a fresh new topic

the topic? hallucinogenic drugs. In this thread feel free to post about your experiences with such drugs as psilocibin mushrooms, LSD, and peyote among others. You can talk about the physical aspects of the drugs or the experience.

TO MAKE THIS CLEAR- lets keep it clean in here I don't want to see any vulgar language.













P.S. watch the moderators close this thread because of a difference of opinions.

I have never used any hallucinogenic drugs, so I really can't form an opinion. I wouldn't think they would be too bad, seeing as how you can't really overdose on them and I don't believe using them in moderation would have any negative long term effects (except flashbacks, I think). Cocaine, Heroin, Ecstacy, Alcohol, and Tobacco are all much more harmful.

Originally Posted by Leviathan

I have never used any hallucinogenic drugs, so I really can't form an opinion. I wouldn't think they would be too bad, seeing as how you can't really overdose on them and I don't believe using them in moderation would have any negative long term effects (except flashbacks, I think, but that's not really negative). Cocaine, Heroin, Ecstacy, Alcohol, and Tobacco are all much more harmful.

actually you can OD on hallucinogenic drugs so you have to be careful.

What I meant by 'in moderation' was once every few months.

Originally Posted by WatermelonTROUT

actually you can OD on hallucinogenic drugs so you have to be careful.

What I meant by 'in moderation' was once every few months.

Which ones? I wouldn't think mushrooms and I think you would need a ton of LSD to OD on it.

You can OD on mushrooms especially if you eat the wrong kind. It can cause liver damage and liver failure. You must be extremely cautious.

why "is" drugs bad in your opinion Darkknite'92?

I've never tried any drugs, hallucinogenic, or otherwise. I have no desire to, either.

I don't really have an opnion regarding the ethics of drug use. I guess, if one's use of such substances does not endanger the well-being of those around the user or cause them to react violently, then I have no qualms with them at all. If someone wants to mess themselves up, that's thier choice. =/

But, again, I've no desire to do drugs and I refuse to ever try - even out of curiosity. It just doesn't sound like something that would be in best interest. Plus, I like having a clean drug record.

And, for the record, the only reason I can see this thread getting locked would be if some dolt brings religion into this and starts a "debate". As it is... it's nothing too bad. All you are asking for is a sharing of experiences, anyhow, not so much a debate. So, in my opinion, it's fine. If another mod disagrees, so be it.

Good to see you posting again, by the way.

I personally don't think that a thread on drug usage is an appropriate topic for a board that attracts young members.

When I used to be a detention officer at the local jail, I got to see all kinds of "cool" drug users having withdrawal symptons and so severely messed up that they defecated on themselves and all other kinds of stuff. So my experience with drugs is getting to see its after effects on the users.

NO. Why? Because all drugs period aside from one's used to help heal sickness are bad, and cant be good for your health. Especially not one's that make you hallucinate. Come on, think it over.

Hah. The things that have ****ed me over. Out of all the things that have. LSD has got to be the biggest. I have taken LSD, against my will actually, I was tricked into to doing by my 'friend' slipping it into my drink.

Yeah. The thing about hallucinogenic drugs are, that the whole trip is based on how you feel about taking it. My friend didn't tell me until after I had drank. The sudden I heard that, I felt scared. It kept getting worse, the scare would not leave me alone. Then. I felt happy. For about 10 minutes, then I started to walk home. And the streets turned colors. I ran home, ran into my room, and felt so depressed. I cried for 2 hours. Then after that, I felt so paranoid, and felt like my room was a safe-zone and didn't leave it for 10 hours.

Yeah, drugs like that can **** you up. Badly. Probably one of the reasons I don't trust anyone anymore, is because of that. Now. 1 out of 30 first time LSD users become mentally handi-capped and have surfacing problems of schizophrenia and other disorders. Now for me. What happened? Oh no biggie. I have PAD (Panic Anxiety Disorder), Paranoia, and maybe a slight schizophrenia problem. (Shizophrenia as in I'll actually see myself hitting a certain person, and I'll be wide awake at that moment.) Now. Schizophrenia, that is not something good. I would go into depth about how it isn't that great, but that's for later. As for anxiety, I know have fears of the future and have panic attacks. And for the paranoia, well, I know will never, ever drink an open drink. I never drink milk from a milk jug that's been opened. I rarely eat anything that isn't packaged, oh and did I already tell you? I don't trust anyone! Yup! Awesome, I know.

As for moderation. Moderation is **** when doing drugs like that. Doesn't matter how many times you've done it, you can have a bad trip and **** yourself over. Like that. Don't give me that bull**** "it's okay in moderation". Because, in all reality, it isn't.

As for flashbacks. Oh, those are really pleasent. Having one in the middle of school. Yeah, I've had them, where as I was walking down the hall, and the hall turns into the road changing colors. Or I feel un-safe about leaving my room. But, those stopped happening after a few weeks. But now, here is where the anxiety kicks in just perfectly. You can have a flashback at any time over the next 5 years after taking it just one time. As for me, it's only 5 months since I did it. So yup, I live in constant fear of having one.

Yup, drugs like that, damn, who doesn't want that kind of **** happening to them?

EDIT: Please understand, this is how I feel. So don't get mad about all the cussing and such. It's just that... I hate these drugs with a passion.

It is my opinion that anything a person freely chooses to do to him or herself, without the risk of harming others cannot be deemed morally wrong.

However, I think that in general it's a stupid thing to do, and I don't really condone it.

I am not going to get mad at anyone who disagrees with me unless the reasons behind the disagreement aren't substantial- gecko's was good.

as for starboys comment- Hallucinogenic drugs don't produce physical withdrawal symptoms. I do not condone the use of drugs like heroine, meth, and cocaine which can. In my head I have a good list/bad list type thing. Drugs like pot and shrooms fall under the good list whereas pretty much anything else falls under the bad list.

Hallucinogenics can be a very positive experience or a very negative experience- there's not really much in between. In my experiences they've let me grow creatively and (in a sense) spiritually.

These drugs can allow you to step back and view the world in a new light if you are open to them and PREPARED. One can gain a lot of intuitive insight if they use the drug the right way.

I don't in any way condone the ABUSE of any drug, hallucinogenic or not, because they will **** you up. But if used in an appropriate setting with all the proper safeguards such as a trip-sitter and a comfortable environment I see no problem with its use as a bi-monthly recreational drug.

Originally Posted by Trico

It is my opinion that anything a person freely chooses to do to him or herself, without the risk of harming others cannot be deemed morally wrong.

However, I think that in general it's a stupid thing to do, and I don't really condone it.

if I were to say, be sexually active and somehow picked up HIV< without infecting anyone, noone would be harmed but me. Yet my family would suffer from my plight. your definition is skewed.

as for this, drugs are bad, hallucigens are particularly bad.

Here's what I figure: if it makes you see things that aren't there, it's bad. If it makes you feel happy for no reason, it's bad. If it is illegal, its bad. I would say that even if they have no long term effects, it certianly isn't helping your body.

I'm sorry, but i'm against all drugs, other than the ones that make you better,
I mean think about it....Aren't some people crazed by drugs so much that they start commiting crimes and such?
I have never had any experiences with drugs, nor do i plan to, the only ones i put up with are the ones my Mom takes...But that's going elsewhere
Anyway...If these drugs make you see things that aren't there, are they really good? If they're illegal and you take them, who's gonna get the blame in the end?
I understand that we al have our opinions, this is just mine...

Originally Posted by Zedd

Here's what I figure:... If it is illegal, its bad.

Just because something is illegal doesn't make it bad- it makes it illegal. The only reason a lot of drugs are illegal is because of widespread abuse. there are positives and negatives to every drug- governments tend to focus on the negative.

Forgive me, I live in California.

the statement you made is just plain ignorant though.

How can YOU deem something "bad" if you've never done it yourself?

Originally Posted by Zelda Of Hyrule

I'm sorry, but i'm against all drugs, other than the ones that make you better

I'm against the drugs that the drug companies come up with- Why do such things like tylenol when you can cure a headache through a natural remedy such as putting pressure on your pressure points between your thumb and forefinger.

Originally Posted by Zelda Of Hyrule

I mean think about it....Aren't some people crazed by drugs so much that they start commiting crimes and such?

Usually people who aren't well off in the first place that get involved with drugs like CRACK end up stealing TVs and car stereos to buy more. I've never heard of someone on hallucinogenics that went crazy and stole ****. If people do become insane through the use of mind altering drugs it usually lands them in the looney bin, not jail.

Originally Posted by Zelda Of Hyrule

I have never had any experiences with drugs, nor do i plan to, the only ones i put up with are the ones my Mom takes...But that's going elsewhere

What, like Codine!? That's a LOT better than illegal drugs. (sarcasm)

Originally Posted by Zelda Of Hyrule

Anyway...If these drugs make you see things that aren't there, are they really good?

That's exactly what makes them good, yes.

Originally Posted by Zelda Of Hyrule

If they're illegal and you take them, who's gonna get the blame in the end?

Blame for what? I'm not gonna get caught doing it in the privacy of my own home.

Originally Posted by Zelda Of Hyrule

I understand that we al have our opinions, this is just mine...

I respect your opinion.

The furthest I have went is cannibus, which at the time and still is pretty funny. An interesting point abiout some natural drugs was brought to my attention latley.

If God created all living things for good ect then drugs which occur naturally must be good too. So by outlawing these drugs you are basicly implying that God is wrong and that he has made a mistake.

I agree with this but It wasn't me who said it.