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**bangs head on table** Nintendo could not have made a stupider move at this point. Instead of promoting their new console, whose sales are absolutely vital to the industry, they still optimize the lifespan of the Cube?! Why, Nintendo? Why would you be this retarded? The Cube failed, okay? They should focus on letting it go. If one knew Nintendo at all, they would know that it is extremely unlikely that they would add on new hardware. In their eyes, that damned purple square is perfect. Nintendo seems fixed in their old habits of always being on top, the big dog. Now they're slowly diminishing, a downward spiral that will send them the way of the dodo. Or of Sega. This is exactly why Nintendo deserves losing the console race. Maybe the sudden shock of the abyss will wake them up. They honestly suck in marketing, and I don't see a lot of actual "revolution" coming their way. We'll end up viewing the end results, as the once strong foundation of Nintendo crumbles to the demolition crew of PS3 And X-Box 2. It'll be tough to pull out of this nosedive, Nintendo. Godspeed. ~Mute
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Mute, I'm sort of with you, but I think you're getting just a little out-of-hand with this one.
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Oh, and nosedive? According to this article, Microsoft is eager to get their next console out of the gates before anyone else, even using a slightly modified Apple G5 computer with the Microsoft logo slapped onto it, for the sole purpose of saving themselves the effort of coming up with something new. With Microsoft the one so eager to start anem, wouldn't one be led to believe that they're the one that's in the nosedive, and not Nintendo? |

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It makes sense that Nintendo would declare continued support; They don't want consumers holding their wallets. Already my local retailers aren't shy to note the late life of modern consoles, particularly those selling in-store warrantees. Consumers need a bit of an ego boost. Nintendo made the same claims with the NES preceding the SNES's release, and while we saw one or two killer apps still released for the NES, it just doesn't make sense to dump the same amount of time and effort, if not more, toward less gain.
That said, other companies market backward compatibility, so I worry this means I'll need to keep my Gamecube when my next Nintendo console arrives. Regardless, it's the sort of thing to take with a grain of salt. Quote:
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Hold back on the strategy bashing for a while, Mute, there is a bigger picture to this.
There have been comments from Nintendo that the current genereation of consoles is pushing the limits of what a console can currently do in terms of realism. Couple that along side of the 'fact' that the 'Revolution' will offer things we've never fathomed before, akin to the DS more than the GameCube. Now we have the perfect reason to still continue support for the GameCube. This is especially true with backward compatibility on the horizon. I think this is Nintendo's way of watering down the jump between consoles. If youhave a Gamecube, you can still buy new games even though the fancy liufe-changing system is out there; when you buy the new one though and you don't feel the revolution as much as the next guy you still have the last set of games and some new ones in the same traditional vein. |

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Eh, I think I'm a gamer that, like the majority, doesn't care too much about fancy specs. I just care about fun games B-)
The console that I'll buy will be the one with the fun games. In the past this has always been the Gamecube but now I've been left feeling a bit stranded. I get bored of most of their games (eg. MK , SM: Sunshine) pretty quickly and they don't have a lot of genres that I really enjoy - specifically RPGs and Aussie sport games. The PS2 has a plethora of games in those two categories. So, as for the next gen of consoles, I'm not sure which I'll buy yet. I'll probably stick to Nintendo though.
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Back in the days of the SNES, when N64 came out, they still produced SNES games. Not a one of them sold, but they had no competition, so there wasn't a sales loss. Sony wasn't really alive back then. On another note, I think Nintendo's taking the "revolutionary" stance way too far. I think it'll just be like any other console, with any other number of classical and new games and genres. It will be new, but not earth-shattering. And Microsoft? They don't NEED the growth in development like Nintendo does. Microsoft has unlimited funding. It can pour all its money into the X-Box, if need be. Nintendo is never exactly a crowd pleaser. It needs something to keep gamers attached. Something to keep them really hooked. Something new, but not something way out there. ~Mute
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Oh, and just because you think the Revolution won't be anything special doesn't mean it won't be. Your opinion isn't fact, Mute. Plus, I don't see how someone could form such strong opinions over a few vague comments. Quote:
And no crowd pleasers? What the hell do you call the new Zelda games? Metroid? Resident Evil 4? Viewtiful Joe 2? |

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Now with the software support, once again we'll apparently be seeingsomehting new in terms of hardware and gameplay(at least for the most part). Continuing to offer support to developers who want the more traditional gaming style would not be too much to ask. Also, support for an older system would be great for the smaller developers who want to try and get into things. |

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[quote]Nintendo is a corporation that makes millions of dollars a year. Even if their next console bombed, they'd still make more than enough money to support themselves from Game Boy Advance sales alone.[/Quote} That may or may not be true. Even if it was, that doesn't mean they should be able to do whatever the hell they feel like, which includes resurrecting old systems and keeping them alive. This kind of arrogance will eventually get the better of them. Quote:
Don't take it personally, Sear. ~Mute
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Graphics, realism, and popularity don't make a good game. A good game makes itself.
While I will admit I do think Nintendo took it a little too far by cel-shading Wind Waker, they were trying to achieve something that had never been accomplished before, and they did their job well. Though the new Zelda game might surpass it in graphics, realism, and popularity, it certainly won't be as revolutionary as Wind Waker in terms of effects. Cel-shading won't likely be used in future games, but it was fun to enjoy it while it was used. In short, just because Nintendo started off aiming their products at a younger market doesn't mean they can't come through with other, more mature greats, like the new Zelda '05 is turning out to be. Nintendo will never die so long as there are innovative thinkers behind it.
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Far as I can see it, there are two possibility here:
1. The GC will still get a little bit of continued support, much like the PS1 did after the PS2 came out. That worked out great, and if there is backwards capatability, any games that come out for the GC will be playable on the Revolution anyways. 2. Nintendo is lying/exaggerating so that people will continue to buy GCs, instead of getting afraid that the system will go defunct. Now, Mute... it might take away from Revolution sales of the GC continues ot get a bit of support, though I think that is unlikely. But, even with slightly lowered Revolution sales, Nintendo would acheive higher profits letting the GC gracefully fade then they would if they just suddenly let the console die, like they did with the N64. Winddjinnboy: Your post is completely and totally irrelevant to the topic at hand.
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Meh, I don't know if this is really such an important topic to be arguing over, but I can't really resist a good debate, now can I?
I personally would drop the Cube once this Revolution came out. Why? One of Nintendo's greatest problems with selling it was the image problem. The purple color, the kiddie games, etc. It wasn't a huge hit. It remains not a huge hit. Let it die when its time comes. I don't think it's going to distract from Revolution sales; I just don't think it's gonna help at all. When the Revolution comes out, Nintendo's going to need to revamp their image, and it'll probably be significantly harder when they have their bright purple cubes still prominently displayed. Just let casual gamers forget about it. Now, I don't know about this, but it's hard for me to justify the Cube as second place these days. It might just be my change of scenery, it might be that I don't follow video games like I used to, but everywhere I do talk about video games, I hear people ready to fire up their XBox. They're all pumped about Halo 2. I honestly don't hear jack about the Cube. Again, it could be that as I've gotten older, people have gravitated towards the more mature console, but it also might be that the population itself is swinging in Microsoft's direction...
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Well, I'm not too sure what to say about that, but I'm glad the Revolution will support Gamecube games, so atleast when I buy it I'll already have a bunch of games for it from the Gamecube.
Jenova, my friend has noticed people in his school only play Xbox, so he thought Xbox was the number one console in the whole world. So wrong was he, it's on the freaking third place, isn't it? And I do see how Nintendo easily can create tons of hype by simply doing what they always do, which is to tell us that a revolution is at hand and that we must all prepare to be swept away by the big power. We wait, and find something of the complete opposite. What's so special about the DS again? Dual screens? What use do I have for that? Maybe they should implent a MP3 player in the DS and have people using it for that? Why not add features that are useful?
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