LIfe is just a battle you're bound to lose.

Everything is a conflict. You've been fighting your whole life, whether you knew it or not.

You're fighting right now.

You're fighting to understand the words on your screen. You're fighting with your keyboard to push buttons down everytime you write a message. You're fighting the physical forces that you have to choice but to abide by when you perform any sort of physcial function. Every step you take abides by the laws of gravity and friction.

When you speak to someone, you're fighting with that person. You're fighting to get your message across. You're fighting so that he can understand what you are saying.

Even when you do something "good," such as helping someone, you're still in a conflict. You're fighting to help. Just because you are doing something that would be considered virtious doesn't mean it's an effortless task. When you're helping someone to get up, you're fighting the laws of gravity that are trying to keep him down. You're fighting your subconscious urge to relax and let him go. He fights with you, to hold on to you, to understand you, to believe you and trust you.

When you're paying your bills, you're fighting for your unforgivable right to be alive. You're saying, "I want to live. Give me what I need." To get what you need, you need money, and for that, you need to work. It comes down to the physical effort you can put forth. Even the mental effort requires as much energy. It can even be more stressful on the brain. It can cause you to sweat, to tense up, to cry.

As you keep doing all these things, you're blinded by how much effort you're putting in. You don't realize that one day you won't be fighting. You don't want to realize. You want peace, and you want it now. But as long as you're alive, there won't be peace. There will only be war. Countries fight for peace, as it does not come about by its own will.

But I urge you, keep fighting. There is nothing else you can do. Peace is accepting the tender grasp of death, and succuming to it, to accept it as your new life, as your new savior, the one you've only been trying to avoid. Death is all around you, waiting for you, for the one moment you just can't go on, the day your body says, "I'm through."

Death is no friend, nor is he an enemy. He's just an entity who has such admirable patience. He doesn't know when you'll be over. You don't either. But you know when you won't be fighting anymore. Conflict is all there is to this life. It's the only thing sustaining you, and you hate it. You try to avoid it. But you need it. The very thing you hate, the one thing that keeps you alive is what you want to berid of!

Religion gives you hope, but you can't accept it without faith. But then faith sounds like a silly idea. Why? Because of man's greatest weakness: his need for proof. Faith would make things easier if only you could just accept, but no, we just fight on till we can't anymore.

Don't post when you're on weed anymore.

Oh and I don't hate conflict.

That's a pretty dismal and pointless view of life.

Yes, it appears Eggys is quite the pessimist.

That is quite the pessemistic view on life you got there. I've got to ask you though, isn't it depressing to think like that?
I'm an eternal optimist. So obviously, I don't share your thoughts on the subject.

Originally Posted by Eggys

Everything is a conflict. You've been fighting your whole life, whether you knew it or not.

You're fighting right now.

You're fighting to understand the words on your screen.

No, I'm not.

You can't just "fight", conflict occurs when you fight something.
In order for that to count the something must be opposing you in some way, whether or not it is concision of it. The words on this page are not opposing me.

You're fighting with your keyboard to push buttons down everytime you write a message.

No I'm not. My keyboard resists me roughly as much as air does.

You're fighting the physical forces that you have to choice but to abide by when you perform any sort of physcial function. Every step you take abides by the laws of gravity and friction.

It's not a fight, though, because we'd be incapable of walking without gravity or friction. Their benefits far outweigh any disadvantages, so they cannot be said to be opposing us, so we cannot be fighting them.

When you speak to someone, you're fighting with that person. You're fighting to get your message across. You're fighting so that he can understand what you are saying.

Nope. And this comes from someone who spends most of his online time debating.
Again, there's no opposition there (in most cases, there are exceptions, but they're in the minority) so it can't be called a fight.

Even when you do something "good," such as helping someone, you're still in a conflict. You're fighting to help. Just because you are doing something that would be considered virtious doesn't mean it's an effortless task. When you're helping someone to get up, you're fighting the laws of gravity that are trying to keep him down.

I addressed this above.

You're fighting your subconscious urge to relax and let him go.

Nope. If you're doing something then you've decided already, any internal debate is, if not done, then reduced.

Further, debating with yourself isn't a fight. Not in any meaningful sense.
There are situation when you're conscious mind fights your "gut", but they're rarer than you seem to think.

He fights with you, to hold on to you, to understand you, to believe you and trust you.

What? How is any of that in any way opposing me?

When you're paying your bills, you're fighting for your unforgivable right to be alive.

No you aren't. Paying bills is compliance, not fighting.

To get what you need, you need money, and for that, you need to work. It comes down to the physical effort you can put forth. Even the mental effort requires as much energy. It can even be more stressful on the brain. It can cause you to sweat, to tense up, to cry.

And? That's still not a fight, because it's not opposed to anything.

As you keep doing all these things, you're blinded by how much effort you're putting in. You don't realize that one day you won't be fighting. You don't want to realize. You want peace, and you want it now. But as long as you're alive, there won't be peace. There will only be war. Countries fight for peace, as it does not come about by its own will.

This doesn't seem to follow from premise to conclusion.

Is perfect peace unattainable? So long as anything is finite, yes.
However, war is easy enough to avoid. Many countries have gone for centuries without any international armed conflict. Not as many as we would like, but enough to show that it's possible.

Further, that last sentence doesn't make any sense. Peace doesn't have a will, and of course it doesn't strive to create itself. It's an abstract concept. Abstract concepts can't strive. Doesn't mean it's impossible to obtain.

But I urge you, keep fighting. There is nothing else you can do. Peace is accepting the tender grasp of death, and succuming to it, to accept it as your new life, as your new savior, the one you've only been trying to avoid. Death is all around you, waiting for you, for the one moment you just can't go on, the day your body says, "I'm through."

Amazingly, dying due to "giving up" is impossible.
Further, there is peace before death.
Indeed, you've yet to establish why there wouldn't be peace before death, nor why death would bring peace.

Death is no friend, nor is he an enemy. He's just an entity who has such admirable patience.

No "he" isn't. I'm a big fan of the Discworld books, but saying that Death is an actual, physical, thing is silly. It's the absence of life. It's not a thing in-and-of-itself. Further, it certainly isn't an "entity" with all that implies.

He doesn't know when you'll be over.

This is true. But not, I think, for the reason you meant.

You don't either. But you know when you won't be fighting anymore.

See, this is self-contradictory.

You hold that we don't know when we'll die. Alright, in many cases this is true.
You also hold that death is what happens when you stop fighting. I don't agree, but that's irrelevant at this exact point.
What this means is that, according to you, stopping fighting = death. We don't know when we'll die, but we do know when we'll stop fighting.

This parses as: "We don't know when we'll die, but at least we know when we'll die."

Religion gives you hope, but you can't accept it without faith. But then faith sounds like a silly idea. Why? Because of man's greatest weakness: his need for proof. Faith would make things easier if only you could just accept, but no, we just fight on till we can't anymore.

How is a desire for evidence a weakness, pray tell?
Besides, most people seem to get around that just fine.


Anyways, you're doing a massive, massive, massive amount of unfounded reasoning and equivocation and hiding it behind purple prose. None of your conclusions follow from your premises. Your statements constantly re-define "fight" and "conflict", often to mutually-exclusive definitions, undermining your argument from within.

I don't know if you're depressed, or what, but in this case you may be cheered to learn that you are, in fact, incorrect.

Yyyeah, pessimistic much?
I mean, I thought I was pessimistic, but even then, I usually take the pessimism with humor so it doesn't actually depress me.

I'm not really sure what you're trying to get across here.
If that was one giant way of saying "everything you do is a fight", similar to that "there are no such things as selfless acts" idea, then... well, what?
I don't see the point in thinking like this.

Trust me, thinking like that all the time is what makes everything a fight.

EDIT: I love reading your posts, John. XD

Originally Posted by Tonchiki

EDIT: I love reading your posts, John. XD

This.

Especially the last line.




At worst, life is tedious. At best, subjective perfection. It is by no means a constant fight or struggle, or anything of the sort.

Nah, life may be a battle sometimes, but its one I intend on winning.

You're being silly again, Eric.
We're not fighting something 24/7. Life is full of conflicts, yes, but not every waking moment of our lives. I'm not "fighting" anything just to read the words on this screen

I'd hate to live life being that pessimistic.

I had typed out a long response, but I figured it wouldn't be taken seriously or read in its entirety. Instead, I'll just state that for some people, life is a breeze. And even when it isn't, there's plenty to be optimistic about.

Even if life is a battle, I intend on winning. It's not that hard.

Interesting.




I think life is about encountering challenges and finding out what kind of person you are, when you overcome those challenges. The difficulties and triumphs of your life define you, and build character.

Actually, there's no fight. You pose no threat. Life is a dick. Life will kick the **** out of no matter how hard you try. He's bigger, and his dad is bigger than your dad. You will lose. No fights.

a life lived with no conflict would be mighty boring.
might as well live it to the fullest!

John always says what I want to say far better than I could ever say it.

Life is something that you should try to enjoy as much as you can. It's the only chance you'll get, so make the best of your life.

Originally Posted by Forte

Actually, there's no fight. You pose no threat. Life is a dick. Life will kick the **** out of no matter how hard you try. He's bigger, and his dad is bigger than your dad. You will lose. No fights.

I thought we were friends, life!

Originally Posted by Silver

John always says what I want to say far better than I could ever say it.

Saaame, man.

Originally Posted by Tonchiki

I thought we were friends, life!

He's an ass hole.

John is like, the rapist of logic.

Originally Posted by Forte

John is like, the rapist of logic.

Wait, he rapes logic, or rapes people with logic?

Originally Posted by Tonchiki

Wait, he rapes logic, or rapes people with logic?

I have no idea. Maybe he rapes logic itself and bends it to his will.

If losing this battle means the peace of death, I gladly welcome the loss.