[Multi] The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - Buggier than a lollipop in an antfarm

Originally Posted by Stoatz

The graphics are horrible on the PS3, Skyrim reminds me of a PS2 game compared to most PS3 games

You've yet to play Oblivion on PS3 then.

That's an exaggeration on your part; they're not absolutely fantastic, but it's passable. As I said before, this tends to happen with cross-console games that are in development for ages. Kinda stabbed themselves in the foot by doing that I suppose.

I find nothing wrong with the snow effects, but the snow textures on wooden planks and such do look pretty heinous.

Originally Posted by I like to kiss other boys

Weren't you just talking about how everyone looked too dirty for you? Come on, relax. You don't have to pull out, "well, that's just your opinion, man!" especially when you can't even deny the problems he's pointing out.

If the game's problems don't bother you, more power to you, but don't pretend they're irrelevant just because you're choosing to ignore them.

I can't deny the problems and I won't, they're obvious. The dirt does bother me to a degree, the other things don't really for the most part.

There are surely a lot of problems and I'd be an idiot to even try and make excuses for them. However I enjoy the games anyway, I'm not going to expect them to make a bugless game with such a large overworld.

It is seeming fairly empty, but when the game has been out for a day you can't really speak for the entire thing, can you.

In short, Bethesda really sucks but I enjoy the games for the most part for the setting, lore, I kind of like the combat.

Never did I try and cover for it, never did I say "lol ur opinion man" in an effort to discredit the gripes he has with the game.

He's entirely right.

Yet I can't help but enjoy the Elder Scrolls series, and as of yet at least for me it's too early to make a judgement of the entire game.

I'll probably like it less then Oblivion, which I liked less than Morrowind, but it's no big deal to me.

I'm not worked up either, I'm not sure if I should be apologizing for appearing so or you thinking I am.

I said in short but I'm still talking for some reason.

I feel I can't properly explain myself too well, but I like it even if it's got loads of problems.

If that makes me a bad person or something for supporting bad games and ruining the industry or something.

Sorry about the misunderstanding.

Originally Posted by Andross

How is it lucky to not be so critical of such things? Being critical and praising only the best of the best is how we improve ourselves and society around us. You can believe what you want, but I'm convinced it's nothing more than "I don't really want to take the effort to think for myself about things and I'll lap up whatever crap companies throw at me." :/

It's not so much that as it is "I'm having fun with this game." I mean sure, Bethesda aren't the best game designers out there but from what I've experienced I've had a blast running around, exploring, questing, treasure hunting and whatnot. If that means I'm mindlessly cramming ♥♥♥♥ down my throat then please serve me up a second helping.

Most disappointing thing to me so far is that I can't name my enchanted stuff.

Also I'm avoiding the main quest. Gettin' some explorins in.

Originally Posted by I like to kiss other boys

Sorry about the misunderstanding.

No problem.

I don't even know how to multiquote so uh

@Sailboat yeah that's pretty much what I was trying to say but I'm pretty sure I just came off as a dick when I said it

I came into contact with a giant a while back, and it hit me several hundred feet in the air with a single swing.

Which I wasn't really expecting when I got close to it, oh well a while dodging and flamethrowering renders it pretty much dead.

Hmm can't name enchanted things eh?

I'm curious as to why perfectly fine features get removed from games like that.

Originally Posted by Sailboat

It's not so much that as it is "I'm having fun with this game."

Yes, but the word "fun" is incredibly vague here. How can it be "fun" when all of the factors that contribute to a game being "fun" (Mechanical design, challenge, buglessness, exploration, quest structure, etc.) are poorly designed and poorly implemented in Skyrim? It just doesn't make sense to me.

I guess if we judge it as some virtual reality simulator that you play when you're bored and have nothing better to do as opposed to a rule-bound game, then I can see the title serving that purpose well enough. The fact that it's compared to and elevated by its fanbase above actual games that are clearly better by any measurable, analytical standard is what I find upsetting, however. If people hailed this piece of software as a "good 'dicking around' simulator" instead of a "good game," then I wouldn't hold nearly as much enmity for it.

I agree with you to an extent, a short list of games that are better.

Morrowind.
Baldurs Gate1,2
Fallout 1,2
Planescape Torment
X-com UFO defense

Actually the list is pretty long for games that are of better make.

Just attribute my enjoyment of the game to it being a "Dicking around simulator" then.

Originally Posted by insaney

PC port is bad. Not only is it unoptimized to perform, but the UI is total butt when it comes to the mouse. As in, you can't click everything, you have to use the keys for most of everything. And there are some things you HAVE to click and can't use the keys. Though I'm getting used to using TAB to go back/cancel, and E for selecting; sometimes when a "yes/no" option comes out, pressing the keys don't do anything and you have to use the mouse to select.

I've been navigating the menus with WASD, and occasionally the mouse, and I found it really enjoyable. It's nice to be able to jump into the menu and navigate with WASD instead of having to move the mouse around, since it is kinda slow in the menus. I haven't found any real issues with slowness in game once I turned up the sensitivity in the settings, though.[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Xeno

Also the 1-8 numpad hotkeys don't want to work for some reason.

Mine work!

Originally Posted by John

People are reporting some pretty serious UI problems (mice not working in menus, poor vertical mouse-movement) and lots of graphical glitches (especially with AA and shadows). Not to mention random framerate fluctuations. :/.

I did notice that my character doesn't appear to have a shadow.. which was weird, when I was standing next to four other characters, who each had their own shadow.

Originally Posted by insaney

I've only fought one dragon so far. And it was flying around like a dick. And the y-axis is so slow I couldn't look up to hit it, so I had to wait until it landed.

I don't think it's that slow after turning up the sensitivity. At the start I hated it, but once I turned that up I was fine.

Originally Posted by Panique

Mine work!

Yeah I figured it out. You don't assign hotkeys from the item menu. You favorite them, go to the "Q" hotkey menu, then hotkey them again. A little convoluted, but meh. I've got my spells assigned.


Can't wait for a decent UI mod.

I didn't realise you could only do that from the favourites menu. I did it from there in the first place.

I like the UI. Am I the 1%?

I'm of the opinion that Bethesda took a huge turn in the right direction from Oblivion. Yeah, yeah, the animations are ♥♥♥♥, but this is Bethesda. What they do is make damn fun and immersive games. And yet again, Skyrim pulls it off fantastically.

If you take offense at the terrain or animations or huge overworld, etc... Overlook that, if only for a moment, and just enjoy what the game did right. Then you're free to go piss all over it for all I care.

Originally Posted by Andross

Yes, but the word "fun" is incredibly vague here. How can it be "fun" when all of the factors that contribute to a game being "fun" (Mechanical design, challenge, buglessness, exploration, quest structure, etc.) are poorly designed and poorly implemented in Skyrim? It just doesn't make sense to me.

I guess if we judge it as some virtual reality simulator that you play when you're bored and have nothing better to do as opposed to a rule-bound game, then I can see the title serving that purpose well enough. The fact that it's compared to and elevated by its fanbase above actual games that are clearly better by any measurable, analytical standard is what I find upsetting, however. If people hailed this piece of software as a "good 'dicking around' simulator" instead of a "good game," then I wouldn't hold nearly as much enmity for it.

I'm just curious, what games are fun to you??

Also, my copy of the game should be here in a couple days, so excited

I got the PS3 version. The graphics are actually way better than a ps2. Umm... Puts oblivion to shame. Even on my suped up computer with the maximum visual settings.

My only gripe is the snow. Look close up on objects/mountains. Looks painted on.

AI is better. Animation is better. Modeling is better. Faces are better. Story is better. Particles are better. Level design is better. What is there to hate?

Something that could be perceived as lazy; rotating camera around character in third person, then walking a certain direction. His rotation is automatically set to the new one. I think they could've just used a quaternion.slerp. What do you think?

Alright. I have the game. I picked it over BF3 and MW3. XD
Hope I made the right choice. ^^
I didn't really get into the lore of Elder Scrolls.
I'll let you guys know how will it go later.

Originally Posted by Andross

Yes, but the word "fun" is incredibly vague here. How can it be "fun" when all of the factors that contribute to a game being "fun" (Mechanical design, challenge, buglessness, exploration, quest structure, etc.) are poorly designed and poorly implemented in Skyrim? It just doesn't make sense to me.

Please teach us the algorithm required for inducing fun, because we obvously don't understand.

Originally Posted by Taills

Most disappointing thing to me so far is that I can't name my enchanted stuff.

My enchanted axe begs to differ bro

Originally Posted by Andross

Yes, but the word "fun" is incredibly vague here. How can it be "fun" when all of the factors that contribute to a game being "fun" (Mechanical design, challenge, buglessness, exploration, quest structure, etc.) are poorly designed and poorly implemented in Skyrim? It just doesn't make sense to me.

I guess if we judge it as some virtual reality simulator that you play when you're bored and have nothing better to do as opposed to a rule-bound game, then I can see the title serving that purpose well enough. The fact that it's compared to and elevated by its fanbase above actual games that are clearly better by any measurable, analytical standard is what I find upsetting, however. If people hailed this piece of software as a "good 'dicking around' simulator" instead of a "good game," then I wouldn't hold nearly as much enmity for it.

so in other words you're saying HAVING FUN IS ONLY VALID IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN TO ME WHY YOU FIND IT FUN. ♥♥♥♥ OPINIONS I WANT FACTS


You think it's an awful, horrible game. Fantastic, good for you. Tastes differ, it happens. But when you're talking down on somebody because they (GOD FORBID) think it's fun, then you've got some major problems. You're acting like your opinion is fact and it's really an unattractive thing to do.



Good job ZU. Nice knowin' we can make any thread into one huge argument if we put our backs into it.



Can we all just get along and talk about the game like civil people for once?



Gonna continue my journey up to Solitude once I get grab some food. I hope to god I see Argonians there because I haven't seen a single damn one the entire time I've been playing.

Sorry for arguing so much, I do it a lot and it's stupid. I am also the cause more often then not.

I saw an Argonian. He was a bandit and I killed him.

Aside from that, nothing.

I came home early to play it. And it's just as I hoped it would. OMG I can't stop playing! Except I have to go to bed...

I haven't come across any Argonians yet, but I did meet an arrogant Khajit at the College of Winterhold. J'Zahar or something. He's a super dick.