Nintendo E3 Paradiso Thread

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Talk about Nintendo related E3 stuff here. Games you're hyped for, whether Nintendo looks more promising this year, whatevs. E3 baby.



If there's any MAJOR NEWS LINKS, or really cool stories you think everybody should see, shoot me a PM or VM. I'd like to have something edited into the first post. Something to give this thread some SWAG.

I'm slowly beginning to like Nintendo Land. I think I might buy it, even if it isn't bundled with the console... other than that, Pikmin 3 and Zombi U are must-haves for me.

And oh boy, I think E3 2013 is going to blow us all away in terms of first party title announcements! There's the 3D Mario (which we know is already being worked on), Retro's game (it counts as first party for me ), Monolith Soft's game, Zelda Wii U, Zelda 3DS, possibly Metroid and Star Fox... it's going to be a great E3.

/fanboy that doesn't want to learn from past E3 experiences.

Retro's game doesn't "count as first party for you," it counts as first party, period. Retro is a first party Nintendo dev.

Originally Posted by Berry Punch

Retro's game doesn't "count as first party for you," it counts as first party, period. Retro is a first party Nintendo dev.

Yeah you're right. I thought it was a second party developer, an independent studio making games exclusively for Nintendo. But they have become first party. My bad.

It was an okay lineup for 2012 at least. They didn't really talk about anything for 2013 so I don't know what to expect after the New Year.

There are at least a few games for the WiiU and 3DS I want so I'd say it served its purpose.

Originally Posted by Kyrie

Yeah you're right. I thought it was a second party developer, an independent studio making games exclusively for Nintendo. But they have become first party. My bad.

Which is really good news for us. Retro is solid gold.

The good:

- ZombiU and Rayman Legends; Ubisoft continued their dominance on the second day of this year's E3 by adding 2 new exclusive WiiU titles. ZombiU is sold as the return of survival horror: limited resources, an unending swarm of zombies and real time weapon switching and door hacking, giving you no respite from the onslaught. No story bogging this game down, the only instruction is to survive as long as you can and when you die, you become another human and you have to track your now zombified corpse down for supplies. Definitely a promising title and although it may be ported to the 360 and PS3 E3 2012: ZombiU Could Go Multiplatform - IGN for the time being its a WiiU exclusive.

Rayman Legends caters to a completely different audience, some might say Nintendo's traditional audience. But it seems like a solid Rayman platformer that makes good use of the WiiU gamepad and is different enough from Origins to not seem stale.

- The new 3DS Castlevania game seems solid. Has the classic Castlevania gameplay with a few tweaks to make it seem fresh, has an amazing artstyle and good voice acting. A solid 3DS title.

- Pikmin was one of their more solid titles, which is why they opened the show with it, but it was graphically unimpressive, although it did look fun. If it does enough to differentiate itself from the previous Pikmin games it could be a solid title.

The bad:

- 3rd party titles that are/ will be a year or more than a year old. Its quite sad that the bulk of Nintendo's 3rd party support is Mass Effect 3, Arkham City, Darksiders 2, Ninja Gaiden 3 and Assassin's Creed 3. By the time the WiiU is released these games will for the most part be half a year to over a year old and cost 20-30$ on other platforms, now why should anyone pay a full 60$ price tag for them, when they're on the WiiU?

- Uninspiring 1st party titles: I know there were a whole slew of Nintendo 1st party titles shown, but for the most part they did nothing to differentiate themselves from their predecessors other than add a fairly inconsequential factor into the gameplay eg. replacing badges with stickers in Paper Mario and showering Mario with coins in NSMB2. Its fine when Nintendo does it once, but when it keeps happening, title after title it gets a little grating.

- No WiiU release date or price tag: I understand not releasing this info last year, but the WiiU is slated for a late 2012 release. What does it hurt to show the price tag/ release date? Are they scared of backlash from the rumored high price tag? Or are they just carrying themselves in their typical tight lipped way of being that we've grown accustomed to? Who knows.

- Finishing the conference with Nintendo Land, if its a tie-in with the WiiU I guess I somewhat understand it, but why close with it. Usually you want to start and end on a high note (because the beginning and end is what leaves the biggest impression on the audience). They certainly started on a high note, but the end should've had something like a Zelda or a Metroid. Something that the audience could really sink their teeth into. Instead they got Nintendo Land, which is essentially a mini game compilation (well technically the announced a Zelda game on the WiiU lololol.) Sony had the same problem of ending on a ♥♥♥♥ty note with Wonderbook, but that doesn't excuse Nintendo ignoring the basic rules of showmanship.

- The 3DS conference: Apart from revealing the entirety of the conference before the show making it all redundant. Most of the games (other than Castlevania) were unimpressive. Specific example that comes to mind is Epic Mickey, which I swear looks worse artistically and has less varied and fluid gameplay than the Magical Quest games on the SNES.

-WiiU graphics: For the next gen it looks a lot like the current gen, its already 6-7 years out of date and its not even released yet.

Overall: A couple of gems here and there, but overall the worst of the 5 conferences in both what was shown and its organization.

So the rumor online is that Retro dropped the ball. That the WiiU conference was supposed to end with their secret project and that they ducked out at the last minute claiming not to be ready.

^
It would explain why they spent so much time on Nintendo Land instead. Retro should've just come up with a teaser, making us hungry for more information.

Originally Posted by TheGhostOfMandrag

So the rumor online is that Retro dropped the ball. That the WiiU conference was supposed to end with their secret project and that they ducked out at the last minute claiming not to be ready.

... Really?

Hearing this has gotten me more excited than both the WiiU and 3DS conference put together.

How so? It means their project isn't on schedule. That it would have been launch window but now is indefinitely delayed.

Originally Posted by TheGhostOfMandrag

How so? It means their project isn't on schedule. That it would have been launch window but now is indefinitely delayed.

Hmmm... well I always got the impression that it means that they could be taking their time with their next project. More time = better results.

I can't say if it's smart of me to be optimistic about it. Now that I think about it, I'm not so sure anymore.

So, it seems that Nintendo is dealing with safety concerns regarding people abusing the messaging system in the Miiverse - by moderating each comment individually, thus potentially delaying them by 30 minutes or more:

E3 2012: Miiverse messages will be moderated, delayed | Games industry news | MCV

That's an...interesting way to go about it. Whatever happened to parental safety options?

Filtering out inappropriate messages is one thing, but I'm thankful for a system like that, to prevent spoilers from being posted.

So how would they go about censoring us? I swear very casually. Would my ♥♥♥♥ go through with just the words covered up or replaced or would the message be rejected?

What if I offhandedly mention a spoiler as part of a larger dissertation? Can the line be removed or is the whole message gone?
What caliber need a spoiler be to get censored at all?

And how many ♥♥♥♥ing people are they going to have to hire to sort through the multitudes of inane prattling that EVERY SINGLE POST is only delayed by thirty minutes?

Originally Posted by Astarael

So, it seems that Nintendo is dealing with safety concerns regarding people abusing the messaging system in the Miiverse - by moderating each comment individually, thus potentially delaying them by 30 minutes or more:

E3 2012: Miiverse messages will be moderated, delayed | Games industry news | MCV

That's an...interesting way to go about it. Whatever happened to parental safety options?

^ Why don't they just do what they did in the Animal Crossing games? (specifically (Wild World DS from what I remember) Words like "♥♥♥♥" or "♥♥♥♥" would just come up as being blank.

So you would get a message like " ---- you!" or "this ------- sucks!"




Dunno it would seem easier that way than moderating that place 24/7. Of course you could go past it easily by using letters like üǎē etc. So... *shrugs*

At the same time though, it would make the whole asking friends for help thing shown in the pre-E3 conference impossible.

It would take half an hour for your friend to receive the message and another half hour for you to receive a response. So an hour as a minimum? That's horrible.

It would've been better to just apply a filter.

I imagine the reason for this is because messages can include drawings now...swear words can be filtered easily enough, but not a picture of a penis.

All the same though, surely it would make far more sense to just include an option to disable the ability to see messages/drawings from strangers.

Originally Posted by Astarael

I imagine the reason for this is because messages can include drawings now...swear words can be filtered easily enough, but not a picture of a penis.

That makes more sense now. I forgot that it will include drawings. I thought it was just all words which made me wonder why they wouldn't just filter them.

All the same though, surely it would make far more sense to just include an option to disable the ability to see messages/drawings from strangers.

This. I'm not really a fan of getting wacky messages from complete strangers.

Originally Posted by Pietro

- Uninspiring 1st party titles: I know there were a whole slew of Nintendo 1st party titles shown, but for the most part they did nothing to differentiate themselves from their predecessors other than add a fairly inconsequential factor into the gameplay eg. replacing badges with stickers in Paper Mario and showering Mario with coins in NSMB2. Its fine when Nintendo does it once, but when it keeps happening, title after title it gets a little grating.

Well, that's not entirely fair... Paper Mario is one of the most exciting things on the 3DS's horizon. Just the fact that they're ditching the SPM style is enough to be excited about, but it does seem different enough from the first two PMs. We don't know enough to know that it'll be very different, but we also have very little reason to suspect it'll be a retread with a gimmick, like you're saying.

For example, the fact that there won't be level grinding but you level-up by doing sidequests and exploring is a pretty fundamental change.

Also it's pretty cool that the game has a distinctive art style from the first two PMs as opposed to just looking like a downgraded TYD.

As for (both of) the NSMBs, I'm not arguing with you on that one...