probably just that I don't have much experience with that particular problem. The channel wheel on your controller must be easier to turn than mine, I ran my linger over it several times and it would move slightly, but not enough to cause it to switch on me. what other objects could cause it to change? The convenience or unconvenience of something might just be a psychological thing. I'm just guessing, but someone might feel tethered down by a cord, a wireless might make them feel like they just gained some sort of freedom. From a technichal standpoint, the cord is the likely superior in many ways.

Basically the people arguing for cords, are the sort of people who don't mind sorting out cords (and cords do get tangled if you have lots of consoles and friends) and the people arguing for wireless are the people who like when technology makes things easier, and cooler. Personally I like technology, I mean I'll sort out cords if I have to, but who wants to? The disadvantages such as no rumble? I've heard rumble will be on the new wireless anyway. And the whole "change frequency thing", first of all if you are on your own, how can you touch the dial accidentally when its in the middle? Keep your left hand on the left side and your right hand on the right side. Secondly if the danger is with people changing frequency to cheat at video games then thats just the equivalent of unplugging someone's cords.
Anyone revolution will have wireless
Trust me I have a mullet

A mullet doesn't mean anything. Seriously, it doesn't. And pardon me, I accidentally said "And then I unpause and it screws up." It just hit me, if the channel is wrong, how do I unpause? Ugh, bad defense on my part. And sharpener, I'm the only person who's defending the cords. And I still can't see how cords cause problems. All these inconveniences are fault of your own, not the cords. And, what I meant by other objects turning the dial, is when I set it down and pick it back up. As I pick it up, the dial gets moved as I move the controller, it's called friction see? Sometimes it's a good force, sometimes it's bad. I just can't stand wireless, and from what I've said in the past, it's more of a personal pet-peeve backed up with good, solid evidence. And I still can't see how it is convenient (and the times that it is are personal situations, not in general). We're talking about general playing here, not person-specific situations. Say you have lots of consoles and lots of cords. I do, and it still isn't unorganized, and it takes very little time to organize and maintain.

What I'm trying to get at, is people who are lazier tend to like the Wavebirds, and people who don't mind cords and people who cords don't bother prefer cords.

Ninboy, tell me more. Lots more. Please ?

Originally Posted by Samus27

All these inconveniences are fault of your own, not the cords.

It's easier to change products than to change people. Cheaper, too. And less offensive to the people.

Most of the problems you've cited with wireless controllers are either outlandish or outdated. There's nothing preventing wireless controllers from providing all the features of wired controllers, minus the cord, and plus a recharge device. These days there's no good reason for a controller to be wired.

And while you have your great fear of people tampering with their channels, I have far more fear of a pack of friends, a case of beer, and a late night of gaming. Though I'll try your method of demeaning them if they find themselves at odds with the cables. And forgive me if I cry foul on the whole terror of switching controller channels; in all my years I've only seen someone switch once. On purpose. And we all had a laugh. Then it was over, and we went back to playing.

....Outlandish? Outdated? Nothing preventing wireless controllers from providing all the features of wired ones, minus the cord? No good reason for cords?

Lemme tell you something, there's no good reason to not have cords. What's wrong with cords? There is good reason for a controller to have a cord, and I've previously stated that. I didn't understand the point of your first three sentences.

Channel flipping occurs frequently for stupid reasons, and I think it's easily avoidable by covering the dial with a panel. I don't see how cords are inconvenient, and having no rumble is dissapointing. A wavebird is just a fee from yourself that just keeps on charging (ha, ha...ha).

As Dryth said, there is no good reason for a cntroller to be wired anyway. Like you said, the channel changing thingy could easily be covered by a panel of some sort.

And I have never flicked the channel changer thing accidently. I do however turn my wavebird on and off constantly. It's kind of a habit of mine, whenever a loading screen appears, I turn off the controller, and I always turn it back on as soon as I'm in a position to play again.

I do that too, it's the only way to make the controller last longer than 5 hrs. And, when you turn it back on, it wigs out. But there's no reason to take off the wires of controllers. I mean, all it does it cause problems, and it provides no convenience whatsoever in every situation I've seen. Plus, wavebirds have no rumble, and can oft send the wrong signal to the wrong receiver. I've said this all before, can't you people go back and read it?

Originally Posted by Samus27

Lemme tell you something, there's no good reason to not have cords. What's wrong with cords? There is good reason for a controller to have a cord, and I've previously stated that. I didn't understand the point of your first three sentences.

Lemme give you a rundown of this topic so far:

Someone: A wireless controller would be useful because then I don't need to worry about X!
You: X is only a problem for you because you're stupid and lazy. You just need to stop being stupid and lazy.

Repeat a dozen or so times. People've presented why wireless controllers are useful. You retort by telling them it's their problem and to get over it. You could make the same arguments you're making for wired TV remotes, or standing up to change the channels. Or for corded versus cordless phones. Use your imagination for why we don't.

Originally Posted by Samus27

Channel flipping occurs frequently for stupid reasons, and I think it's easily avoidable by covering the dial with a panel.

Again, refer to my statement above. Or how about this: Your channel flipping problems seem to be the result of your friends. Maybe you should get new friends; that's basically the advice you've thrown at anyone preferring wireless controllers for any given reason. But then, you've also provided a more viable solution. Don't assume that every wireless controller in the future is going to be a Wavebird.

Originally Posted by Samus27

I do that too, it's the only way to make the controller last longer than 5 hrs. And, when you turn it back on, it wigs out.

My Wavebird's gone 40 hours in the past without trouble, including 10+ hour continuous sessions. My Fountech Airstyle gets me 12 hours even with rumble turned on, and we'll see even better performance from future wireless controllers with rechargeable lithium, NiCad, and NiMH batteries.

It's easy to explain, the whole laziness/stupidity deal. We have already invented all sorts of things to make our life easier, like a TV remote controller or smaller mobile phones. It's not really necessary, but it makes life easier. We don't even actually need houses, it's just they make our lives so much easier. Apply this way of thinking to the Wavebird or whatever you say is unnecessary. Just don't think too far though, like having a chair with built-in toilet/toast/fridge, etc.