French Black Metallers Continue Tradition of Church Burning

BLABBERMOUTH.NET - Heavy Metal 'Satanists' Claim Attacks On Christian Sites

France's Expatica reports: A shadowy anti-religious group with links to heavy metal music has claimed responsibility for a series of attacks on Christian sites in Brittany in northwest France, police said Thursday.

Members of the group, which calls itself "True Armorik Black Metal", or TABM, describe themselves as "extremist and anti-ecclesiastical" in a letter sent to local newspaper the Telegramme, which published excerpts on Thursday.

"We are going to strike again, again and again," warned the letter, in which the group's acronym is scrawled in blood-red letters over the image of an inverted Christian cross.

Police, who are hunting a group of Satanists they believe responsible for the attacks, said they were taking the letter seriously and had sent it for analysis by a specialised unit.

Graffiti of the letters ABM was found at nine Christian sites desecrated in recent weeks. Police believe the letters signify Aryan Black Metal, a Satanist movement which has links to heavy metal music, paganism and far-right politics.

Last weekend, the 16th-century Chapel of the Cross at Loqueffret near the remote tip of Brittany was gutted in a blaze, which left just the four walls standing (Photo#1, Photo#2). The doors of the chapel were forced open, and several original polychrome statues were destroyed.

Eight other Christian shrines — six roadside granite crosses and two fountains — were torn down or smashed last month in an area of the Finistere department near the popular holiday resorts of Benodet and Concarneau.

Didn't figure this fit under music, since the music is frankly inconsequential here - not sure if this is Internet Serious Business either but ... I wanted to post this.

I'm actually quite amused, the violent stance of the second Norwegian wave seems to be taking a step into the limelight again, and as much as I don't support violence the spirit is quite commendable - taking a step towards the war on Christianity again.

Meh i find it rather pathetic, by no means am i pro-religion, but churches are ancient buildings, they're classic, imo they should be respected and left alone.
But enough about my opinion of that, what i find typical is the following
first they say: "A shadowy anti-religious group"
then they say: "a group of Satanists "
What is it? If they're anti religious they can't be satanist, because satanism is as much as a religion as all the others (tough less practiced)
Find it a bit odd.

No you're not going to kill anyone, don't make killing someone sound like it's a badass thing to do, and don't brag on the internet about the fact that you're supposedly tough enough to kill someone over something like this.

Eh, I probably wouldn't kill him, your right. I'm just a little mad right now.

Well, in Norway this has happened quite a few times. Don't remember if the perpetrators were caught or not. Some of them were. There was this guy who called himself Varg Vikund or something. Weird pseudonym.

Churches are buildings. They can be reconstructed. It's more important what happens inside them.

Originally Posted by Mrs Ganondorf

Churches are buildings. They can be reconstructed.

I don't agree with this, i mean sure its true, but churches are old buildings most of the time, (and im a sucker for ancient architecture, im not into religion, but i do think churches are among the most beautiful buildings in the world)
And a church built in 2005 isnt worth as much as a church built in like, i dunno, 1600 or something.
Meh, if ya wanna show the world how eeeevil you are, just make some prank calls then >_> just dont touch the ancient buildings dammit.

Yeah, Norwegin Metalheads really play it serious with their music, us American metalheads just use it.

Originally Posted by Future

you sure are a good christian by murdering people.

Good job. By the way, that makes you the only person I've ever told "Good job" without being sarcastic.


I myself am a Christian. Not that it matters, just thought I'd get it out of the way.

It doesn't matter to me how ancient a church is, or what signifigance it holds. All that matters to me is that somebody built the church. They took time out of their lives - time they will never get back - into building an institution that you just had to burn down. What's more is that those very same individuals could be inside the church when it is burned down. Not that Norwegian black metal bands care.

If you want to destroy a religion, do something intellectual.

Nothing justifies burning churches.

Forgive me, but... NEDM.

Originally Posted by Pinto545

I'm actually pretty mad.

If I ever found one of these guys, I would kill them with my bare hands, and hang them over a building or something making an example of him. I know they're going to burn in Hell. I don't even have anything really to say to this. It's just sad and infuriating to read about it. They are disrespecting Christianity and everyone who is Christian.

you sure are a good christian by murdering people.



also, I agree with about everything foamz previously said.


EDIT: I deleted this unknowing I was already quoted. repost.

Originally Posted by Mrs Ganondorf

Churches are buildings. They can be reconstructed. It's more important what happens inside them.

I'm going to have to side with Foamz on this one. That's like saying it's OK if we lose the Mona Lisa, because we have lots of copies of it anyway. Old architecture is beautiful and irreplaceable. There's nothing like a massive stone building that makes your knees tremble in awe.

Plus, have you seen modern churches? Maybe it's different in Europe, but in North America, they look like they're fresh off an assembly line.

Originally Posted by Mad Hatter

I'm going to have to side with Foamz on this one. That's like saying it's OK if we lose the Mona Lisa, because we have lots of copies of it anyway. Old architecture is beautiful and irreplaceable. There's nothing like a massive stone building that makes your knees tremble in awe.

Plus, have you seen modern churches? Maybe it's different in Europe, but in North America, they look like they're fresh off an assembly line.

Or worse, have you seen the modern monstrosities masquerading as churches in the States? Eeeh! I mean, we could use somebody to burn those churches. Kidding of course.

If they burn down Chartres, well, then it's on. My contingency plan for that situation is a crusade.

-Rob

Originally Posted by Pinto545

I'm actually pretty mad.

If I ever found one of these guys, I would kill them with my bare hands, and hang them over a building or something making an example of him. I know they're going to burn in Hell. I don't even have anything really to say to this. It's just sad and infuriating to read about it. They are disrespecting Christianity and everyone who is Christian.

I agree with you Foamz about churches, just leave them alone.

Hahahaha, that is their point! They want to disrespect Christians. Christians destroyed the vast Pagan lands of ancient Europe and replaced it with the utter filth that is Christianity, completely raped the culture.

Originally Posted by Mrs Ganondorf

Well, in Norway this has happened quite a few times. Don't remember if the perpetrators were caught or not. Some of them were. There was this guy who called himself Varg Vikund or something. Weird pseudonym.

Churches are buildings. They can be reconstructed. It's more important what happens inside them.

Varg Vikernes was captured yes, but it wasn't his church burning that really got him caught - it was his murder of Mayhem guitarist Euronymous ( which I still do not agree about the sentencing of it was manslaughter grounds not murder) that got him caught, the church burnings were just charged then.

Originally Posted by mika99cv

Yeah, Norwegin Metalheads really play it serious with their music, us American metalheads just use it.

I think you'd be wrong in saying that - hell, Americans have more reason to do such things. We've felt the oppression of Christianity more so in recent times than any European country - and there are plenty of Americans I know that would support church burnings and what not - and are waiting to hit themselves I suppose. Don't know if they ever will.

Originally Posted by Mad Hatter

I'm going to have to side with Foamz on this one. That's like saying it's OK if we lose the Mona Lisa, because we have lots of copies of it anyway. Old architecture is beautiful and irreplaceable. There's nothing like a massive stone building that makes your knees tremble in awe.

Plus, have you seen modern churches? Maybe it's different in Europe, but in North America, they look like they're fresh off an assembly line.

Heh, these churches are symbols of oppression - as far as I'm concerned their status as "art" is easily overridden by that.

Hahahaha, that is their point! They want to disrespect Christians. Christians destroyed the vast Pagan lands of ancient Europe and replaced it with the utter filth that is Christianity, completely raped the culture.

I'm confused by this, it makes it sound like: a) "Pagans" were a group, b) the Roman Empire and other similar Empire's never took land and pagans were nice and cultured (strangely, the Roman Empire used the pagan practices of other pagans - human sacrifice - as a way to justify destroying some poor pagan lands - Carthage). I must have forgotten that before the Pope everything was bubblegum and singing birds. Must be all these books lying to me.

I think you'd be wrong in saying that - hell, Americans have more reason to do such things. We've felt the oppression of Christianity more so in recent times than any European country - and there are plenty of Americans I know that would support church burnings and what not - and are waiting to hit themselves I suppose. Don't know if they ever will.

I know what is likely an equally large number of Americans that want to move to Montana and shoot Federal agents for backing the black man, or form an all-black state out of Tennessee, or thought Hitler was a swell guy. Of course, if you don't agree with any of those propositions you won't bring them up as a bragging rights example of anything, which would explain this episode. As for the "oppression of Christianity," no religious officials have yet to show up at my doorstep with guns demanding my tax filings and arresting me for drug possession. At worst they've told me I'm wrong sometimes, and I could very well be. It's hardly oppressive if you think a spade is a spade to call it one in public. Do you mean it's "oppressive" because they don't necessarily agree with you, and this destroys your protection bubble that's guaranteed by the First Article of the Constitution (hint: that's a joke, it doesn't exist)? Or do you mean that it's oppressive because people vote "as christians!" God forbid! I imagine all the people that vote as librtarians or socialists because they found out about it and thought it was a good idea are to be equally condemned. They all believe silly nonsense too (of course, so do I, and I vote on it, too). No one's above nonsense.

Heh, these churches are symbols of oppression - as far as I'm concerned their status as "art" is easily overridden by that.

As much as a boat is a symbol of slavery in Brazil.

Originally Posted by Kaiser "Rodney Dangerfield" Soze

I'm confused by this, it makes it sound like: a) "Pagans" were a group, b) the Roman Empire and other similar Empire's never took land and pagans were nice and cultured (strangely, the Roman Empire used the pagan practices of other pagans - human sacrifice - as a way to justify destroying some poor pagan lands - Carthage). I must have forgotten that before the Pope everything was bubblegum and singing birds. Must be all these books lying to me.



I know what is likely an equally large number of Americans that want to move to Montana and shoot Federal agents for backing the black man, or form an all-black state out of Tennessee, or thought Hitler was a swell guy. Of course, if you don't agree with any of those propositions you won't bring them up as a bragging rights example of anything, which would explain this episode. As for the "oppression of Christianity," no religious officials have yet to show up at my doorstep with guns demanding my tax filings and arresting me for drug possession. At worst they've told me I'm wrong sometimes, and I could very well be. It's hardly oppressive if you think a spade is a spade to call it one in public. Or do you mean that it's oppressive because people vote "as christians!" God forbid! I imagine all the people that vote as librtarians or socialists because they found out about it and thought it was a good idea are to be equally condemned. They all believe silly nonsense too (of course, so do I, and I vote on it, too). No one's above nonsense.



As much as a boat is a symbol of slavery in Brazil.

a) No, I know they were not a group - they were many groups
b) The Roman empire may've taken over many places - but many of those places were abandoned and left to their own devices and customs. It was the Christian rape of Europe that destroyed even what the Romans had left behind.

Sure they may not've been "nice" people but the different pagan groups had cultures and they all had a religion (I use a because while the gods were different in name, and while the tales may differ the similarities are uncanny,)

Oh yes, the church doesn't censor everything they get their hands on, the church doesn't cause the spread of AIDS to worsen in Africa by PREVENTING condoms from being used there - preaching that they are bad, they certainly don't harass people who believe things differently from them, etc.

Face it - just because they're not killing people doesn't mean they're not being the oppressor.

a) No, I know they were not a group - they were many g