Americans

Originally Posted by Tiroth

What a wonderful thread. So many people willing to bash America, and some of them even come from there...it's a dream come true! [/sarcasm]

Okay. My thoughts on Americans in general = not good. Those very few I have met (about a dozen or so) are perfectly fine. However, just about everything I here about the the millions that are still in America is bad. Here's a few of the tales I've heard, some of which I sincerely hope are not true.

1) When someon mentioned Europe, one American asked which state it was in.

2) Your average American cannot read maps.

3) In America, someone successfully sued a company for not having a "contains nuts" warning on a packet of peanuts.

4) Several other completely absurd court cases that won, which I won't bore you with.

5) General imbecility. You probably know the kind of thing I mean.

Please note: all of these are simplifications of things I've been told in the past (primarily from people I know who have been to America). I am not trying to offend anyone, and I am sorry if I do.

It is not "vital" to learn any language other than your native one. So it really depends on what country you're from.

Nor do you need to know English in other countries.

Of course they are. We actually have some.

So? In my view, having George W. Bush as you President is a weakness and can only be dtrimental. Means nothing.

And if America had the same technology base Europe had back then, pretty much the same thing would happen. Maybe with a bit more whining. Go figure.

Ever hear of the American Civil War? Lots of such "inferior" people there.

Ever hear of the Iraq war? How about Vietnam? They certainly weren't started by Europe.

And those were thousands of years in which America didn't exist. As for decent farming procedure, European countries have been using such things longer than America has existed.

What a silly thing to say. The vast majority of Americans are descended either from Europeans or the natives. Of course a lot of obese people are descended from Europeans.

In the time period you speak of, "Americans" didn't exist. Except for native Americans, who you say don't count.

Excuse me? America has a history when compared to Europe? Alright - who went back in time and changed things while I wasn't looking?

What statement on religion? if you mean the reformation part, I believe that's one of those points where America didn't exist. Meaning it isn't relevant.

My apologies to anyone who's tired of people replying to xelink, but his posts really got my back up.

Most definitely, zelinks statements were opinion, and they were backed up pretty well too. Unfortunately, I'm not talking about America from a historical standpoint, I'm talking about how America sucks today. If any of you recall a thread that reposted an eighth grade passing test, you also recall that the test it self is unpassable by a vast majority of people already in high school. At least for me, I wouldn't have passed that test, save barely passed it.

Check out the thread here.

I'll bet most people wouldn't be able to pass the test.

Also, reguarding obese people. I've seen white, black, asian, and hispanic people, those of all sorts that are fat as hell. I was implying that most of the population in America is lazy and fat, which is true. Obesity in general is becoming an increasingly larger problem in America, especially in children. I'm basically pointing out that American values are going down the drain, so to speak.

Originally posted by Tiroth
1) When someon mentioned Europe, one American asked which state it was in.

2) Your average American cannot read maps.

3) In America, someone successfully sued a company for not having a "contains nuts" warning on a packet of peanuts.

4) Several other completely absurd court cases that won, which I won't bore you with.

5) General imbecility. You probably know the kind of thing I mean.

I'm positive someone could say similar things for England too, or simply more negative comments.

See what I mean? America isn't the only country that's whacky, every country is a nut-job for one reason or another

Let's face it, there is no normal country, every one has a true problem, and every one is mocked by other countries for whatever cases. America, England, Italy, France, Russia, Cuawkamunga, whatever you name it, it's screwed up.

Ouch, another America bashing thread. Well im going to stay outa this for the most part. I just wanted to say that i love my country (America), I love my family, and i love the fact that i can do anything with my life in this great land of mine. But mainly im just happy im not living in Russia! (Just kidding!)

Also in concurence with the flamanjula theory of relative gyroscopic conundrums, the spherical roticery of human knowledge is but an absentee gracing the many cornfeilds of justice of the American way. Such prototypical protozoa offer a versatile feeding ground in this once baren desolate land. Forthrite, i find it a quandry to assume such intimate indevours were infact degradable manouvers offered subject to the intense reasoning of the carpathian doctrine. Britains caukastuary filibuster on the rempticulate functionality of the inverse dipogenatoid fills many a maratime sea creature with the glee of its deraspitarituarologicalymanifluent forefathers. thrice this abhorent act of nemecidal tendencieas hath utterly decimated mine love for the more apparent beauty in the integral interface of solar technology. Osama bin Laden through his cursory lack of umbilical acheivement has left many a genoptizoid free of that witch rombulates thine figmentation. Trapaziodial thought is infact a burden on todays youth. FLAVEN!!!

Now do you see? Im an American and i wrote all that!!! We must be smart now!!!!

Originally Posted by cdx75xmx

Ouch, another America bashing thread. Well im going to stay outa this for the most part. I just wanted to say that i love my country (America), I love my family, and i love the fact that i can do anything with my life in this great land of mine. But mainly im just happy im not living in Russia! (Just kidding!)

Hmm I'm gonna ignore that remark to some of my historical background.

Originally Posted by Tiroth

1) When someon mentioned Europe, one American asked which state it was in.

2) Your average American cannot read maps.

3) In America, someone successfully sued a company for not having a "contains nuts" warning on a packet of peanuts.

4) Several other completely absurd court cases that won, which I won't bore you with.

5) General imbecility. You probably know the kind of thing I mean.

I would just like you to know I have no met anyone this dumb, unless they are in 3rd grade, for which I do not blame them. My younger brother's friend thought Panama was a state. It's kinda sad, but he's only like 9 years old. As for those people who sue for really strange reasons... I don't like them either.

Originally Posted by Hylian Z

I got nothing against Americans myself.
But pretty much I don't see your country as not too bright, and I'll provide a couple of examples:
1. The common you don't now where Australia is on the map. Ahh how many sketchs have I seen on that.
2. You only learn about YOUR history duing your primary and most of your secondary years
3. Your military tatics-Shoot first ask questions later
4. The New Orleans incident how the place turned into "mob rules" if I may
5. I don't know if this is still going on over there or if it actually happened, that you had guns and other dangerous weapons in your hardware stores for SALE!.
6. Look who your president is.

EDIT:
7. You can be the most self-centred people

1. I remember reading somewhere the average IQ of Americans is in fact lower, but not much lower. The average US IQ was something around 98, whereas the average of European countries range from around 100-103. Not really a huge difference. I'll hunt the source in a bit if you want.
2. I'm taking World History right now, and European History next year (World History focuses on literally everything, while European History focuses on, well, figure it out).
3. Even if that were true (which it's not), that doesn't relate at all to intelligence.
4. Ok, because if this happened anywhere else, they would all act gung ho and throw a great tea party, correct?
5. Again, doesn't relate to intelligence.
6. Yes, because one person reflects the intelligence of an entire country.
7. That doesn't relate to intelligence, but there are self-centered people everywhere.

So, in conclusion, you proved nothing. In fact, you just proved that idiots exist everywhere. Good job.

Originally Posted by trinest

Americas do the following leading to me to belive most americans iqs are lower.
- They start most wars
- They have the most idotic govermental poeple
- they spell colour with out the u.

Congratulations, you made me laugh out loud. That's rare, you deserve a pat on the back.

Originally Posted by Hylian Z

I got nothing against Americans myself.
But pretty much I don't see your country as not too bright, and I'll provide a couple of examples:
1. The common you don't now where Australia is on the map. Ahh how many sketchs have I seen on that.
2. You only learn about YOUR history duing your primary and most of your secondary years
3. Your military tatics-Shoot first ask questions later
4. The New Orleans incident how the place turned into "mob rules" if I may
5. I don't know if this is still going on over there or if it actually happened, that you had guns and other dangerous weapons in your hardware stores for SALE!.
6. Look who your president is.

EDIT:
7. You can be the most self-centred people

I have noticed that some of our geography and history suck major donkey balls(a girl I know once answered Spain as the soverign nation we rebelled from) but we don't focus on our own history. And quite frankly, we don't focus on those things enough(or maybe I say that since it is my forte). We have some basis in that at any rate, maybe we're a proud country but the fact is that the world is Euro-centered. You may be confused, but I happen to think that American culture is derived from plenty of Anglo-Germanic influences enough-- although American adopted the shift after the dominance of Europe ended in the post World War II era(well, all but the Soviets), at least from what I see. You say we're self centered, but really, the world is more or less centered upon this anyway. And as for living standards-- I think Sweden or one of those Scananavian countries actually surpasses us in that. So do a string of European countries. And you guys even have better literacy rates, the last time I checked. American is the world's big brother, really, who only is expected to ensure order because of our economic and social might. I don't see the millitary tactical thing-- I find America is one of the most diplomatic countries. And what about our president?

Originally Posted by Leviathan

1. I remember reading somewhere the average IQ of Americans is in fact lower, but not much lower. The average US IQ was something around 98, whereas the average of European countries range from around 100-103. Not really a huge difference. I'll hunt the source in a bit if you want.
2. I'm taking World History right now, and European History next year (World History focuses on literally everything, while European History focuses on, well, figure it out).
3. Even if that were true (which it's not), that doesn't relate at all to intelligence.
4. Ok, because if this happened anywhere else, they would all act gung ho and throw a great tea party, correct?
5. Again, doesn't relate to intelligence.
6. Yes, because one person reflects the intelligence of an entire country.
7. That doesn't relate to intelligence, but there are self-centered people everywhere.
So, in conclusion, you proved nothing. In fact, you just proved that idiots exist everywhere. Good job.

*sigh*

1. That may be true, but they probably didnt take a range of results, just from a specific area of people, they should take it again with different groups of people. But have you actually looked at the evidence, they are probably people with solid jobs and most likely to be young people fresh out of school

2. I'd admit I'm wrong here, if you bothered to read the whole thing someone already pointed it out

3. OK what I was trying to say was that you military tatics leave a lot to be desired, you rely on sheer power and intimidation, no tatical stratigies are included. And a stratigy is often the result of a great mind, lets take chess as an example.

4. WTF tea party, once again proves that americans are so self centred and so not in tune with the rest of the world that they dont know what the rest of the world is actually like.

5. Do I really need to say it, anyone can walk into a store, buy a gun, and shoot whoever or whatever they want.

6. It does because you voted for him and thus resulted in him serving as president, and again voted for him to serve for another term!

7. It means most americans are not willing to learn about the rest of the world

And by the way I've noticed that most of the americans on these forums are not stupid, and are some of the few that actuallly know how to use their brains.

So in conclusion Leviathan, you wasted your time. Good Job

Americans aren't bad because we're American. We're bad because we're brought up in a way that we learn to be selfish, ignorant, ungrateful, spoiled, and so on. Everybody wants their children to be confident rather than humble and that's what leads to everybody having such high egos. I think that's the biggest problem. So, in general, I guess you could say that I'm not too proud of our people, but I still think that what our nation stands for, along with our values, is the best in the world. I know what all of you in different countries are thinking, "There's that ego again!"

Still, I think that eventually as my generation (and those that follow) reach adult hood, I think America will decline, slow but steady. It's bound to happen eventually. I see all of these lazy, dumb, ghetto, punk or goth kids that are never going to amount to anything, and I'm not sure that we'll be able to continue on in the position we're currently in.

And you know what? If it meant that our country was in the spot light less, or less of a target for terrorism and hate, then I'm all for it.

I'd be lying if I said it didn't piss me off when people from other countries who don't know what they're talking about criticize us. We're not bad people. We are merely ignorant at times.

Originally Posted by Hylian Z

*sigh*

1. That may be true, but they probably didnt take a range of results, just from a specific area of people, they should take it again with different groups of people. But have you actually looked at the evidence, they are probably people with solid jobs and most likely to be young people fresh out of school

2. I'd admit I'm wrong here, if you bothered to read the whole thing someone already pointed it out

3. OK what I was trying to say was that you military tatics leave a lot to be desired, you rely on sheer power and intimidation, no tatical stratigies are included. And a stratigy is often the result of a great mind, lets take chess as an example.

4. WTF tea party, once again proves that americans are so self centred and so not in tune with the rest of the world that they dont know what the rest of the world is actually like.

5. Do I really need to say it, anyone can walk into a store, buy a gun, and shoot whoever or whatever they want.

6. It does because you voted for him and thus resulted in him serving as president, and again voted for him to serve for another term!

7. It means most americans are not willing to learn about the rest of the world

And by the way I've noticed that most of the americans on these forums are not stupid, and are some of the few that actuallly know how to use their brains.

So in conclusion Leviathan, you wasted your time. Good Job

3. In ground combat, American soldiers are extremely well trained and rely on mainly tactics, not power. Still, doesn't relate to what this thread is about.

4. It was a joke. I was basically saying that if Katrina happened elsewhere, I'm sure something similar would have happened.

5. Stop bringing up irrelavent topics. It only hurts your argument.

6. When two clowns are running, one has to win.

7. Maybe some, but I find learning about other parts of the world interesting. I'm enjoying world history much more than American history so far, simply because I like learning about other cultures and civilizations. I'm not sure why, exactly.

"And by the way I've noticed that most of the americans on these forums are not stupid, and are some of the few that actuallly know how to use their brains."

Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting at. There are intelligent and unintelligent people everwhere, be it America, Europe or wherever.

Originally posted by Hylian Z
And by the way I've noticed that most of the americans on these forums are not stupid, and are some of the few that actuallly know how to use their brains.

Enough out of you

I've seen you sit there and complain about American's stereotyping and being ignorant of other countries, and yet you're turning around and bad-mouthing us in the same damn manner.

I think I'll do some reply pulling of my own:

Originally Posted by trinest

Americas do the following leading to me to belive most americans iqs are lower.
- They start most wars
- They have the most idotic govermental poeple
- they spell colour with out the u.

1. Yeah, we started all the wars that we got dragged into halfay through them. How is that possible?

2. Intellegence of government=intellegence of country does not compute with physics.

3. So, you're saying the different spelling of something makes us stupid? That's a pathetic reason to think we're dumb.

I got nothing against Americans myself.
But pretty much I don't see your country as not too bright, and I'll provide a couple of examples:
1. The common you don't now where Australia is on the map. Ahh how many sketchs have I seen on that.
2. You only learn about YOUR history duing your primary and most of your secondary years
3. Your military tatics-Shoot first ask questions later
4. The New Orleans incident how the place turned into "mob rules" if I may
5. I don't know if this is still going on over there or if it actually happened, that you had guns and other dangerous weapons in your hardware stores for SALE!.
6. Look who your president is.

EDIT:
7. You can be the most self-centred people

1. I go to the best school in the area I live in: most of them can read maps, and, in fact, most of us are common Americans, as we aren't private school people. This must be a miracle to you.

2. Simple answer: our country is important to us, as is other countries are important to their residents. Us learning about our country doesn't make us stupid.

3. Can't say, not that old yet.

4. Come on, I would go insane if I was in that sort of situation, and I consider myself self-controlled for the most part.

5. So, that makes us stupid how? "OH GNOES, LIEK zOMG, A POUR DREL IN A HRDWRE STOR, WTF? IT DONT MKAE CENTS!!!!!!1!!!!111!!! AMRICNS ST00PID CUZ THT DANGRUS WPN IN HRDWR STR!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!oneone

6. Read my response to Trinest's remark on that.

7. Doesn't relate to intellegence, and besides, I'm sure that other countries have had their wacks of selfishness.

I agree. These days I'm always pissed off at Americans because of their way to be. They can't argue without saying "we saved ur ass in <random war>!" and all the teenagers there have started this anti-mainstream crap that really annoys me.

Let's not get started on what they think about the world outside them. Judging from their movies, Sweden is nothing but mountains and snow, we have the letter 'ü' in our language (which is not correct) and there are only blondes here. That's just one country for you, if you would have heard the rest you would be laughing or crying.

I haven't even mentioned half of what annoys me with them, because I know people are going to get upset now. But that's what you get for being as you are, and I think you deserve it.

I however am thankful for USA because they invented Coca-Cola, McDonald's, etc. They deliver products I enjoy, so for that I give them credit. It's not like I hate Americans, I just tend to not like them.

Although you probably have had bad history with America, I assure you that most don't act like that. And, in fact, I think it's very rash of you to say that many others deserve hazing by you and others just for something select others have done.

Please note that these are just opinions as such, and are not intended to change other's opinions.

Originally Posted by Leviathan

3. In ground combat, American soldiers are extremely well trained and rely on cover and tactics, not power. Still, doesn't relate to what this thread is about.

4. It was a joke. I was basically saying that if Katrina happened elsewhere, I'm sure something similar would have happened.

5. Stop bringing up irrelavent topics. It only hurts your argument.

6. When two clowns are running, one has to win.

7. Maybe some, but I find learning about other parts of the world interesting. I'm enjoying world history much more than American history so far, simply because I like learning about other cultures and civilizations. I'm not sure why, exactly.

"And by the way I've noticed that most of the americans on these forums are not stupid, and are some of the few that actuallly know how to use their brains."

Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting at. There are intelligent and unintelligent people everwhere, be it America, Europe or wherever.

But in all seriousness I have nothin against any of you guys. I just have a problem with pride. And I always have to defend what I say, It's just me. I don't want anyone to hate me or anything, I just complain a lot it's my personality

4. Im sure it wouldn't definately not here in Australia anyway. Because there was the incident of Cylcone Tracey that destroyed Darwin the capital of one of our states, no mob rule occurred there, and Plus it happened on Christmas.

5. How is providing guns in hardware stores to people irrelavent, especially a country that is worried about terrorist attacks, so what I'm saying is that a terrorist can walk in to the shop and buy a gun.

6. But you choose the clown without a brain lol

But what do you really want me to say that americans are hardworking, not selfcentred and over all smart people...because I just cant say it.

Originally Posted by Hylian Z

But what do you really want me to say that americans are hardworking, not selfcentred and over all smart people...because I just cant say it.

Haha, of course not. It doesn't matter where a person is from, that doesn't determine anything. Some people from certain countries are stupid, some are smart, some are selfish, some are selfless, some are hardworking, some are lazy. In the end, it doesn't matter where people live... having an opinion on someone based solely on their country is just idiotic.

I agree that Americans' knowledge of geography and proficiency in mathematics may be somewhat lacking compared to the rest of the world, though that is not due to the intelligence of individuals but the society itself. The education system doesn't focus much on geography, and the level of mathematics is approximately two years behind most other countries. I've heard that it's to give everyone a fair chance of higher education. I come from a country (not Canada) where the students are streamed (into elite and normal) every several years. Obviously the "normal" students will have a harder time getting into university, because the "elite" attend better schools, have better teachers, learn more things, and so forth. Although America shouldn't lower the standards, because it will only lead to lower standards in the future (a viscious cycle), the intention is just. In the case of geography though, a error of judgement perhaps?

One thing that really irks me is the way that they focus on speech so much more than writing. Hence, there are people who seem to speak very well, and very fast, but when it comes to writing, they mix synonyms up and spell words they don't know based solely on sound (while normal people check the dictionary). How can they call themselves English speakers if their writing could be worse than those who come from a country with another first language? But once more, this is a problem with the education system.

America is one of the most powerful nations, and one of those who command the most attention. Most of our movies are from Hollywood. The best-known best-seller list for books is the "New York Times". The majority of the world knows the president of America, but not the prime minister of New Zealand, for example. The US influence is spreading all around, and at times it almost seems as if US is the centre of the world. I'm not certain how that happened, and I don't know if that is the fault of Americans, but it would be grand if other nations exerted more of their influence.

Originally Posted by Hylian Z

But in all seriousness I have nothin against any of you guys. I just have a problem with pride. And I always have to defend what I say, It's just me. I don't want anyone to hate me or anything, I just complain a lot it's my personality

4. Im sure it wouldn't definately not here in Australia anyway. Because there was the incident of Cylcone Tracey that destroyed Darwin the capital of one of our states, no mob rule occurred there, and Plus it happened on Christmas.

5. How is providing guns in hardware stores to people irrelavent, especially a country that is worried about terrorist attacks, so what I'm saying is that a terrorist can walk in to the shop and buy a gun.

6. But you choose the clown without a brain lol

But what do you really want me to say that americans are hardworking, not selfcentred and over all smart people...because I just cant say it.

Honestly, who's feeding you this ignorant propaganda? (LOL, I SPELLED IT AND IM AMERICAN? WTF IS THAT ABOUT?????????????? ) Basically, you're saying we're stupid and using unproven, biased, anti-American reasons that are basically not true to back yourself up. And, just because I can't help myself, I'll pull your replies a bit further:

4. So, that doesn't prove anything. Basically, people have different aspects on situations. That doesn't determine intellegence. It just determines insecurity. So Americans are insecure. So sue us.

5. Oh yeah, sure, like an Al-Queida (sp?) terrorist is going to walk into a hardware store and buy a gun (which aren't sold loaded, by the way) and shoot everyone in sight. Yeah, that'll happen.

6. lol they both didn't have brains lololololol It really wouldn't make a difference what would happen with which president, we would still be in the middle of this war.

And, no, I don't want you to say we're awesome and smart. But, if this is what you'll use to be so biased at us, I can't say you're too bright yourself.

Originally Posted by Leminnes

As far as I know, I do count Native American. They are definately Americans, even more so then most "Americans."

If you read, I did include them in that, they were still farming beter than the Europeans

Well right now I wouldn't call Europeans starving and American higher living. It does not help much that I feel like I have more money then our government because of there billions of dollars of debt. Even so, I cannot really think of a time when Americans were higher living and Europeans were starving. Middle Ages maybe but that was a LONG time ago. Not even relevant. Even so, only Native Americans were here and they "do not count."

1500-2005, unless you disbelive the authors of College and highschool texbooks.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/039...83155&v=glance
great text, you should read it you obviously know little of what you speek of.

Sure they are a bit more Liberal but when you think about it. Americans have the highest percentage of Pregnant Teens. I know that from experience from when my mom was a teacher for the Pregnant Teens Education Program. There were about 51 in her one class and I doubt that was all of them.

There also happens to be a lower abortion rate for the most part... also, the use of contraceptives are more common in Europe

Now this is the most retarded thing you have said all day. You cannon blame New Orleans on the French. They didn't know any better then or even there descendent didn't know any better. We are talking about hundreds of years ago.

and you can't blame 100% of the population for the actions of proletarians who make up less than 1% of a total population can you... even so, whatever building done by American's base based upon French precedent.

Because I'm not sure it's even worth our time.

That would be because it is true. Way to go killing each other in the masses only to renounce what you fought for a few generations later.

lemines, in full serious, do you ever really think about what you do or do you merely say what comes to mind based upon what those around you such as your parents have told you? You should expose yourself to make up for what your parents have lacked to do; atleast if you want to be at any level autonomous
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oh well, petty is as petty does...

Fine Fine Fine Ill shut up, Geez. One of you asked what the rest of the world thought of Americans and I told you.
If I offended you, I'm sorry ok. I dont want to be an anti-american or what not, it's just that you really REALLY bug me.

Ok I wont post anymore on how I think americans live, but I'm only telling you what I hear though, news, talk and on through other sources. Ill only watch now so there.

Once again I dont want to be a part of it anymore because I'm sure I'm getting on everyones nerves

I have many friends who are MK's (Missionary Kids) and I have learned from them 2 things.

1. Americans are ignorant about other nations. However, judging from some of the posts on this thread, I can tell that it works the other way around too.

2. Schools in other countries are in fact harder than American schools.

I feel that something is going wrong with the American education system. In my history class last year, there were about three people in my class who did not know who the first President of the United States was. When he discovered many students did not know the answers to seemingly easy questions, my teacher gave a very basic, easy quiz. I was the only one who got all the questions right without cheating. The problem is that in many school districts, people simply don't care (mainly the students, but often parents and school staff too).

Furthermore, I would like to point out that New Orleans was built before it went below sea level, and the people of that time couldn't just abandon a city of its importance. There was a failure on the part of the government, mainly in the fact that FEMA lost alot of its power when the Department of Homeland Security was made.

Originally Posted by Hylian Z

But what do you really want me to say that americans are hardworking, not selfcentred and over all smart people...because I just cant say it.

As people have said, why can't you see the same type of people in other cultures? We are not the sole hive of evil and laziness in the world, you know. And that's just about as harsh as a sterotype that we may have implaced on the world(example, our British image of people drinking tea and crumpets). The majority of us aren't even like that, just how we may see southern America as a bunch of rednecks. You never know unless you do a little actual reserach behind the media's popular and sometimes unjustified portrayals.

Originally Posted by Szernade

One thing that really irks me is the way that they focus on speech so much more than writing. Hence, there are people who seem to speak very well, and very fast, but when it comes to writing, they mix synonyms up and spell words they don't know based solely on sound (while normal people check the dictionary). How can they call themselves English speakers if their writing could be worse than those who come from a country with another first language? But once more, this is a problem with the education system.

Me as well. Writing has gotten so mechanical and linear in our system-- "detail A has to correspond with two more sub details" -- just shut up and let me do it my self taught style and I can gurantee it will be more or less the same without sounding like a neat robot without any ...well, interesting input. We have the concept hammered in our heads so much when my teacher asked us to write a chapter of the Oddesy from a third view prespective -- one kid asked if we were supposed to do it in five paragraph form. It just sucks.

Not to mention how I know many kids who confuse Italy with France. And how the hell are you led to beleive America won its independence from Spain? Has nobody heard of the country Portugal either? Geography ...really needs work. I don't get it really. And I guess people do have a base when they say American's lack of geographical effiency, but it seriously needs improvement. I don't think its the lack of intelligence, but stemming from the damn school system's lack of emphasis on them.

Originally Posted by The Neglected

1. Yeah, we started all the wars that we got dragged into halfay through them. How is that possible?

Yeah. And once had this concept of isolationism that everybody got up our ass for. *cough*World Wars*cough*