Masturbation-Good or Bad?

Originally Posted by The Arbitrator

The intent to become knowledgable is irrelevant as to the status of his stupidity, and ignorance doesn't mean "without the desire to become knowledgeable at all", it just means "unaware of a fact" usually, except the contexts in which it is used tends to mean that someone is unaware of something they really should be expected to know.

lack of knowledge, learning, information, etc

Okay, take out the desire to part.

Originally Posted by Awkin

Eternal Paradox: For all we know Wikipedia is full of biased wankers. There is always contradicting evidence. Sources are hard to find: Ever tried researching 'negative masturbation' on the internet?

If you want my source, go ask... practically any scientist, or go read a book or something. While it helps some, it definitely has a detrimental effect on others.

But it's the scientists who are promoting masturbation. During the Clinton administration we had a surgeon general who promoted masturbation.

Sexual Health: Sex Matters: Myths About Masturbation
"Despite the fact that there is no evidence that masturbation impairs physical or mental health, there are many people who still believe that it's harmful - or worry that it might be."

I looked for information on whether it was bad for you. Couldn't find any.

Originally Posted by Forte

lack of knowledge, learning, information, etc

Okay, take out the desire to part.

What would you say to someone who thought that the UK was in the Middle East? Would you call them stupid? Yes, you would, because despite their probably innocent ignorance, it's still stupid. Same goes here I'm afraid.

Originally Posted by Eternal Paradox

It is held in many mental health circles that masturbation can relieve depression, stress and lead to a higher sense of self-worth

If it really does this, it's only by a very small amount. -_-


Anyway, I see nothing wrong with masturbation. It feels good and doesn't cause any harm. Yeah.



Also, I love how one of the tags of this thread is "masturbationgood"

Originally Posted by Emperor SacredSturgeon of Nayru

Also, I love how one of the tags of this thread is "masturbationgood"

I noticed that, and the first thing I thought was "Newspeak holy ****."

Because everyone is really going to forge scientific evidence in order to make it appear like masturbation is okay. This ****'s in the news all the time, about how masturbation or other sexual activities are good for health one way or another.

That's not what I was saying.

I get this every time I try to present a controversial idea. Go ask someone who is not inherently biased, and see what you find out there. It'll mean a lot more if you do it yourself, because nomatter what I say people seem to have a special desire to protect masturbation.

EP: I see no actual evidence there, just some cracker saying 'Masturbation's fine'. I think there's some preciously western idea that goes 'If there IS a minor problem around masturbation - don't tell the people hooked up on it. One of them hormones makes people aggressive and arrogant.'

I'm not saying that if you masturbate your legs will fall off: but aren't 'those scientists in the news' (Or was that the arbitrator?) working for the people who make a living off not upsetting people and telling them roughly what they want to hear?

Just because you didn't find any information doesn't mean it's not out there. Try harder.

I dont even see how lust can possibly be such a bad thing in religion. Lust is a natural feeling people have and we cant control it. (at least I cant)

Personally I think masturbation is fine, no matter how you do it when you do it or who you do it with.

Originally Posted by Awkin

That's not what I was saying.

I get this every time I try to present a controversial idea. Go ask someone who is not inherently biased, and see what you find out there. It'll mean a lot more if you do it yourself, because nomatter what I say people seem to have a special desire to protect masturbation.

So basically it's exactly what you were saying. YOU have a special desire to attack it for whatever reason, without providing any evidence to contradict the VAST amounts of evidence from a VARIETY of sources to the contrary. Is the entire media part of some vast conspiracy to make masturbation acceptable and undermine the moral integrity of our great country? Let me guess, are you a Daily Mail reader?

EP: I see no actual evidence there, just some cracker saying 'Masturbation's fine'. I think there's some preciously western idea that goes 'If there IS a minor problem around masturbation - don't tell the people hooked up on it. One of them hormones makes people aggressive and arrogant.'

Is that why we don't tell alcoholics and drug addicts it's bad for them despite their tendency towards violence too? Oh wait. We do.

I'm not saying that if you masturbate your legs will fall off: but aren't 'those scientists in the news' (Or was that the arbitrator?) working for the people who make a living off not upsetting people and telling them roughly what they want to hear?

Is that why there's something in the news pretty much every day about how something we take for granted will give us cancer? Is that why the scientists are only too happy to tell us about new virii or superbugs and whatnot? Is that why there's something in the news every day about children being abused by their own parents? Is that why we hear about muggings, rapings, killings on a daily basis?

Oh, right, yeah, sorry. If the media fabricates stories about how OTHER people are suffering, it'll make us feel better about our own ****ty lives under Big Bro-I mean, Gordon Brown.

Jesus Christ. You're worse than me after I first read 1984.

Just because you didn't find any information doesn't mean it's not out there. Try harder.

How about you PRESENT this information to us instead of sitting there with a probably smug grin saying "I'm right but I'm not going to prove it, all evidence to the contrary of what I'm saying is wrong, and you're all wrong because you disagree with me and believe what the evidence tells you."

Originally Posted by Twilight Kitty

I dont even see how lust can possibly be such a bad thing in religion. Lust is a natural feeling people have and we cant control it. (at least I cant)

Personally I think masturbation is fine, no matter how you do it when you do it or who you do it with.

Many people can control lust, sometimes it's just hard to do so.

I think that of God didn't want us to do things like that, he would have made our arms shorter.

Anyway, i think it's normal for someone to masturbate as some point at their lives...
Why shold anyone stop someone from doing something that is normal. Now if someone's obsessive about it, then there's a problem, but once in awhile is normal.

If you have a girlfriend/boyfriend you really shouldn't do it, but if your alone for the most part of life, i guess that's one way to get pleasured...

Man, this is going well so far for a masturbation thread.

As for me, I can't imagine having anything against people jerkin' it. They're your sexual organs, people.

Also, Awkin (and I'm pretty sure this exact discussion came up in the last masturbation thread we had), it really would help if you could reveal some of your sources. "Ask any good scientist" is not giving a source. It actually makes your argument (which I have no opinion on at this point) seem less credible, if anything. It's alright to just give an opinion, but when you start claiming that it is a scientifically supported theory, you won't be taken seriously unless you can show where you found this out.

Especially when the copious amounts of actual scientific evidence say something otherwise, you'd better have a DAMN good source to contradict all of them.

I basically agree with everyone who is pro-masturbation.
As for the rest I want to say:
Come send a request to join my group!
Zelda Universe Forums - Masturbation is a sensation. I just don't want to stop. Group!!!

Originally Posted by Awkin

EP: I see no actual evidence there, just some cracker saying 'Masturbation's fine'. I think there's some preciously western idea that goes 'If there IS a minor problem around masturbation - don't tell the people hooked up on it. One of them hormones makes people aggressive and arrogant.'

That "cracker" has a PhD in medicine.

Just because you didn't find any information doesn't mean it's not out there. Try harder.

Well the information I'm looking for contradicts the current scientific understanding on masturbation. Why don't you provide a source? Your the one with the claim that masturbation is bad.

You told me to check some books, so here are three:

http://books.google.com/books?id=WhU...sult#PPT238,M1
That first one is a biology text book. It says "In fact there is no medical or scientific evidence that masturbation is harmful."

http://www.christianyouthcounseling....en%20Years.pdf
The second is a religious article. It says: " There is no scientific evidence to indicate that this act is harmful to the body."

http://books.google.com/books?id=KsW...um=2&ct=result
The third is a 1991 report on sex. It says: "Is masturbation bad for you?: No, it might even be helpful"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3072021.stm
And a news article from 2003 showing how preliminary results showed that masturbation lowered your cancer risk.

I do not find masturbation to be harmful in any way. Some studies suggest, as previously mentioned, that it might actually safeguard a prostate from cancer, etc. But that's obviously not the biggest reason for masturbating, now is it?

Originally Posted by Awkin

EP: I see no actual evidence there, just some cracker saying 'Masturbation's fine'. I think there's some preciously western idea that goes 'If there IS a minor problem around masturbation - don't tell the people hooked up on it. One of them hormones makes people aggressive and arrogant.'

Awkin: If you want to present your arguments in this thread, please provide a source for your claims. Last time you said what you just did you failed to do so even after being asked by several people. Let's not do that again.

And, not trying to sound "holier-than-thou" here, so I'm sorry if it comes off as such, but how do you honestly expect to be able to attempt to debunk others for lack of evidence when you yourself have failed to provide any actual information on a controversial argument, even after having been asked to do so many times over 2 or more threads on this topic? "Look it up yourself" and "any creditable scientist agrees" is not good enough.

I'm fapping right now.

Originally Posted by Spearhead

How come no matter how many times I talk about it either online or offline, no one ever brings up the Deadly Sin, Lust, as a reason for why masturbation is considered bad? It's much more reasonable and legitimate than "it is morally wrong and evil".

because the deadly sins are not biblical. those were completely made up by Dante when he wrote the divine comedy, mor specifically- theInferno.

the catholic church used his writings as scare tactics for the illiterate poor to keep them in check and paying their tithes/buying indulgences.

Originally Posted by torayuri

I think that of God didn't want us to do things like that, he would have made our arms shorter.

well, you know- we do kinda have to, ya know- wipe our asses......

I see what you mean,and it's a cute comment, but I had to just put that out there

If God didn't want certain things to happen, then there'd be an endless loop of actions He could take to prevent them.

If He didn't want us to masturbate, he'd make our arms shorter. Since we then couldn't wipe our asses, He'd remove the need to wipe the ass. Etc.

If it was so important to believe in, say, deadly sins, why wouldn't He show us a some better concrete proof that these sins are truly deadly?

If God had the power to do all these things, what's keeping Him from doing them? Why would He need to interfere in some ways and not in others? Either He does everything, or He does nothing, and from what I've seen, it's more reasonable to say that He does nothing. Keep masturbating, people.

" ... and masturbation is a great exercise for your strumming hand, you know?" - Daron Malakian (SOAD guitar)

He said that on a Youtube video. I believe it was guitar lessons with Daron or something. And I agree completely.

Masturbation is good - for guitar players.
I don't see anything wrong with it, but I don't encourage it. Wait. That didn't sound right, but you know what I mean, right?

Hey guys, thought I came by and force my religious beliefs on why masturbation is a sinful act despite some Christians actually think it is not.

Acts 17:11 Archive: Masturbation, What Does the Bible Say?

Here's the TL: DR version:

The Scripture is strangely silent about this universal issue, while not shy about all sorts of other sexual situations and perversions... in great detail concerning sex with animals, etc. Yet the bible says nothing about masturbation. This is odd, don't you think?

Some, mistakenly, cite Onan in Gen 38:9 as suggesting that masturbation is a sin. In fact, "onanism" has become a synonym for masturbation. But this is obviously an error, and a rather daft one at that. We know what Onan did, for it is spelled out for us in lurid detail; and we know why it was a sin: he was maliciously using and cheating Tamar in way that was wrong. In any case, what Onan was doing was certainly not masturbating, and you have to be pretty dimwitted to miss this.


In fact, there is no place in scripture where masturbation is even mentioned, much less forbidden. This is a very odd situation since it is so common a human experience, and given that scripture speaks of other sexual sins (some fairly perverse and rare) without any shyness at all.

Since scripture does not forbid masturbation directly, neither should Christians in general. "Nothing beyond what is written" in terms of how we should help lead others to the Lord is the rule. But since you asked, or clicked, as the case may be, we will give you the best answer we can using what we do know from scripture as our guide. We should stick to emphasizing the things God has told us are important, and not be teaching things that the Lord has never expressed His opinion on

Sex was not created for this, you can be sure. [I}That God allows masturbation to even work is a mystery (ever try tickling yourself?) and so it is reasonable to assume that it is a "gift" to keep ourselves from temptation.[/I]
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Does any religion consider masturbation a sin? - Yahoo! Answers

Is Masturbation A Sin?

I'm not giving the TL: DR of those links because it was even TL: DR for myself.

Also, I think the whole "Wasted Seed" is straight-up B.S. So, when you have a wet dream, something you can't even control , it is a sin, huh? Somebody your body does involuntary is a sin?

Now, I personally don't think mastubation is a sin. I can say, if done too much, it can be addicting. And if you have a f'd up mind, it can lead to sin, like say, rape. However, that's if you can't tell from right or wrong when it comes to this subject.