War in Iraq

This is kinda weird.

Bush sent soldiers into Iraq to find Saddam cuz he thought Saddam was making biological weapons. He also said he was gonna liberate the Iraqese (sp?) (yea write, i bet he doesnt give s ***** about them. No offense to anyone from Iraq). Bush then sends in American soldiers to find Saddam and his biological weapons (and to liberate, yes we can't forget that.). Since the begining many, many soldiers have died since then, and Saddam has been captured for over 3 months. But.... no biologicla weapons were found and the Iraq people are not 100% liberated...

what are your sides to this?

Going into Iraq was a huge mistake, and I never thought that it was good idea. When the whole war thing started I was just freaked out how they would actually do something like that. It seems like all Bush wanted was the oil that was there.

100% liberated? oooo, that's an abstract concept.

What exactly is the situation from the point of view of the Iraqi people? We need to sit down with a bunch of their local leaders, figure out how they feel about everything, and ask them what can be done to better help THEM. If we're going to continue to interfere, then let us do so with some extra Iraqi backing, no?

Several of the iraquis liked sadam.... so you see, heres the dilema.
why would someone want a way out of a goverment he/she likes?

Well, Bush's arguement in this case is that the needs of the many outweight the needs of the few. Sure Saddam had supporters, but from all records there were alot more Iraqis who lived in fear of him, and hated him.

Now, it is always very difficult to tell who has what viewpoints. We look at the footage of Iraqis happily marching with US soldiers as they march through Bagdad, but we don't know what they are really thinking. Obviously they are going to do that around the soldiers if they value their lives. And same thing the other way. When they are around Saddam, they are going to be firing M16 bullets into the air and chanting Long Live Saddam!

But I truely believe that going into Iraq is in the best intrest of the Iraqi people. Are some going to die? Yes. But have a hell of a lot more died under Saddam's regiem? Yes. Was Saddam a creul dictator? Yes. So it will be a better country with out him in power.

i HATE discussing politics, so ill only saw this ONCE. Bush made a HUGE mistake. we've lost MANY soldiers, and pissed off alot of iraqis as well as killed alot of innocents as well. we bombed where we THOUGHT sadam was! you cant go bombin where you THINK someone is! i cant stand bush at all! even less now that hes against gay marriage (im not gay, but its wrong to be against those who are). Bush has made too many mistakes to be realected and im gonna give hell to see that he isnt sittin n the white house after the election!

Bush is just being ignorant and all he wants are goods directed toward himself. So many people died in this pointless war and has ANYONE found ANY biological or weapons of "mass destruction"? All they found are some motar bombs and some anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles. Wwwwwwow... *muttering*

I kept on asking some people how can Bush live with himself and how can he live at all without any pressure from possible assassinations?

Originally posted by Stormcat
Bush is just being ignorant and all he wants are goods directed toward himself. So many people died in this pointless war and has ANYONE found ANY biological or weapons of "mass destruction"? All they found are some motar bombs and some anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles. Wwwwwwow... *muttering*

I kept on asking some people how can Bush live with himself and how can he live at all without any pressure from possible assassinations?

I ask myself how people can live with themselves knowing that allowing Saddam to remain would have enabled this to continue. F.O.A.D.

You do know that some of the sources are biased? After all, it's allll propaganda! Besides, how do you know that those pictures are real? Even if they are real, how do you know it's the work of Saddam!? O.o

I not helping Saddam or Bush. I'm just against this whole war thing.

Think of it as if you were in his place. If there's a possible threat of biological weapons/weapons of mass destruction would you attack or just wait untill they bomb you with them and kill more than the couple hundred soldiers that were lost in Iraq?

we've lost MANY soldiers, and pissed off alot of iraqis as well as killed alot of innocents as well.

First off we have barely lost anything. Wow a whole 550 soldiers total is a huge lost (no offense to ppls familys who have lost someone). That is NOTHING. Look at all the past wars, for example in WW II the russians lost more than a MILLION soldiers in one battle.

As for killing innocent lives you cant help that, it happens in all wars and not many have died either. Alot more innocent lives died when saddam was ruling.

Think of it as if you were in his place. If there's a possible threat of biological weapons/weapons of mass destruction would you attack or just wait untill they bomb you with them and kill more than the couple hundred soldiers that were lost in Iraq?

Totally agree with you on this, why would you wait and find out if they really did have weapons of mass destruction and lets thousands and thousands of innocent lives die because of it or only a couple hundred in the war?

Bush has made too many mistakes to be realected and im gonna give hell to see that he isnt sittin n the white house after the election!

If you think anyone has a chance against bush you are insane. Knowtice that we havent heard anything about saddams trial? Or saddam giving information? No. None at all. When it comes to election time he is going to just crush his opponent like a tidal wave. Everything will be spilling out at once about saddam and other things in iraq will come out as well. And bush will look like a hero. He has the most money saved up EVER in the history of the u.s. for his election. All he has to do is let the democrats fight just to run against him wasting all there money, while he sits there planing.

I am not a republican (lol i bet you are surprised ) i am moderate, and many of my views are Democratic.
Except reguarding the war, it was a good desicion and he hasnt backed down from it. Just like Turman when we dropped the bomb, and i respect that.

Oops i kinda rambled there. But i support the war.

Originally posted by Stormcat
You do know that some of the sources are biased? After all, it's allll propaganda! Besides, how do you know that those pictures are real? Even if they are real, how do you know it's the work of Saddam!? O.o

I not helping Saddam or Bush. I'm just against this whole war thing.

I do. I also know enough to trust a guy who was both and Iraqi and a journalist who had been collecting these pictures over several years. Whether you can argue with a seven year laid corpse in Iraq pockmarked by a bullet to the back of the head is your own problem; take it up with the guys family.

Sorry, there are only so many people in Iraq who could have been putting up mass graves for decades - yeah, it was either him or his uncle (who ran the Ba'ath party prior to Saddam). I could use the same logic to argue that a mass grave found by the Soviets after World War 2 wasn't necessarily Hitler. But Stalin was more into the dead Cossaks than dead Jews and would probably use Russian ammo, not German so it would stand to reason that the circumstantial evidence is there.

Good show linkmaster, I was going to say a bit along those lines here, but now there's no real point. Except to say that Bush could lose. He pissed off a lot of small government advocates in every party - well, the dems don't have any by extension but you get the idea - and many of them may just stay home come election day.

Bush didn't have enough evidence to go into Iraq in the first place, but i think it will turn out for the best. *sees hindmost's pictures* Wait, never mind, that is pure sickening. Let's just hope he doesn't try to liberate every country in the middle east. Saddam will get what he deserves.

550 isnt alot?! 550 is a whole lot more then neccesary! we didnt have enough evidence, as Kazan said, and what have we accomplished? we have sadam... well thats about it. no matter waht we do, there will always be someone that hates and wants to kill us. lives have been wasted. yes i said wasted. we found nothin and assume everything. its a load of bull.

I say the war on Iraq has come far too soon. Not enough evidence and certainly not enough time for the specialists to conduct a detailed search.

Besides, not too many countries support this war.

In addition, this war has costs not only lives, but resources as well. On top of that, Earth gets even more damaged than it already was.

Why not just launch the nukes and let the fireballs consume this entire planet? All we do is: war, arguing, polluting, and many more. :p

Originally posted by Stormcat
I say the war on Iraq has come far too soon. Not enough evidence and certainly not enough time for the specialists to conduct a detailed search.

It's kind of hard for a scientist/weapons inspector to conduct a detailed search on a country that's guarding things with AK-47's

On top of that, Earth gets even more damaged than it already was.

How did it get damaged?

Why not just launch the nukes and let the fireballs consume this entire planet? All we do is: war, arguing, polluting, and many more. :p

Because the nuclear radiation will spread into other countries and get them pissed at us as well

And we do much more than war argue and polute, we try to solve those problems too.

550 isnt alot?! 550 is alot more than neccesary!...lives have been wasted

how can you say that? 550 is practicly nothing (again look at past wars!), im not gonna say lots more on this parti dont want to start any fights.

Those lives were not wasted, if you could only imagine how many lives we SAVED from saddam. If we didnt do anything more and more iraqis would be tortured and murdered every day. Oh and by the way, having saddam is HUGE, we havent just caught saddam too, we have got lots of his advisors etc (do his sons come to mind? Who where just as bad, if not worse?) The only guy we reallly want now is the # 2 guy, but i cant remember his name if u really want me to find out his name i will lol.