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Old 04-23-2012, 11:38 PM
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Re: EA Announces Expansion of its "Always Online" DRM

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So then, why do you think plenty of people pirate?
Because it's free.

Every other benefit is pretty much bonus.

Like, there are other reasons, but I think this one is probably the most obvious one.
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Old 04-23-2012, 11:48 PM
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Yes, yes I can. I always buy games with non intrusive (or no) DRM and pirate games with DRM. I do so because I do not believe in DRM.
I don't like the way Capcom does 50 re-releases of every fighting game,but that doesn't give me any right to steal from them just because I don't like their practices. Imagine a world where everyone stole things because they didn't like the way a company marketed,priced,or sold their games.
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Old 04-23-2012, 11:54 PM
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@Ty: Yep, same as with music. You don't want to gamble your cash - especially if they're hard-earned - on something you might not even like after all. You know, kinda like those albums where one or two songs are straight HITS and the rest of the songs are just crappy rehashes of the same melody.

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I don't like the way Capcom does 50 re-releases of every fighting game,but that doesn't give me any right to steal from them just because I don't like their practices. Imagine a world where everyone stole things because they didn't like the way a company marketed,priced,or sold their games.
As far as I'm concerned, THEY are stealing from US when they release crappy overhyped games, except they are being stealthy (read: hide behind the law) about their methods.
Take for example Asura's Wrath, by Capcom. The demo is insane and of course features some of the most - what I consider - appealing parts of the game. When you buy the full game though (as I did) then you see the game's appeal is mostly shallow, yet fully priced at the same time.
Now I'm not gonna say 'yeah, please go steal a dozen games everyday', but you've gotta admit these companies don't always play fair either.

Again, seems this is being derailed into a bit of a piracy-discussion:p
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Old 04-24-2012, 12:29 AM
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Re: EA Announces Expansion of its "Always Online" DRM

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I don't like the way Capcom does 50 re-releases of every fighting game,but that doesn't give me any right to steal from them just because I don't like their practices. Imagine a world where everyone stole things because they didn't like the way a company marketed,priced,or sold their games.
I don't consider piracy stealing, if you do consider it stealing then don't steal. But to say that the reason DRM exists is because of piracy is simply wrong, its to ensure the largest profit. Take Madden for example, for the last few editions those who bought a legal used copy of the game were forced to buy an additional online pass to play Madden online. Was this form of DRM to stop piracy? Obviously not, it was to get money out of people who bought used because EA doesn't see a penny from used game sales. DRM isn't about piracy, its about greed.
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Old 04-24-2012, 12:39 AM
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Re: EA Announces Expansion of its "Always Online" DRM

Is it not also greed to take whatever you want for free regardless of whether you have the right to do so?
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Old 04-24-2012, 12:47 AM
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Is it not also greed to take whatever you want for free regardless of whether you have the right to do so?
Good job evading the question, but as I said I don't consider piracy wrong. Its a neutral act. I don't consider piracy greedy anymore than going to a library and reading a book for free or going on this site despite the fact that ZU doesn't have the express written consent of Nintendo to use any of their official artworks.

So to answer your ridiculous absolutist question it depends on the situation. It is a neutral act to make copies of some things for free but not others.
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Old 04-24-2012, 01:04 AM
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There's no need to get snarky.
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Old 04-24-2012, 01:21 AM
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So meh, well, the only game I play that EA "owns" on the PC is Battlefield 3...and I always play online anyway.

Sucks they go this far with this idea, really stupid.
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Old 04-24-2012, 01:34 AM
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Re: EA Announces Expansion of its "Always Online" DRM

PC gamers are gonna snap if they find this out.
Ea: We love ruining our own fanbase with our origins and make rushed game with DLC with content that should be in the vanilla game because we preferred money over our customers just like Capcom with their on disc DLC, rushed games, Rehashes of street fighter, Formulated series.
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Old 04-24-2012, 01:48 AM
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Good job evading the question, but as I said I don't consider piracy wrong. Its a neutral act. I don't consider piracy greedy anymore than going to a library and reading a book for free or going on this site despite the fact that ZU doesn't have the express written consent of Nintendo to use any of their official artworks.

So to answer your ridiculous absolutist question it depends on the situation. It is a neutral act to make copies of some things for free but not others.
My understanding was that the one short question in your paragraph was rhetorical.

I'm not being absolutist, I'm not defending EA of all things, I'm saying quit preaching about how you get to pirate DRM'd stuff because THEY are greedy.
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Old 04-24-2012, 02:25 AM
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I don't consider piracy stealing,
It is by law.
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Old 04-24-2012, 02:34 AM
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It is by law.
Deviation is the only way to change it, in rhetoric and in practice. Companies such as Spotify are great examples of how deviation to the regular business models of music through piracy has led to a better experience for the consumer.

In essence, right now the gaming business model is to make a game, put 60% of it on a disc and sell it as the main product, then release the extra 40% incrementally to nickel and dime gamers. Basically, fat kids like EA, Capcom and Activision want to have their cake and eat it too, at the expense of others. For some of us, that's just not going to happen. If we were, for example, aiming for a model that was like that of Spotify and similar products, then piracy would be an effective way deviate until they deciding to offer the games for free or at a greatly reduced price, and then offer the additional content for a price. Boycotting is by far the most effective way to make your voice heard and piracy is very similar to boycotting in many aspects.
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Old 04-24-2012, 03:54 AM
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It is by law.
By law, it's piracy. They're different. Piracy is no more theft than are murder or libel or drug possession or trespassing. Everything with its own name is its own thing.
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Old 04-24-2012, 04:00 AM
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Re: EA Announces Expansion of its "Always Online" DRM

You know, I have no problem with this for an MMO type game, but if they're doing this for singleplayer or shooters or whatever then they ain't seeing a penny from me for them.
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Old 04-24-2012, 04:17 AM
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Old 04-24-2012, 05:15 AM
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I bet these "online universes" will allow you to play a game you bought on your PS3/360 on your PC and vice versa.
Theoretically, "online universes" could, and should, mean just that.

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What EA really meant to say is "we're gonna stop allowing users to physically and digitally own their own games so we can further perpetuate our money-grubbing schemes in the name of offering universal experiences like ❤❤❤❤ty phone apps (for example, the WoW Armory app is so complex and engaging) and half-baked PC programs (Origin is so ahead of the curve)."
The WoW armory app is free. It's largely useless, but it's free, so what's the issue with something like that?
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Old 04-24-2012, 06:33 AM
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It is by law.
Well its not stealing, but I agree that by law piracy is illegal. I've never claimed that it wasn't.
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Old 04-24-2012, 07:05 AM
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"This new version of the always online requirement will feature the implementation of “online universes,” where the games players purchase will exist on the servers rather than on one’s computer."

Good thing they never shut their servers down prematurely..

oh wait.
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Old 04-24-2012, 11:43 AM
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EDIT: Upon reading more closely, the "games will exist on our servers instead of your platform" bit is never actually mentioned. All EA are referring to is their attempt to build an online cloud infrastructure that allows game progress to persist across multiple platforms. Nothing there suggests users will forfeit their ownership of a game (at least more than they "legally" already do via EULAs). But yeah, OP, thanks for the spin doctoring.
Not sure if you were referring to insaney's quote at the bottom of his post or the actual article he linked to. Wouldn't surprise me if some company did try that though (which is probably why the article writer came to that conclusion)
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Old 04-24-2012, 10:35 PM
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Re: EA Announces Expansion of its "Always Online" DRM

I must admit I do like the idea of multi-platform games as I'm tired of the gaming world being divided
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