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Old 09-17-2005, 01:54 PM
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it's something I've been thinking for many years but I still don't know what the answer is, maybe I never will know. Now to the point, I was thinking: electrons are some kind of spheres that travels around a atomic nucleus. This forms a atom. Now, billions of atoms is one molecule. Now, a billions of molecules together forms a DNA(correct me if I'm wrong). Know , I was thinking: our planet is also a sphere and other planets to, and they also travel around a atomic nucleus(the sun). this whole thing that we call is a solar sytem (atom). So maybe we also live in a atom and I think the molecule is the so called milkyway and the whole galaxy can be found in a DNA. so that could mean it's so infinite that there's no end or a beginning. What are you're thoughts?(it's just a theory)
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Re: planets=electron ???

What the hell are you talking about. First of all billions of atoms dont form a molecule. Several do but not billions. Many molecules dont form dna. I mean look at the ocean which is composed of billions of water molecules , but is it dna. Sorry if that insulted you. Anyway i dont think the way you do. I think that a glaxy is a galaxy and it isnt some sort of molecule unless you mean that it is just a small component of the universe then yes it is. Oh well I cant think of much else im very tired.
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Re: planets=electron ???

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it's something I've been thinking for many years but I still don't know what the answer is, maybe I never will know. Now to the point, I was thinking: electrons are some kind of spheres that travels around a atomic nucleus. This forms a atom. Now, billions of atoms is one molecule. Now, a billions of molecules together forms a DNA(correct me if I'm wrong). Know , I was thinking: our planet is also a sphere and other planets to, and they also travel around a atomic nucleus(the sun). this whole thing that we call is a solar system (atom). So maybe we also live in a atom and I think the molecule is the so called milky way and the whole galaxy can be found in a DNA. so that could mean it's so infinite that there's no end or a beginning. What are you're thoughts?(it's just a theory)
There are some problems with this.
1. What about satellites? (The Moon etc.), electrons don't have stuff orbiting them.
2. Electrons orbit in rings, the closest ring has two, then 8, 8, 8. Our solar system has nothing like that.
3. Electrons are negatively charged, planets are neutral.
4. Atoms are bonded together when they form a molecule, this does not occur in your idea.
5. DNA is not ∞
6. Molecules bond together to form things, other galaxies are not bonded to ours.

Those are just off the top of my head, I'd say your theory needs allot more work.
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Old 09-17-2005, 03:22 PM
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Re: planets=electron ???

There are many questions as to how all matter was created, some people turn to God, others just have no !@#$ clue. It's near impossible to tell, but an interesting question nonetheless. The way I see it, everything that has a beginning, has an end, and if something doesn't have an end, it has no beginning.

Eh, I don't know if that's what you were talking about or not though.
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Old 09-17-2005, 03:35 PM
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Re: planets=electron ???

Electrons and Protons form atoms

A few Atoms form molecules hwich form Elements Gold (AU) etc and so on and Elemments makin up everything on earth along with Compounds (Mixture of Elements)

Atom usally have the same number of Protons and Electrons but if they become unbalanced they become Ions (+/-)

It depends what you belive Gravity is thats what controls our Solar System objects roataing bigger objects etc depending on distance etc

Some belive gravity has relation to that of Proton-Electron its one of those interesting science questions.

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Old 09-17-2005, 03:57 PM
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Re: planets=electron ???

Another problem is that atoms don't have elements making up their protons, electrons and neutrons. So the sun or any of the planets can't be making an atom.

I think that we proved your theorie wrong, now prove us wrong
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Re: planets=electron ???

It is an interesting similitude (although, as Ragnar pointed out, your assumption on the numerical composition of molecules is erroneous). Indeed, it has been surmised that entire "worlds" of sub-atomic particles make up single atoms. This is very very slowly being proven, as we know of about 32 different types of these sub-atomic particles, so far (sounds a bit like Basken Robbins' 32 ice-cream flavors-->forgive the spelling if incorrect...I've never eaten there).

When one gains a macro and microscopic view of the Universe, it becomes less surprising to find such similarities. Infact, scientists expect, now, to find that basic principles extend to many different applications.

To quote the English translation of an interesting book: "Do not find this similitude surprising." Of course, the author was talking about the carnal marital bond existing in Paradise, but the idea fits, either way.
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Old 09-17-2005, 06:51 PM
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Re: planets=electron ???

I'm not an expert on biochemistry, but isn't DNA a single molecule, or compound?

DNA is made of sugar, phosphate and a nitrogenous base. The galaxy is made of dark matter.

Our planet is not a perfect sphere. It's "pointed" at the poles.

Technicalities aside, your point about the similarities is valid. Particle physics and astronomy are two fields that frequently meet. Both types of systems are governed by fundamental forces - the strong force and gravity, respectively.
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Re: planets=electron ???

everyone!!! Like I said it's just a theory.like you said Szerenade, I agree that our planet isn't a perfect sphere, but who says that electrons are. Scientists don't have high high high high tech microscope to explore the whole atom. they are only able to see a few spheres spinning around a big sphere that 's all. I just thought of that because I saw and read and learned in school that electrons spin around a atomic nucleus, and that happens also in our solar system. So I think they maybe have a connection between each other, you can say that a atom is a mini mini mini mini solar system. Ok like I said Scientists don't have high high high high tech microscope to explore the whole atom or a electron, so they can't see if there's a moon or something. And you say our planet has some satellites. Ok maybe they don't have satellites like us because ther aren't that civilized or maybe they are but we can't see it, because we aren't that intelligent to see that. Ok, maybe I have made some mistakes with the details that I gave you in my thread, sorry about that. Know about the subject:"so that could mean it's so infinite that there's no end or a beginning": Ok I want to explain something about this subject. You guys say if there's a beginning then there's a end. I agree with that to. But if my theory does make sence then it's impossible that there is a beginning or a end. Can you guys tell me where the beginning of the galaxy start's. everyone will say the big bang(duh). But what is the orgin of the big bang? How did the orgin of the big bang exist? what's the cause of it? how did the orgin of the cause exist? it's infinite, I must say. And I'm really sure that we never are going to get the answer to these questions.
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Re: planets=electron ???

Holy Jesus, that is confusing and that's the kind of stuff I like to hear! Abviously, you must think alot, like me. I Can never keep my thoughts straight, and when I do, they'tre extremely complicated and make perfect sense. It all depends on how you look at life.
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Old 09-18-2005, 03:46 AM
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thanks Exodus. I love to think about many things such as mysterious things or inexplicable things.For me, life is something else then just wake up at the morning have your breakfast, go to school, get a job,get married, have problems in your life, get old and die. I don't think this is the reason why we exist. I think we have an other mission on earth that we have to do . But I don't no what it is. Why do we exist? what is our mission? it's really weird....
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Old 09-18-2005, 05:33 AM
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Re: planets=electron ???

RAGNAR: Are you saying DNA isn't made up of atoms? Well, it is. Everything is.

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everyone!!! Like I said it's just a theory.like you said Szerenade, I agree that our planet isn't a perfect sphere, but who says that electrons are. Scientists don't have high high high high tech microrything is.scope to explore the whole atom. they are only able to see a few spheres spinning around a big sphere that 's all.
Wrong. They don't see anything. No one has ever seen a single atom, and no one ever will. They're too small. The photons in the light don't bounce of a single atom.

I heard a theory that electrons aren't balls, either, but a cloud around the core. This cannot be proved yet, of course, since we can't see it.

Trying to find out anything about atoms is like having an animal in a closed cage and trying to find out what it is by sticking a stick into it and see what happens to it. Or maybe not, I'm not a scientist.
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Re: planets=electron ???

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everyone!!! Like I said it's just a theory.like you said Szerenade, I agree that our planet isn't a perfect sphere, but who says that electrons are. Scientists don't have high high high high tech microscope to explore the whole atom. they are only able to see a few spheres spinning around a big sphere that 's all. I just thought of that because I saw and read and learned in school that electrons spin around a atomic nucleus, and that happens also in our solar system. So I think they maybe have a connection between each other, you can say that a atom is a mini mini mini mini solar system. Ok like I said Scientists don't have high high high high tech microscope to explore the whole atom or a electron, so they can't see if there's a moon or something. And you say our planet has some satellites. Ok maybe they don't have satellites like us because ther aren't that civilized or maybe they are but we can't see it, because we aren't that intelligent to see that. Ok, maybe I have made some mistakes with the details that I gave you in my thread, sorry about that. Know about the subject:"so that could mean it's so infinite that there's no end or a beginning": Ok I want to explain something about this subject. You guys say if there's a beginning then there's a end. I agree with that to. But if my theory does make sence then it's impossible that there is a beginning or a end. Can you guys tell me where the beginning of the galaxy start's. everyone will say the big bang(duh). But what is the orgin of the big bang? How did the orgin of the big bang exist? what's the cause of it? how did the orgin of the cause exist? it's infinite, I must say. And I'm really sure that we never are going to get the answer to these questions.

A Theory means that you think something and you have evidence to back it up, so you should be able to defend it. Anyways, I think that HAB is correct, we haven't seen atoms yet, we certainly haven't seen electrons. Also, when I say Satilites I mean 'moons', the actual term for what we call satilites are 'artificial satilites', the moon is an actual satilite.

Despite the fact that we haven't seen electrons we can safely conclude that they are all the same, how? because they all do the exact same thing when put into certain circumstances. However, planets are all shapes and sizes, some have rings, some don't, some are made of gas, others of rock, some are over a thousand times larger then Earth, none of them orbit in the same levels as electrons, they don't have a negative charge, solar systems/galaxies are not bonded together, if we are part of DNA why are galaxies moving away from each other? Why are stars moving around? surely they should stay still, or at the very least not be expanding.

Those are all things you'll have to account for before your theory will stand up. That's how science works, you propose an idea and show some proof, others see your idea and point out the flaws. You then go back and try and correct your idea.

Edit: oh, and what about comets/asteroids? How do they fit in with your atom model? After all, they orbit stars, heck, the Sun has a huge cloud of them out past Pluto called the Oort cloud, never mind the asteroid belt, nothing like that is known to orbit electrons.
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Wrong. They don't see anything. No one has ever seen a single atom, and no one ever will. They're too small. The photons in the light don't bounce of a single atom.
Actually, our high-powered microscopes have allowed us to see atoms for the past couple years. They're computer-generated pictures, at best, but we can see them. I've seen some at the University of Delaware. It takes FOREVER to get such a good image, and takes a TON of Energy, but it has and can be done. However, "seeing" sub-atomic particles is like seeing the wind--we have to destroy atoms and then observe the effects in different situations.
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Re: planets=electron ???

I really like this theory. In fact, I have also thought about this possibility and it seems quite logical to me. We could be living on the electron of an object in another entire living world. Has anyone seen Men In Black? At the end the shot shows the earth in its solar system amoung millions of others, and they are all compacted into just one little marble of another life! It's mind blowing. I love it!
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Re: planets=electron ???

Wait, you are implying that our solar system or galaxy is an atom?

Well, although both have similar properties (ie. several planets/particles orbit a nucleus/sun), I wouldn't go so far as to say that our solar system was an actual atom.
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Re: planets=electron ???

I think you need to rethink the theory...sorry to be so blunt but hey thats what I think. Yes what some of the stuff you said is true...except for certain things which has been gone over already so I am not going to waste my time. Listen, there are certain similarities that atoms have with the planets...which is mostly that the planets revolve around the sun...but that is because of something entirely different. Study up on youre science and come back for another crack at a theory.
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