Yes, it worked!

I posted a thread in here, titled, "Test of ignorance"

In it, I said "hail the swastika" with a picture of one.

10 minutes barely passed, the thread was deleted.

My "test of ignorance" worked. Yes, SearanoX, there was a point to the thread, and my point has been proven.

How ignorant people are, when they judge others associated with things they hardly know about. In this case, the swastika. Yes, during World War II, Hitler used it as a symbol. The symbol is many centuries old, and was always used as a symbol of peace, prosperity, and luck. Originally, it was a graphic symbol that showed how a goddess gives birth to the universe.

One of the things that upsets me the most- people judging and taking action, when they hardly know what they are doing. I was hoping the thread would have lasted a little bit longer, so people would call me a "dirty skinhead" or "nazi".

It upsets me very much. Too many times in my life have I recieved unfair judgement, along with my family and peers. If the world ever sees a more just day, it will not be soon.

I always thought that the Swastika was a religious symbol from Asia or something, and Hitler ended up reversing it...maybe I should look that up

*gets flamed for being a Nazi*

Well, whatever. Seemed like a pointless thread at the time.

Still, if you're talking about stereotypes, then you'll know that I hate them, particularily ones about Canadians. You most likely have seen me going around disproving them whenever they are mentioned.

I rarely judge people by how they look, or by what they do, without first seeing their motives.

Many different cultures from all over the world have used the swastika.

It was from the Jewish sect if i remember rightly.....and Hitler used it because he hated the Jews so.

Originally posted by XLinkX


How ignorant people are, when they judge others associated with things they hardly know about. In this case, the swastika. Yes, during World War II, Hitler used it as a symbol. The symbol is many centuries old, and was always used as a symbol of peace, prosperity, and luck. Originally, it was a graphic symbol that showed how a goddess gives birth to the universe.

Regardless of it's past history and use all over the world, it should still be abhorred in the west. Hitler ruined it for everyone. It's fun being politically correct, but not when it comes to the swastika.

The swastika today now represents white supremacy and intolerance.

Almost every single white supremacy group holds the swastika in high esteem.

This is the Russian skinhead symbol. Nazi Germany loathed the Soviet Union, and vice versa. It's hard to believe that any Russian would take kindly to the symbol, but Russian skinheads were quick to adobt it.


Did you know Mein Kamph is one of the best sellers in the Middle East? Hitler is loved and idolized in Palestine today, and Palestinian youth often paint swastikas on themselves. Hitler has even received a special Muslim name, although I can't remember what it was at the moment. I don't sympathize with the Jews in the Palaestinian conflict, or any other side for that matter, I only mentioned it because I wanted to show that the symbol and it's anti-semetic meaning is still very active today.

Don't call people who jump at the symbol ignorant.

yea he really acted as if he had alot of power there with that thread and all.... I dont even do that....

The swastica has the top line pointing to the right and the bottom to the left...

that symbol of peace that you speak of has the top line pointing left and the bottom right... so technicly the swastica IS a nazi symbol..

I tried to pull this very same stunt off in school... i put swasticas all over my paper with arrows next to them saying BAD!! then i put the other symbol on and called it GOOD!!
then the people next to me started to scribble them out and called my nazi... it only shows the ignorance of people..

well, technically your topic was not deleated. it just in anotehr place.
now why i did it? becouse as you made it, if this is so ignorant as you say, then this was a flame waiting to happen so excuse me for wanting to avoid that.
Necroton prety much resumed how i feel about this.

Originally posted by necroton


The swastika today now represents white supremacy and intolerance.

Almost every single white supremacy group holds the swastika in high esteem.

Don't call people who jump at the symbol ignorant.

I am perfectly aware of what it means to many people. But did you know there are many people, including my mothers side of the family, use the swastika in a positive way? The swastika still lives positively in a few cultures around the world. Just because some people use it negatively, does that mean it is still acceptable to jump on me for using it? I think not. I think it wouldnt be incorrect to call people who attack me because of it slightly ignorant.


And no, I didnt ever think this thread gave me "power". And Merchant, I doubt you knew what I was doing at all. Not that theres anything wrong with that, but if you knew, then you wouldnt have deleted it. I would have done the same if I didnt know what the poster was doing. I was prepared for flaming, obviously. I really wouldnt care that much, because that would help me prove my point.

I didnt directly call anyone ignorant, so dont put words in my mouth. This thread is NOT about the swastika, it is about ignorance and how it is involved in the unfair judgement of people. I used the symbol as a small example.

I wouldn't like to feel how I would be treated as a "guinea pig".

Anyway, what your talking is about prejudice, and are you going to extend on that topic even further?

Originally posted by XLinkX
Just because some people use it negatively, does that mean it is still acceptable to jump on me for using it?

Yes. Get with the times and accept the loss.

I know I don't sound very sympathetic, but trust me, I am. I understand how losing that symbol could make you feel like you lost a small piece of your culture. Symbols have always played an extremely important rule in mankind, they were even important during the times of our cromagnon and neandrathal ancestors. In Feudal Japan, a Samurai warrior would consider making even a small error in his calligraphy dishonorable, and commit suicide.(although that could actually be a distortion of history or just some myth, I don't really know the history of Feudal Japan)

The significance of symbols varies from culture to culture. I'm sure some peope on this forum will attack you for trying to conserve that symbol because they think what you're doing is pointless or just a cry for attention, but I understand where you're coming from. However, I think what you're doing is selfish.

Is conserving that symbol worth upsetting all those people who see it? That symbol bothers a wide range of people: Jews, minorities, socialists, homosexuals and people in countries that fought against the Nazi regime. Do you know who the symbol bothers the most? The Germans. They want to forget about the time when they fell under the influence of a dictactor and committed those atrocities. And it doesn't matter how the swastika is presented, it will still bother people. Can you at least have the decency to respect the feelings of others?

Of course I respect the feelings of others. If you choose to dislike a certain symbol, then go ahead. The swastika means absolutely nothing to me.

"Get with the times, and accept the loss." Sometimes, my friend, "the times" are wrong. There are many things wrong with this age, and we can choose to ignore them, or we can choose to acknowledge them. I dont care at all if you dislike the swastika or not, and I completely respect your descision about it. I have no loss in this situation.

There are still older people around that believe in segregation. To them, people of other races are a negative symbol. We may offend them when we say "racism is bad" But we still have to stick up for what we believe in. If someone believes in the swastika positively, then they should not be attacked just because it is a "negative symbol" somewhere else. Once again, the swastika doesnt mean anything to me, anyways.

As I said before, this thread is NOT about the swastika. It was an example that I used. Nothing more. I expected it to spark controversy. Its possible that I could have come from a culture that positively uses the symbol and said "Hail!" and then I get flared.

This thread is about ignorance. That's it. Dont take my example too seriously.

i say i dislike how arrogant you are behaving.
so you wanted us to see me ignorant? well you amde it happen.
you wanted to see the zu staff?
yes you made it happen.
does you have the rigth to treat us like this? no you dont have that rigth.
If it oh so pleased you, if it rocked your underpants so much then by all means, do not take offence when i say you are arrogant.

XLinkX:

If anyone is being ignorant here, it is most certainly you. You should be aware that even though this might have a healthy relationship towards this symbol, but you should and must be aware that today it symbolizes something completely different to many others. For all you know some of our members got their family killed by the Nazis at some point in time, and they might even have left the symbol to show how "proud" they were of their beings.

I think in this matter, it is only decent to not bring up such a discussion, whether or not your intentions were noble, because you and I are both well aware that this discussion might have brought back terrible feelings for many, and in such a case it is only fair to put your own desire to discuss it behind, and place the consideration towards the other members in the front-seat.

I'm gonna close this now, and please, do not make any more out of this than it already is.