Revolution to be Weaker than Competition?

This is disappointing. It was to be expected. Nintendo reps have been preparing us for this for a while, but it still sort of pisses me off. Article ahead.

07/13/05 4:39 pm Posted by Ryan

Fresh off our trip to New York City to the Digital Life Press Preview event, we have come back with some important news for Nintendo fans concerning Nintendo's next console currently code-named the Revolution. There has been much speculation about the console's graphics, and how "next-generation" the games will be. Satoru Iwata has promised that the game's will "wow" consumers, but we just don't know how the games are going to look.

Well, at the Digital Life Press Preview event, we spoke with ATI, the developer and producer of the Revolution's graphics chip currently known as the "Hollywood". According to the ATI representative we spoke with, the Hollywood graphics chip is more powerful that the GameCube's graphics chip, but not on par with that of the Xbox 360 or PlayStation 3. At the time of the event, the ATI representative was not able to elaborate on any specs or any other information on the Revolution. We were only told not to expect the same graphical quality that the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 will offer.

Knowing that however we are not sure how much of a differenece there will be between the Revolution, Xbox 360, and PlayStation 3's graphics. There has been much speculation as to how the Revolution's graphics will look, and much speculation about that Metroid Prime 3 demo shown at E3 2005, which we can tell you was built on the GameCube hardware, not that of the Revolution. At this time we would speculate that the difference in the graphic power of the Revolution and the Xbox 360 will be comparible to that of the difference between the GameCube and the Xbox. It is also to be noted that pure specs and technical power do not alone make up a console or it's performance.

We could speculate further, but we are just going to have to wait for Nintendo to come out and show us the Revolution, it's graphical power, and what sort of gameplay "revolution" the machine will offer. We have spoken with ATI and brought back what little information is available, and at this point you are just going to have to wait for more information directly from Nintendo. You can count on GameCube Heaven to keep you updated.

http://www.freewebs.com/gamecubeheaven/index.htm

So it seems as if Revolution is going to be technically incapable. This fact, along with the probability of some unorthodox controller will make might make ports impossible. What incentive does a developer have to make games for Revolution? This is going to be N64 all over again, with Nintendo being the sole supporter of their console.

Let's get this straight. There is no information on any game for Revolution. The Revolution design showed at E3 is not final. In truth, they are planning on making it smaller. Why? It obviously isn't necessary. We have no idea what kind of controller or lack thereof that the Revolution will utilize. We do know that the Revolution will not support HD. We know there is no hardrive. And if this article to to be believed, we also know the Revolution will not match up visually. We also know through a recent Iwata quote, that "controllers have too many sticks and buttons". So I would expect the Revolution to only have one control stick at most, and less than four face buttons. Terrific!

So, other than the fact that we can download old Nintendo games (which is awesome, though possible right now through illegal methods), everything we know regarding the Revolution is negative. Sure, I like many other Nintendo fans sat back and said Xbox 360 is "so not next gen". Now, Revolution games won't even look that good, which is embarrasing. If the supposed MP3 trailer (which was actually run on Gamecube hardware) in any way resembles what Revolution games will look like, man, what a disappointment. Because, you know, that trailer sucked and couldn't hold a candle to most things on Xbox 360 or to anything on PS3.

Nintendo needs to counter all of this bad news. If they had any intelligence at all, they would hold a Space World this year, plain and simple. I'm not claiming to know how to run a company better than them, because I don't. I do see a huge ammount of discontent, even on their very own forums. It is sad and funny at the same time. People aren't happy, and they want information. If they don't get information soon, then Revolution will be lost in all of the hype of the competition. There needs to be some positive Revolution press, better sooner than later.

I'm all up for new methods of input. The Revolution excites me. But, at the same time, I'm prepared for the worst. Making games simpler is fine, but do it with me (and those like me) in mind. Not my 40 year old parents, my grandma, toddlers, or my dog. They don't want to play video games, they do not view video games as an acceptable art form, I don't want to play games with them ect. It is a flawed stategy. I don't want to buy something that isn't even aimed at me. I will still buy it for Nintendo franchises, old Nintendo games, the promise of new gameplay, and for the fact that it WILL be cheap. Still, I'm sick of all of the negative news. There is no way a sane person can take the news of no HD or less powerful graphics in a positive way. Only the blind or insane.

Yeah that pisses me off too. Nintendo will be a lot over-powered by the other systems and it shouldnt be that way. Nintendo needs that power and I dont care what anyone else says. That whole thing about how it doesnt matter how powerful the system is what matters is the gameplay is somewhat true but more power would make the gameplay alot better. Im almost loosing faith in Nintendo because they are always behind. If they keep this up they will be just like sega, they wont make enough money with their system and then they will just be making games.

It will be weaker but we don't know by how much, as it says it could be in comparison what Gamecube is to Xbox. The Gamecube is no Xbox, but it's not bad either, I'm not worried, if this controller is all what it's hyped up to be then Nintendo can survive.

"If" is a big question. The controller scares me more than the graphics at this point. Sure, it could be great. But for all we know, it could be a major step backwards. The idea that Nintendo is trying to simplify gaming and that there are "too many sticks and buttons", doesn't sound promising to me. I want games like SSB3 to play more or less like they do on GC. If the controller doesn't allow for this, I will not be happy.

People will say, but it is backward compatible with GC, so it can't be too radical. Not true. Sure, there are GC controller slots, but those are for GC games, not for Revolution games.

Also, Nintendo surviving is not my issue. I'm sure they will survive. Heck, maybe by some less than 1% long shot, Revolution will become the must have item for non-gamers. Great! What does that do for me?

correct me if I'm wrong (because this is just a rumor I heard),
The PS3 is estimated to be 40-50 times stronger than the PS2
The XBOX360 is supposed to be 20-25 times more powerful than the XBOX
And the Revolution is supposed to be 2-3 times more powerful than the GameCube

if this is true, the revolution will be less than one tenth as powerful as the XBOX360, and less than one twentieth the power of the PS3 (please correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't want Nintendo to die)

Originally Posted by BB_11

correct me if I'm wrong (because this is just a rumor I heard),
The PS3 is estimated to be 40-50 times stronger than the PS2
The XBOX360 is supposed to be 20-25 times more powerful than the XBOX
And the Revolution is supposed to be 2-3 times more powerful than the GameCube

if this is true, the revolution will be less than one tenth as powerful as the XBOX360, and less than one twentieth the power of the PS3 (please correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't want Nintendo to die)

Remember when Sony said the PS2 would be able to render Toy Story graphics in real-time? Yeah, don't believe all the PS3 hype.

See, this is why I'm getting a PS2 tomorrow. Nintendo never ceases to dissapoint.

This thread really has started to worry me, Nintendo are just doing things how they like it - and not how there fans would. Which is most important. Nintendo are goimg way to slow, and now the Revolutions coming out - it seems as if there taking a step backwards. Then I could just thing "Well, I'll just get a PS3 (I really don't want a X-Box 360.) - I'm not forced to buy Nintendo consoles. But if I don't I'll miss out on Zelda and Metroid etc. The only games I really, truely enjoy on Playstation consoles are Final Fantasy's and maybe GTA. Still, we need to give Nintendo a slap round the face and make them realize how crap there console is looking against its competitors. Does it have less powerful graphics than the Gamecube? That can't be right.

Please, someone persuade me why Revolution will still stand nice and strong in the Next Generation of Video Games. And please Nintendo give us what we want!

Ever since the release of GameCube, Nintendo has never seased to piss me off.

The Revolution will either be a complete faliure or a instant sucess. But Nintendo's goal is to make a system "for the whole family" and they think that other system controllers have "too many buttons and may discourage non-gamers". WHAT THE HELL IS NINTENDO THINKING? Are they brain dead or something? Making games for people who can't play current systems because they get discouraged from the number of buttons on the controller don't deserve to play video games. And making games even easier? Nintendo, what in God's name are you smoking?

OMGWTF NINENTDO??!!!11 :mad: :mad: :mad:

Seriously, you people need to shut the hell up. You're complaining about a system that we know almost nothing about.

^ Thank you

And for those of you who think Revo's gonna flop, just shut the hell up right now. You seem to be forgetting what Revo has literally made a name for itself already with in the gaming industry without it even being out yet-

1. Able to finally play dvds
2. 220+ past games literally at your finger tips to download for a super reasonable price

3. Free, wireless, out-of-the box internet


And have you all forgotten what they said they'll be launching with? Super Smash Bros 3, and what else did they say will try to have released shortly after? A new Metroid Game, and another Zelda like TP.

And you all seem to be forgetting that it's only the North American market that so heavily worship graphics. Other continents don't care how nice graphics may be, they care about the enjoyment of the games, that's why Gamecube is Second worldwide, not far behind PS2 and beating out X-Box. Just because America don't like it doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't.

Originally Posted by Shiek 84

"If" is a big question. The controller scares me more than the graphics at this point. Sure, it could be great. But for all we know, it could be a major step backwards. The idea that Nintendo is trying to simplify gaming and that there are "too many sticks and buttons", doesn't sound promising to me. I want games like SSB3 to play more or less like they do on GC. If the controller doesn't allow for this, I will not be happy.

Shiek, you make some valid points. I have been worried about the whole "Revolution" from the beginning, but I feel Nintendo can make it through. The thing about the controllers being too complex also worries me. How are you supposed to play third-party games? You can't. That's just it.

In all truth, I expected Nintendo's next system to look weaker in comparison to the 360 or PS3. Nintendo doesn't seem to care about graphics, they seem to care more about innovation.

Originally Posted by Mirren

And you all seem to be forgetting that it's only the North American market that so heavily worship graphics. Other continents don't care how nice graphics may be, they care about the enjoyment of the games, that's why Gamecube is Second worldwide, not far behind PS2 and beating out X-Box. Just because America don't like it doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't.

Good point, that's very true. YAY JAPAN!

Nintendo does things the way they see is right, if you are getting so angry with Nintendo why do you have their systems? If Nintendo keeps on going at the pace they have been and stay out of the competition but get enough money to stay alive, they can be on top. Sony and Microsoft overlook Nintendo, they spend more time killing each other ad when either sony or microsoft looses in one of the Generation battles then Nintendo can come back...I remember reading an article about it that went indepth about Nintendo economically.

Originally Posted by jehuty

Nintendo does things the way they see is right, if you are getting so angry with Nintendo why do you have their systems? If Nintendo keeps on going at the pace they have been and stay out of the competition but get enough money to stay alive, they can be on top. Sony and Microsoft overlook Nintendo, they spend more time killing each other ad when either sony or microsoft looses in one of the Generation battles then Nintendo can come back...I remember reading an article about it that went indepth about Nintendo economically.

This is a perfect point. There was a presidential election like this, but I don't remember which. It was in the 20's or 30's. Anyway, the person who was just sitting back and watching eventually won.

Didn't even read the thread and can say simply, nope. Nintendo can be trusted. Always.

I was pretty sure Revolution would turn out this way. Dumbasses that think they're gamers go and buy Xbox 360 so they can have their good graphics. Did anyone else also notice how the graphics between PS2, Gamecube, and Xbox are almost exactly the same? I sure can't see the damn difference. Still, people are retarded. So they'll go for the console with the best features and power.

Originally Posted by Mirren

And you all seem to be forgetting that it's only the North American market that so heavily worship graphics. Other continents don't care how nice graphics may be, they care about the enjoyment of the games, that's why Gamecube is Second worldwide, not far behind PS2 and beating out X-Box. Just because America don't like it doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't.

Actually, it's kinda like that where I live. It's mixed - some people are totally into Xbox for the graphics and all that, while other people enjoy Gamecube. Others just bought PS2 because everyone else did and because it has a built-in DVD player.

Originally Posted by Mirren

^ Thank you

And for those of you who think Revo's gonna flop, just shut the hell up right now. You seem to be forgetting what Revo has literally made a name for itself already with in the gaming industry without it even being out yet-

1. Able to finally play dvds
2. 220+ past games literally at your finger tips to download for a super reasonable price

3. Free, wireless, out-of-the box internet


And have you all forgotten what they said they'll be launching with? Super Smash Bros 3, and what else did they say will try to have released shortly after? A new Metroid Game, and another Zelda like TP.

And you all seem to be forgetting that it's only the North American market that so heavily worship graphics. Other continents don't care how nice graphics may be, they care about the enjoyment of the games, that's why Gamecube is Second worldwide, not far behind PS2 and beating out X-Box. Just because America don't like it doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't.

You don't get the big picture, Nintendo isn't what they used to be. They are trying to make Revolution for the non-gamer instead of the hardcore gamer. They want the games to be easier, the controlls to be less complicated (To tell you the truth, the only comlicated controller, if this counts, is the Nintendo DS. Using that damn touch screen and no joy stick.). Revolution's "biggest" feature is downloading old NES, SNES, and N64. Like GBA, Nintendo is going to rely on old success to keep them in the gaming industry. They say we will get a brand new Legend of Zelda, Super Smash Brothers, and new Metroid game at it's launch. I can't deny that that excites me, but I doubt that they will do it.

As for the controller... I don't even want to see it. If it's touch screen, then that will be it. I will be done with Nintendo and their toys.

However, Nintendo games online. This could go entirly bad, or could be the greatest thing to ever happen in gaming history. We will have to wait and find out, but I am excited to see.

To tell you the truth I have very mixed thoughts about the Revolution (as you can tell from reading this post). I know it will be amazing if they try. I do not think they tried much with GameCube or Nintendo DS.

Originally Posted by Nash

As for the controller... I don't even want to see it. If it's touch screen, then that will be it. I will be done with Nintendo and their toys.

It's a let-down for me too if they use a touch-screen. What's up with them and touching things? Kinda weird. I prefer normal controllers.

Originally posted by Nash
You don't get the big picture, Nintendo isn't what they used to be.

Your opinion, I think they're doing fine

Revolution's "biggest" feature is downloading old NES, SNES, and N64. Like GBA, Nintendo is going to rely on old success to keep them in the gaming industry.

You do realize how many people are intrigued by the fact that the internet gaming is free, wire-less, and available the second you open the box right? That beats the holy-hi-nizzle outta PS3 and X-Box's online gaming.

They say we will get a brand new Legend of Zelda, Super Smash Brothers, and new Metroid game at it's launch. I can't deny that that excites me, but I doubt that they will do it.

They put up a new Smash Bros. with Gamecube launch, so Smash Bros 3 is a very likely idea.

TP is going to have a major impact when it comes out, no doubt, they'll wanna repeat it.

Metroid Echoes was IGN's Gamecube Game of the year, and has done very well in sales along with Metroid Prime, they'll wanna repeat that likewise.

As for the controller... I don't even want to see it. If it's touch screen, then that will be it. I will be done with Nintendo and their toys.

Toys? Heh, you obviously haven't an idea of what Nintendo actually is and what they stand for.

I do not think they tried much with GameCube or Nintendo DS.

DS is now getting some amazing games, and it was the most-bought electronic product around Christmas. Hell, it's dominating PSP in sales.

Gamecube is still second worldwide, and has had a number of original, fun, awesome games, both big-name franchises and new ones. It's doing very well.

I want somthing NEW. Not some poorly made take on the FPS genre, see. All we have right now, in terms of video games are genre's. And they all play EXACTLY the same. All video companies are doing is making a newer clique story, different characters, different weapons, and better graphics etc. It like reading the same book over and over again but instead of "Mike" it's "Johnny". And quite frankly, I'm sick of it.

I can't wait to see what nintendo is going to do, seeing how they want to get out of the repetitive clique industry called videogames. Jesus, they are all the same, please nintendo, give us something exciting and wonderful... somthing NEW.