Sony's Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale

Originally Posted by cloneofshadow

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Looks like a Wii to me

Please read all of what I wrote instead of picking out the parts that are beneficial to what you are saying. I said it could be attributed to the intentional blurryness of the image, making it look too curved.

Its still doubtful to me in a lot of ways just looking at it. Because it is overly curved. But image quality is hard to say.White is a fancy tech colour, so it could be anything. Maybe its a hard drive. My point was that a blurry picture is laughable when someone takes it for fact.

Any how besides the fact that it sould be completely pointless to rip anything from a wii game for use on a ps3. I think a lot of people are forgetting that Sony actually has professional designers and people to do this stuff. They don't need to rip it cos they are masters of code and can simply do it themselves.

Magenta

I'm gonna try to add a bit of positivity to this thread...

I doubt many people at ZU are familiar with the fighting game community, but according to this article, two fairly well-known fighting game players, Ed Ma and Maj, are going to working on the combat in All Stars. I think its exciting that Sony would hire some people who are really familiar with fighting games and the community that surrounds them. I'm hoping their involvement in the project will help the dev team come closer to creating their "accessible yet deep" experience their striving for.

I wish Nintendo would do something like this, but instead Sakurai gives the middle finger to anyone who wants to make his game a fairly deep, challenging and competitive experience. Seriously, check this out: Super Smash Bros. Brawl: a beloved mess of contemptuous game design | Bitmob.com. Some of his design choices are absolutely atrocious and benefit no one (tripping, for example, which only is there to punish the player for playing the game). Lets hope Sony doesn't make these mistakes as well.

Originally Posted by Red Green

Its still doubtful to me in a lot of ways just looking at it. Because it is overly curved. But image quality is hard to say.White is a fancy tech colour, so it could be anything. Maybe its a hard drive. My point was that a blurry picture is laughable when someone takes it for fact

You really need to get your eyes checked if you can't tell that is a Wii. That or everyone else is dreaming an imaginary Nintendo console when they loo at the picture.You can even see the grey stand on the bottom and the oh-so not tech savy grey wires coming from the same spots as the Wii's inputs go.

Clone, you don't understand my point. I'm stopping.

And wow, Captain that is really awesome they would get people like that. I can't imagine this game being a disappointment. Honestly I think Sony will do an amazing job. Do those people have anything to credit them too, from before?

I'll be keeping an eye on this game. I enjoy the Smash games and I enjoy a lot of the games that are exclusive to Sony's consoles. Maybe this game will be pretty good, even with its many similarities.

Bonus points if it has Jak.

Originally Posted by CaptainTMS

I'm gonna try to add a bit of positivity to this thread...

Originally Posted by CaptainTMS

Super Smash Bros. Brawl: a beloved mess of contemptuous game design | Bitmob.com.

Right... And "positivity" these days includes negativity towards Nintendo and its franchises.

That was one of the most negative, whiny, and overtly fanboyish articles I've read about Brawl. Let me break it down for the fanboys here who are too blinded to see it.

Originally Posted by Carlos Alexandre

"For this contempt, for these deliberate and backwards design decisions, gamers and press rewarded Sakurai handsomely, ensuring the same thing will happen with the eventual Super Smash Bros. 4. Bravo."

Complete, utter BS. Even the most die-hard fans of Brawl have bombarded Sakurai with pleas to remove tripping, which the author bases his entire article upon. Throughout the article, Alexandre plays the role of the "victim" and straight-up lies by saying that Brawl's flaws have gone by unnoticed, nonetheless, as he suggests, praised. EVERYBODY's been bugging Sakurai about tripping, like these folks right here and legions of other gamers.

E-mail to Sakurai (yes, it involves tripping) - Smash World Forums

There is no reason to assume Sakurai would not learn from these mistakes unless you personally dislike him, and Alexandre clearly does. I did a bit of extra research, and this is what he posted in the discussion section of another article about the PS All-Stars:

Originally Posted by Carlos Alexandre

That's one reason I'm looking forward to this over the next Smash: NO SAKURAI.

Q.E.D.

And here's what he added at the bottom of the article:

Originally Posted by Carlos Alexandre

"(UPDATE: Or just play the upcoming Playstation All-Stars Battle Royale, which has competitive player input and seems, at this point, much more thoughtful.)"

Hmm... fanboy much? He practically turns the entire thing into a commercial for PS All-Stars Battle Royale.

Originally Posted by CaptainTMS

I'm hoping their involvement in the project will help the dev team come closer to creating their "accessible yet deep" experience their striving for.

I wish Nintendo would do something like this,

It's already been done.



Just because Brawl had random tripping you can't ignore everything else about the series.

Originally Posted by Thegargoylevine

I'll put on my Nintendo fanboy cap on and ask, WHY?

Yes, PS has awesome exclusives and deserves its own crossover game with PS exclusive characters. But why did they have to imitate Nintendo by making their first major mash-up game a 2D platformer-fighter? It could have been a racer, or a sidescroller platformer, or an action RPG, or a mixed sports game, or a real time strategy game, or a third person shooter, or a 2D Street Fighter-like game, or a 3D Tekken-like game, or best of all, it could have created its own sub-genre like Super Smash did!

ANY of those options wouldn’t have seemed like shameless leeching of Nintendo’s ideas, but the way it stands, it seems like they just don’t care. This is just another mark against Sony in their long list of failures to bring anything new to the table, opting to imitate instead of innovate. And that’s a shame, because once upon a time Sony was the King of Innovation, pulling revolutionary products like the Sony Walkman and the Sony Trinitron out of their rear ends like it was nobody’s business.

/end Sony rant

starting off your post by declaring your biased option is not a fantastic way to start it.


Are you suggesting they should've went went another route for their crossover? perhaps more 'original' like the ones you suggested?

^a racer

^an action RPG

^a mixed up sports game

^2-D Street Figher-like game

All of them had been done at one point another, and something makes me think if Sony did one of those types of games no one would be making a big deal about it. No, it's just because it's Nintendo that people are making a big deal about it.

And as I pointed out on the last page, this alleged "sub genre" of fighting hasn't even been exclusive to Nintendo within the past 10 years. Heck-- another CROSSOVER game used this formula and there was no big controversy and outcry.

I'm a huge Nintendo fan, but I'm a huge fan of gaming in general too. I think this is great; it's certainly based on Smash Bros, no doubt, but I'm sure it will turn out to be a successful franchise in its own right.

From the five to six people I've spoken to about this, it seems the Nintendo fans are more worried that the game will turn out better than Brawl, and Nintendo will be cast aside in that department. I don't think it's an outrage over Sony 'ripping off' Nintendo as much as it is an outrage that Sony may actually make a better game. I don't think it will be better than Brawl, simply due to the characters; they seem less 'real' to me than the characters in SSB. But who knows, it could be better.

One thing is for sure; the success of this game will ultimately determine how good the Wii-U SSB is. For that, I am happy.

It could have been a racer, or a sidescroller platformer, or an action RPG, or a mixed sports game, or a real time strategy game, or a third person shooter, or a 2D Street Fighter-like game, or a 3D Tekken-like game, or best of all, it could have created its own sub-genre like Super Smash did!

Nintendo did no such thing.

Originally Posted by Insert Pony Name Here

Nintendo did no such thing.

Four player king of the hill fighting was already a thing?

Smash Bros. is...
- analog stick smashing mechanics
- percentile rating driving characters to fly farther
- Sumo wrestling ring out game play
- cross-over multi series characters
- platforming style areas

Nintendo was to first to do this type of game. Unless you count a SUPER obscure game called Outfoxies.

I like how Colonel Radec actually uses guns. I know that Snake had military weapons but none of which actually fired bullets.

I absolutely love games of this style, however, I'll be blunt about it and say the visuals are rather bland for a PS3 game and All-Stars is a complete rip-off of Smash Bros. just as the PS Move was of the Wii Remote.

How is it a ripoff, exactly?


My turn to be blunt: you have no ♥♥♥♥ing clue what you are talking about. Way to blow off other posts. More specifically, ones providing links describing how this game isn't a ripoff.

And even if it was, is that such a bad thing? See my first post in this thread.

Originally Posted by Zecora

How is it a ripoff, exactly?


My turn to be blunt: you have no ♥♥♥♥ing clue what you are talking about. Way to blow off other posts. More specifically, ones providing links describing how this game isn't a ripoff.

And even if it was, is that such a bad thing? See my first post in this thread.

I understand what you are saying.

The examples you provided are good games but they are still rip offs.

Again, how is that a bad thing?

Do you ♥♥♥♥♥ at Dodge for ripping off of Ford because their pickups also nave steering wheels, four tires and headlights?

Yea this kind of "copying" more or less happens in industries all the time, especially gaming. Or should we write off all FPS games ever released since, what, Doom or Quake (or w/e FPS was "first") as nothing but rip-offs with better graphics?
I'm sure if Nintendo truly wanted to keep SSB exclusive to them, they would've used a patent or some kind of copyright. If they're not doing something about it, maybe they just don't care. Maybe they encourage these kind of things. Just because they work for Nintendo doesn't mean they see all Sony developers as enemies or rivals. They could be admiring eachother for all we care, and they should.

I am still hoping they will add more of their own flavour to it so as to not make it feel so overly similar to Smash, especially for avid Smash-players who might be looking for a fresh breeze in the genre.

Sorry about the length of this post. I got carried away while typing it.

I know there haven't really been any complaints about Sony not having iconic or memorable characters here, but I've been seeing it a lot across various gaming forums lately, and I just had to mention this just in case anyone was feeling the same way here.

I think the main thing that people seem to not realize when saying Sony doesn't have memorable or iconic characters is the fact that there are people in their 20s today who started gaming with the Playstation. The original Playstation came out in 1994/1995 depending on where you lived, and the people who were turning 5 or 6 during that period and were just starting to play games are now in their twenties. Those people grew up with characters like Sweet Tooth, the Pipo Monkey, Jak, Daxter, Sly, Ratchet, Clank, and Parappa. And based on the sales of the Playstation 1 and 2 in relation to their competition, there are tens of millions of people out there who only owned the Playstation 1 and 2 as they grew up.

Sure, Sony may not have a Mario and Pikachu, who even people who don't games can recognize, but they have characters that gamers recognize. Even if you've never played a game on a Playstation console, you probably recognize Sweet Tooth, Jak, Daxter, the Pipo Monkey, Ratchet, and Clank. You may not even know their names, but if you saw pictures of them, you'd say "Oh, I regonize them." Hell, there are people who don't even know what Link's name is, and he's one of Nintendo's most iconic characters.

You could argue that Sony only has a handful of memorable characters, and Sony already including Fat Princess and Radec proves that they're scraping the bottom of the barrel. But let me ask you this: Other than the hardcore Nintendo fans, who really recognized Ness, Lucas, Captain Falcon, Marth, Ike, Roy, Pit, ROB, Ice Climbers, and Mr. Game and Watch? Very few people. You could maybe even throw Samus into the mix (only back during the first Smash Bros. though, not Melee and Brawl). The only reason people recognize them now is because they were in Smash Bros. In fact, the first Fire Emblem game wasn't released in North America and Europe until 2003/2004. That's a full two years after Melee was released. No one but hardcore Nintendo fans recognized Marth and Roy.

You could have argued back during Melee that Nintendo was scraping the bottom of the barrel with characters like Dr. Mario, Pichu, Marth, Roy, Ice Climbers, Young Link, Ness, and Game and Watch. They were either blatant clones of characters that looked exactly like them (Dr. Mario, Pichu, and Young Link), or random characters that the average person who bought Melee wouldn't recognize. That's eight characters out of 25, or one third of the entire cast. I guarantee you, if one third of Battle Royale's cast is made up of obscure characters like Dart and Sir Daniel Fortesque, you'll hear people saying how Sony had to scrape the bottom of the barrel or something.

Sure, Pipo Monkey, Jak, Daxter, Ratchet, Clank, and Parappa may not hold a special place in your heart because you grew up with Donkey Kong, Mario, Link, and Kirby, but there are millions of people out there who couldn't care less about Donkey Kong but care deeply about the monkeys from Ape Escape. Does Sony have a Mario or Pikachu? No, but they do have loved characters.

Plus, if they can manage to get classic Spyro and Crash in, it would be even more nostalgiac for the people who grew up with Playstation.

Sorry about that entire rant, I just had to get it off my chest.

Anyway, I'm excited for this game. I've been excited for it ever since it was rumored last year. What characters do you want to see in? Assuming the rumored give or take 20 characters rumor was right, I can see this roster.

PS1 era:
- Parappa (Parappa the Rapper)
- Sweet Tooth (Twisted Metal)
- Pipo Monkey (Ape Escape) (Or they could put in Specter or Spike. Pipo Monkey's more recognizable though)
- Sir Daniel Fortesque (Medievil)
- Dart (Legend of Dragoon)

PS2 era:
- Kratos (God of War)
- Sly Cooper (Sly Cooper)
- Jak (Jak and Daxter)
- Ratchet and Clank (Ratchet and Clank) (Tag team)
- Wander (Shadow of the Colossus)
- Ico and Yorda (Ico) (Tag team)

PS3 era:
- Mael Radec (Killzone)
- Fat Princess (Fat Princess)
- Sackboy (LittleBigPlanet)
- Nathan Drake (Uncharted)
- Cole McGrath (Infamous)
- Nariko (Heavenly Sword)

Random/Others/Third Party:
- Kat (Gravity Rush)
- Lightning (Final Fantasy) (As much as people would want Cloud, Square seems to be in love with Lightning right now)
- Lara Croft (Tomb Raider) (She has a new game coming out this year, and Tomb Raider and Playstation have a history together)
- Crash Bandicoot (I'm actually not as sure about this one because of Activision, but I'd love it)
- Spyro (Same as Crash)

That would bring the complete roster to 22+ depending on the number of third parties. They could get rid of randoms like Dart by putting in people like Carmelita Fox from Sly, Nefarious from Ratchet and Clank, or more than one Ape Escape character, but with this roster, they only pull one character from a franchise. They could put others like Qwark and Bentley in the game in a sequel if it's successful.

I think Jak, Ratchet, someone from Ape Escape, Sackboy, Nathan Drake, and Cole are pretty safe bets. The rest are just characters that I'd like to see that I think have a good chance of getting in.

If Dart from The Legend of Dragoon is playable, this game automatically goes on my wishlist.