Disputing the theory of evolution

This is my new thread where I will be DISPUTING THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION.Pzow.Well first I need some people to come in here and make a good arguement.Mind you, I will use scientific facts to back up my beliefs.

Erg. If you want discussion, post your facts first. Otherwise, how is one to attempt to counter your yet to exist argument?

I was thinking a person like yourself come in here and spill his guts.Then the topic gets going as I counter at various points in your speech.

Funny thing...we're discussing this right now in the chat.

Ansem...It really helps when you actually post something that is debatable. Threads like this often end up dead.

And then, what happens if there's nothing you disagree with?

Uh, Im waiting for people.To share their opinions...Got that much?And then I will go on a tangent.

Since I'm agnostic, I have a firm belief in evolution. I don't see how people could still call it a theory even though there's so much proof available to support the theory.

First of all, who here beleives in evolution?

If this big ball of crap made a bang and the universe appeared then where did the big ball of crap come from?

Doesn't it seem like this thread is going to become one of science verses religion very fast? And how do you plan on disputing your beliefs without mentioning them?

Originally posted by imstarbright
Doesn't it seem like this thread is going to become one of science verses religion very fast? And how do you plan on disputing your beliefs without mentioning them?

Indeed, that's exactly what happened in the chat. Religious beliefs are at the core of this debate, and as such, shouldn't be allowed.

Originally posted by Bahamut
If this big ball of crap made a bang and the universe appeared then where did the big ball of crap come from?

That has little to do with evolution, but if you're really interested in how the universe may have came into existence, check out:

http://superstringtheory.com/

I feel like this thread is going to develop into a theological flame war, but it doesn't have to.

I feel like the evolution theory doesn't need to be debated, I don't understand why people choose not to accept it, even if they're the most religous of people.

Originally posted by Bahamut
who here beleives in evolution?

I think a better question would be who here rejects the theory?

I don't reject the theory I just don't believe in other reasons. They are right this is going to turn into a religion thing.

ok...much clutter..

Necroton, if you can show me any proof I will be glad to see it.And no radio carbon dating stuff.Scientists have seen that it has flawed over and over.

... you can keep this from turning into a religious topic... that is, if you actually don't *want* it to be a religious topic. science and religion are two entirely separate fields, and there's no need for them to overlap here *at all*... as they don't truly overlap anywhere else behind in an individual's mind.

either way, i don't see why it needs to be disputed, except for ansem's own arrogance, as it is indeed a *theory*, albeit a theory with far more proof than many things that are currently considered fact, but whatever...

here we go...

(i used this in the chat, but meh. still valid. and my head hurts so i can't be more creative.)

What about the evolution of various people, on different continents, near the north *and* south poles, to be shorter and stouter than people in equitorial environments? it's proven that being shorter and stouter significantly conserves body heat, whereas being taller and lankier limits one's exposure to the potentially harmful rays of the sun.

... or are we referring to evolution in the more macrocosmic sense of the word???

Meh. Weird that this is being alowed.....if it is....

Well, I am an athiest(although I hate that word o_O) and I believe in the theory of evolution. There isn't any proof that it is true, but there sure is alot more evidence in it's favor then in favor of most religions.

All senses of the word evolution.My arrogance?I think not.

Ive never known people in the south and north poles to be relatively shorter than anyone living in the other regions of the earth.

that's funny. there's an average difference of two feet between the height of the average Inuit (male) and the average Nilote (Ugandan tribesman).

And your point is.......

Id say Inuits are about always the same height as regular people.Maybe having so much clothes and fat make them look morechubby and small in stature.But im sure this has nothing to do with 2,000 years of adapting to the arctic regions.

... that best be sarcasm, my dear Ansem.

http://www.cps.ca/english/statements/II/ii86-01.htm

plenty of information on other resources at the bottom of that page.

Originally posted by Ansem
ok...much clutter..

Necroton, if you can show me any proof I will be glad to see it.And no radio carbon dating stuff.Scientists have seen that it has flawed over and over.

I'll avoid all the complicated stuff and start with something we can all easily understand, the evolution of humans.

Humans are separeted into four races: australoid, caucasoid, negroid and mongoloid. How did these different races come into being if all humans originated from Africa? Through evolution.

All humans are the same, "race" is actually just a eurocentric term, it doesn't exist, but there's a reason why some groups of people look different from others: Enviromental adaptations.

Why do northern Europeans have white skin? Because the northern hemisphere is dark. Winters are longer than summers, so the majority of the days are shorter than nights. Humans depend on a vitamin they get from the sun, it's called vitamin D. We absorb it through our skin. Since it's more difficult to obtain vitamin D in Europe, the humans inhabiting the areas develop light skin so they could absorb more of it. Ever wonder why some Eskimo and Inuits have dark skin? Because their staple diet for thousands of years has been polar bear liver and seal blubber, which is loaded with vitamin D. Eskimos and Inuits are mongoloid, they travelled up north from central Asia. Since their diet supplied all the vitamin D they needed, they didn't evolve light skin.

Why do humans living around the equator have dark skin? The sun sits in the sky for most of the day, all year long. Too much vitamin D is poisonous, so they developed darker skin to prevent absorbing too much vitamin D.

The amount of melanin you have is what determines skin color, and your melanin levels usually depend on your ancestors' geographical location on the planet.

If you place a group of Africans in Europe, after 3,000 years of living there, they'll be light skinned. All the Europeans in Australia and South Africa are tanning, if they manage to stay there for millennium, they'll turn dark skinned.

And it's not just skin that is effected by geographical locations, jaw structure, height, hair texture and even eye color are also enviromental adaptations that came through evolution.

I'll use noses for my examples:

People in arctic regions have smaller noses, why? Because it makes it harder for their noses to freeze off opposed to big, long noses.

Semites have long, hooked noses. Why? Because it protects their nostrils from getting sand from of the deserts in them.

Well, I hope I've been able to give enough examples. For now, anyways.

And again, race doesn't exist. Skin color does not determine intelligence and behavior, we're all humans, we all came from the same template.

edit: SON OF A ****** !!! Andi got to some of my examples first. :mad:

Oh well.