My Hypothisis on Vegetarians and Drugs.

I have Hypothisis that vegetarians are slightly more likely to not get off drugs. The reasonning behind this... is that meat was one of the things that helped us evolve from apes. Maybe without it it's harder to get off drugs.

Please don't flame me, it's extremely annoying and go's nowhere(I know that won't help at all but might as well put that there). Please say why this can't be true(I know from experiance this won't help, and no one will agree with my theory) . I have another version of the theory...

It's because of pesticides, and with out as much protein (or whatever) you don't stop the unknown but possibally there chemical that makes it harder to quit drugs.

Oviousally the first is my main one, but you never know.

Well, You seem to have reached a respectale hypothisis, although you have no sceintific back up.

(btw, nuts have protein)

Originally Posted by 8bit

Well, You seem to have reached a respectale hypothisis, although you have no sceintific back up.

(btw, nuts have protein)

Finally not a flame! any whoo, everything has protein the chair my ass is on has protein. But meat has more then most plants, and people don't eat nuts too often, and I know that sounds real gross.

lol. Last week I ate an entire tub of nuts in one sitting, then preceded to forget to eat for the next two days. I eat lots o' nuts.

People don't eat nuts that often?! I eat them almost every day! Although nuts may not be the best source of protein, they're still a lot better than most foods nutrition-wise. The only problem there would with being a vegetarian would being allergic to nuts. >.< Ugh, that would suck...

Originally Posted by DarKnite'92

The reasonning behind this... is that meat was one of the things that helped us evolve from apes. Maybe without it it's harder to get off drugs.

Why don't you rather give a reason your theory is true.

I ain't saying it's false, but right now, you haven't given any reasons for it to be true. You're just saying what you believe, but not why you beileve that.

An argument against is that there are many other factors affecting, and even if this is true, it is such a small factor, it's not worth concidering.

1) We didn't evolve from apes
2)Meat didn't help us evolve, more or less the need for our bodies to adapt into diferent things to handle the meat.
3)Protien comes from more places than meat, and you can get it from many other things. Lima beans anyone?
4)I don't think there's any scientific evidence proving pesticides casue chemical synapses in the brain to make us mentally adducted to drugs.
5) Most humans eat both, though you can say meat overpowers said pesticide induced chemical reactions.

This is a hypothesis of yours, so you don't need evidece, but you'd need to do some scientific procedure earlier to come up with a reasonable hypothesis.

Originally Posted by Darknite'92

I have Hypothisis that vegetarians are slightly more likely to not get off drugs. The reasonning behind this... is that meat was one of the things that helped us evolve from apes. Maybe without it it's harder to get off drugs.

First of all, humans common ancestor seems to be the chimpanze, not the ape. Second of all, if meat consumption helped us evolve, why didn't the lions evolve as well? The only thing that helped us evolve was us being adapted to our enviorment and being able to hunt. Oh and since when were apes carnivores? I thought they were omnivores!

It's because of pesticides, and with out as much protein (or whatever) you don't stop the unknown but possibally there chemical that makes it harder to quit drugs.

Wow, that has to be the worst thing to say to back up you opinion without even looking at the facts. I don't see anywhere in here the chemicals found in marjuina. EDIT: Plus, the feds are regulating pesticides, like Haruhiko said, so that little hypothesis of yours is not well thought out at all.

Meat being the only source of protein? Lets look at a can of lima beans nutironal facts shall we kids?

zOMG, 15g of protein! Meat is not the only source you know. Oh and vegans have found out a way of getting their daily need of protein too!

Please don't flame me, it's extremely annoying and go's nowhere

People will flame you as all you doing is backing up you hypothesis with nothing but belief and ignorance, while people aginst your opinion are backing it up with facts.

Next, please.

Yes, I don't believe your theory. If we can evolve if we eat meat, then the lions and tigers and bears (Oh my!) would probably have evolved faster than we did because they eat a buttload of meat. And, pesticides don't mean a thing in it, the worst it could do is poison you if they put too much in. Plus, yes, there are many legumes and even some mushrooms are good sources of proteins than meats. At least vegetables aren't loaded with crap to get you addicted to it or anything like that.

Originally Posted by Nox

First of all, humans common ancestor seems to be the chimpanze, not the ape. Second of all, if meat consumption helped us evolve, why didn't the lions evolve as well? The only thing that helped us evolve was us being adapted to our enviorment and being able to hunt. Oh and since when were apes carnivores? I thought they were omnivores!

Wow, that has to be the worst thing to say to back up you opinion without even looking at the facts. I don't see anywhere in here the chemicals found in marjuina

Meat being the only source of protein? Lets look at a can of lima beans nutironal facts shall we kids?

zOMG, 15g of protein! Meat is not the only source you know. Oh and vegans have found out a way of getting their daily need of protein too!

People will flame you as all you doing is backing up you hypothesis with nothing but belief and ignorance, while people aginst your opinion are backing it up with facts.

Next, please.

I never said that you can only get protein from meat. The chimpanse is an ape. Along with gibbons, and gorillas.

Originally Posted by Zoran Hero

Yes, I don't believe your theory. If we can evolve if we eat meat, then the lions and tigers and bears (Oh my!) would probably have evolved faster than we did because they eat a buttload of meat. And, pesticides don't mean a thing in it, the worst it could do is poison you if they put too much in. Plus, yes, there are many legumes and even some mushrooms are good sources of proteins than meats. At least vegetables aren't loaded with crap to get you addicted to it or anything like that.

Sorry to tell you but the main thing for evolution is adapting. They don't need to adapt. I'm just saying meat helps. And bears are omnivores. And buttload is not a quanity.

This is what happens when Serious Discussion ain't around. More stupid, only loading up the General Chit-Chat

1) We didn't evolve from apes

Nice opinion...it sounds too much like a fact. O.o

I have Hypothisis that vegetarians are slightly more likely to not get off drugs. The reasonning behind this... is that meat was one of the things that helped us evolve from apes. Maybe without it it's harder to get off drugs.

Information? Source of reasoning behind this?

Kiddies, guess what! A hypothesis is a well-thought-out belief based on compiled information! Like, z0mG!

It's because of pesticides, and with out as much protein (or whatever) you don't stop the unknown but possibally there chemical that makes it harder to quit drugs.

Is it just me, or are there a lot more companies that do organic foods? I mean, it's a little place called "Fresh Market", or you know, the guy who sells vegetables and fruits for about 50 cents more but tastes better and is also better for you? Gee....

Oh, and even then, we have the good ol' Feds regulating pesticides now, which are safer, and save those poor eagles.

Originally Posted by DarKnite'92

Sorry to tell you but the main thing for evolution is adapting. They don't need to adapt. I'm just saying meat helps.

Wow, does it really matter? So you're saying, that if we tame a lion, take it to a suburbian house, keep a whole family of these lions there for millions of years to give them time to adapt to it, and they eat a lot of their weight in meat, they will evolve? Blech. Fat chance.

And bears are omnivores.

Wow, they still eat their fill in meat. I doubt eating a full veggie meal in the winter will give them the fat they need to sleep through it. More failing.

And buttload is not a quanity.

OMFG, BUTTLOAD IS NOT A QUANTITY, WTF? Does it really matter? And, as Haruhiko said, the feds are maintaining the pesticides in vegetables, mkay? And, just so you know, that post I did make was trying to not flame, but I take it you twisted it around so I would end up talking you out. Still, your logic makes no sense, and reeks of something not smart.

Originally Posted by DarKnite'92

I have Hypothisis that vegetarians are slightly more likely to not get off drugs. The reasonning behind this... is that meat was one of the things that helped us evolve from apes. Maybe without it it's harder to get off drugs.

Please don't flame me, it's extremely annoying and go's nowhere(I know that won't help at all but might as well put that there). Please say why this can't be true(I know from experiance this won't help, and no one will agree with my theory) . I have another version of the theory...

It's because of pesticides, and with out as much protein (or whatever) you don't stop the unknown but possibally there chemical that makes it harder to quit drugs.

Oviousally the first is my main one, but you never know.

that's not really a hypothesis, that's more of a guess. there is no evidence whatsoever to support your claim. now here's why it's impossible:

you say it's something in the pesticides. well, you're not taking into account the fact that all farm animals eat plants too. a lot of these are grown with pesticides. as you go up the food chain, a small amount of pesticide will have a bigger effect (this is why pesticides are such a danger to carnivorous birds). if you need me to explain that, I can, but for now you can just take my word. so since the pesticide's effects are made bigger as they go into animals, carnivores will get a higher dosage of the pesticide than vegetarians.

now in addition to this, you haven't given any reason why plants grown with pesticides (even though the plants are washed to get rid of any toxins) will cause chemical addictions to completely unrelated substances.

your whole guess is based on a generalization. the majority of pot smokers eat meat, and the majority of vegetarians don't smoke pot. your assumption is based on the hippie generation, where both of these were often part of the hippie subculture. of course, they also wore bright clothes. does this mean vegetarians have some internal desire for bright clothing?

in terms of evolution, becoming carnivores didn't play a large role in our evolution. sure, we evolved the ability to eat meat, but that's only so that we can have more possible ways to get our necessary resources. humans don't need meat, it's just easier. so let's look at your logic. meat helped evolution; therefore, a lack of meat causes addictions. this is what's called non sequitur: your evidence has nothing to do with your conclusion.

so there's your answer, with no flaming.

This thread has turned into a quote war, and it wasn't partiularly great to begin with.

And for the record, we didn't evolve from apes, or chimpanzees, or any creature that exists today. The idea is that we shared a common ancestor. Evolution is a fairly simple concept, it's amazing how many people there are that totally fail to grasp it and say idiotic things like "we evolved from apes".