PC vs Console

Originally Posted by Blizzaga

It's always something else you have to get for the P.C. if you want to do something. Why couldn't the bluetooth have been built-in? >.>

Most do nowadays...it's odd that yours doesn't. Unless it;s an older computer.

Originally Posted by Lunchbox*

Most do nowadays...it's odd that yours doesn't. Unless it;s an older computer.

We bought it like three years ago and it came with Vista.

Originally Posted by Blizzaga

I'm actually looking forward to using my Wiimote and Clissic Controller Pro as controllers for the PC. Just gotta get a durned bluetooth adapter.

It's always something else you have to get for the P.C. if you want to do something. Why couldn't the bluetooth have been built-in? >.>

Yeah, I know. It's so easy to use a Wii-Mote with an Xbox 360 or a PS3, or vise versa, though.

Most do nowadays...it's odd that yours doesn't. Unless it;s an older computer.

Many desktops didn't just a few years ago; I'm sure many still don't. It's not often that you need to utilize bluetooth without some sort of provided USB dongle anyway.

The PC is definitely capable of playing games through emulation of other platforms, but this isn't legal and thus I'd like to ask the discussion about that sort of thing to end here.

Rules say we're allowed to discuss emulation, legal or otherwise, so long as we don't provide information explaining how to emulate illegally.

Yes PCs can emulate so much, though that's an illegal and experimental thing so I wouldn't necessarily count that as a real argument. It all depends on the person's skill, time, and level of interest.

Skill and time? Really? To emulate games?

Originally Posted by 8bit

Yeah, I know. It's so easy to use a Wii-Mote with an Xbox 360 or a PS3, or vise versa, though.

I wouldn't need to use a Wii-mote for a PS3 or 360 since both consoles have actual good controllers. I have yet to find a USB controller for PC that isn't crap.

Originally Posted by Blizzaga

I wouldn't need to use a Wii-mote for a PS3 or 360 since both consoles have actual good controllers. I have yet to find a USB controller for PC that isn't crap.

Have you found the Xbox 360 controller?

Originally Posted by 8bit

Have you found the Xbox 360 controller?

Yes, but that's for the 360, isn't it?

Originally Posted by Blizzaga

Yes, but that's for the 360, isn't it?

And Windows...

I'm sure theres a Linux driver for it as well, though it's obviously not supported by Microsoft like the Windows driver is.

USB Xbox 360 controllers work on PCs. You just have to plug them in. The Wii and PS3 controllers can be made to work on a PC in less than ten minutes with the right drivers.

And even ignoring the three of those you can easily get controllers that are functionally identical to the Xbox and PS controllers, such as:

It's basically an Xbox 360 controller with a built in fan to cool your hands.

My point is that an XBox controller is Xbox-exclusive, not an official PC controller. Like I said, I have yet to come across an PC controller that is any good.

The Xbox controller is not Xbox exclusive. It is designed to work with PCs.

Also, the Logitech controller I posted above is pretty much identical to the Xbox controller with a fan inside it. If the Xbox controller is good, how exactly is a controller that works in the exact same way not good?

Originally Posted by Blizzaga

My point is that an XBox controller is Xbox-exclusive, not an official PC controller. Like I said, I have yet to come across an PC controller that is any good.

They don't need to make a good PC controller if the Xbox one works perfectly, though, do they?

It depends on the situation really. For real gaming (more "hardcore" gaming), PC outclasses console in every way. Any console player trying to pass them off as a "hardcore" or "pro" gamer is laughable. On the other hand, consoles are much easier and faster to transport and set up. It's also generally a better "party" gaming device in the sense that it's easier to have fun with friends, family, etc. when they come over although lately 360 and PS3 released games have been single-player/online specific with no option for splitscreen or otherwise.

Originally Posted by shadowspawn

For real gaming (more "hardcore" gaming), PC outclasses console in every way. Any console player trying to pass them off as a "hardcore" or "pro" gamer is laughable.

Yeah, except for the whole half of all hardcore titles being console exclusives thing.

Originally Posted by silver arrow

Yeah, except for the whole half of all hardcore titles being console exclusives thing.

The thing is they're not hardcore titles. People just call them hardcore to make themselves feel better about playing an inferior game. Take Counterstrike. Such an old game with pretty damn crappy graphics. But it's a game that takes so much skill to play effectively (even against bots) that hardcore gamers across the world continue to play it.

Originally Posted by shadowspawn

The thing is they're not hardcore titles. People just call them hardcore to make themselves feel better about playing an inferior game. Take Counterstrike. Such an old game with pretty damn crappy graphics. But it's a game that takes so much skill to play effectively (even against bots) that hardcore gamers across the world continue to play it.

Uh, not really. Competitive online FPS games are not the only hardcore games. There are plenty of hardcore single player games. There are classic arcade style games, rhythm games, adventure games, etc. These are not inferior. I guess I'm not hardcore for being able to AAA Max 300 in DDR since it's not a PC game.

Originally Posted by silver arrow

Uh, not really. Competitive online FPS games are not the only hardcore games. There are plenty of hardcore single player games. There are classic arcade style games, rhythm games, adventure games, etc. These are not inferior. I guess I'm not hardcore for being able to AAA Max 300 in DDR since it's not a PC game.

As you said though, "classic arcade style games, rhythm games, adventure games". None of these save the latter is every a console exclusive and I wouldn't necessarily consider adventure games hardcore unless of course you're trying to do something within a certain statute of limitations. But then if you look at it that way, pretty much every game on the market from Soul Calibur to Lego Star Wars can be considered a hardcore game if you play it a certain way. And even then, I would consider the most "hardcore" gamers to be those who play MMORPGs simply because in order to succeed, you need to spend hours upon hours and hundreds if not thousands of dollars to become "1337" and last I checked there aren't any real MMORPGs out there on consoles.

Originally Posted by shadowspawn

As you said though, "classic arcade style games, rhythm games, adventure games". None of these save the latter is every a console exclusive and I wouldn't necessarily consider adventure games hardcore unless of course you're trying to do something within a certain statute of limitations. But then if you look at it that way, pretty much every game on the market from Soul Calibur to Lego Star Wars can be considered a hardcore game if you play it a certain way. And even then, I would consider the most "hardcore" gamers to be those who play MMORPGs simply because in order to succeed, you need to spend hours upon hours and hundreds if not thousands of dollars to become "1337" and last I checked there aren't any real MMORPGs out there on consoles.

None of the genres I listed are exclusive. There are series from every genre that are console exclusive though.

A game's only hardcore if you play it hardcore. So in a sense, there are no hardcore games, only hardcore players. Generally speaking though, a hardcore game is a game that appeals to hardcore gamers rather than casual gamers. A hardcore gamer being someone who closely watches the industry and continuously buys and plays them as their primary source of entertainment. I know most people who play your so called hardcore games aren't 1337 at them. You have to be obsessed with Counter Strike for it to be hardcore. It's like that for all games really.

How about using some of the many, many hours you spend fruitlessly babbling on ZU (or Facebook, or Twitter; choose your poison) learning how your computers actually work (it's not hard, promise!)?

I guess the tables have turned and that it touches Sam to do the silly one liners.

Originally Posted by Great Gibdo

They don't need to make a good PC controller if the Xbox one works perfectly, though, do they?

My point exactly. You have to shell out 40$ more when it would come out of the box with an Xbox 360. You guys continue to prove that console gaming is superior. Face it, the PC is not a gaming machine. It's a multimedia system that also plays games. If you're willing to fork over enough cash to get it just right, whereas a console would have everything just right on the get-go.

I always love how of all the console fanboys, Xbox fans seem to hate PC gamers the most, even though the Xbox basically is a PC. The Xbox is essentially a PC with all the non-gaming stuff removed. This was Microsoft's whole plan for the Xbox; to make something with the simplicity of a console and the ease of development of the PC.