Your Ideal World

Nesi asked me to make a thread with a serious dot. I have done so. I have sent her my bill and consultation fee.

So the question is actually something similar I asked Pietro in the Question Time thread: namely, if you could colonize another planet and create a new society, what would it look like? How large would your society be? What types of values, morals, and beliefs would you want to instill in your colonists? How would you govern (if at all) your colony? Feel free to make any factual assumptions (within reason) to flesh out your vision.

A quick word--this thread is not about debating belief systems, religion, political philosophy, or the efficacy of hotdog packaging. Don’t be a dick.

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We'd be, for all intents and purposes, an Anarchical society. If this is my ideal world then we should not have to worry about thieves and murderers, or people being lazy and not doing work because we'd all understand that we do things to benefit each other and not for profit.

We would be people who exercise personal freedoms as much as possible. Drugs and all sorts of things would be legal, so long as you don't harm other people, as these things are not inherently harmful.

Any crime that should arise would be dealt with via rehabilitation, not just being thrown into a prison.

Lots of weed smoking. Mandatory 2 joints a day, minimum, only exceptions are if someone is already chill or is allergic to it.

We'd be environmentally friendly.

Jim Morrison is God, Bob Marley is The Holy Spirit, and David Bowie is Jesus.

Gamzee made a similar thread to this several months ago, so I'll just post a revised version of what I said there:

Originally Posted by me

If I were in charge, I would establish one city, of 10,000 people, and let another 10,000 create their own settlements elsewhere.

The first city, despite having a small population, would be entirely urban. Every citizen would get their own home, initially a somewhat plain boxy house that could be expanded upon later. Each of the 10,000 people would have a job that they must work. Jobs would be determined by education and training, both of which would be free. There would be about 500 people involved in administration and maintenance and100 in education. These 600 people would include politicians, clerks, construction workers, and even crossing guards. Another 150 would be medical and therapeutic employees which would keep the city healthy and fit for work, as well as dispensing psychiatric help and therapy. Finally, 250 more would be involved in law enforcement and defense. These brave men and women would serve for two years at a time preventing crime, encouraging safety, and defending the settlement from any possible assaults by the indigenous extraterrestrial population.
The remaining 9,000 people (the ordinary citizens) would be able to do what they please. They could open shops, start businesses, be entertainers, or make their living in other ways. Farmers would certainly be needed to supply food, and lots of minerals would have to be extracted for building.

Legally, the city would be a socialist democracy. Taxes would be high, but not problematic. The government would ensure that all people live quite equally. There would certainly be free enterprise, but the power of corporations, if they would arise, would be checked by the government. Because all citizens would be skilled, they would be all required to once a year give a small presentation or instruction seminary to teach their skills to children and young adults. For a monetary allowance, they could give multiple courses throughout the year.

Outside of the city, life would be completely different. The only laws would be against basic crimes such as murder, grand theft, kidnapping, and other offenses. The original 10,000 nomadic settlers would be split up into twenty parties of one hundred, sixty parties of fifty, and one hundred parties of ten people. The remaining 4,000 settlers would be solitary explorers. These people would put down roots in a new world by setting up farming communities, mapping the world around them, researching and cataloging the alien life around them, and finding areas perfect for settlement in the future.

The first major city would be the capitol. If after five years it still stands, then several more ships would be requested, until there are ten or more cities on the planet, all of about 10,000 people. These cities could be private ventures or government projects (like the capitol), all culturally distinct. Maybe a colony could be set up for followers of one particular religion or philosophy. However, freedom of religion and speech, as well as many other human rights, would be always allowed, in any city. To ensure this, each city built after the capitol would be given a small allotment of soldiers and government agents, for defense, regulation, and safety.

There would be a government office in every town of more than one hundred people. Because fertility would be very strongly encouraged (most of the second-wave colonists would be families, young married couples, or people willing to donate sex cells), natural population increase would happen pretty quickly. If at year zero of colonization the population was 20,000, it would hopefully be 1,000,000 by year twenty of colonization.

If I could colonize another planet and create a new society, I wouldn't do it.

Humankind gets in the way of perfection; ghosts and the machinery of civilization.

In my opinion, the existence of life is a highly overrated phenomenon. Just look around you. Mars gets along perfectly well without so much as a microorganisms. Here, it's a constantly changing topographical map, flowing and shifting around the pole in ripples 10,000 years wide. So tell me, how could all of this be greatly improved by an oil pipeline? By a shopping mall?

They claim their labors are to build a heaven, yet their heaven is populated by horrors.

The world was better off before we started "improving" it. Any world capable of sustaining human life is better off without it.

Similar to Gamzee, I'd have an anarchistic society where everyone would understand that we all differently and we should respect our differences and live peacefully. We would do things to benefit each other without the need for currency.

We would have no need for prison. If anything, we'd have rehabilitation, like what Gamzee said.

We would do away with certain types of identity, especially racial identity. Instead of looking at other people as white, black, Asian, Mexican, etc., we would look at all of us as people on one planet, no matter our religion, ethnicity, or anything else. We would know better than to create stereotypes and prejudices.

People could express themselves however they want without the pressure to act "manly" or "feminine." While we would set the basic ways for men and women to dress, all of us would still know that people can look and express themselves however they want. And we could all act however we want without men trying to hold in their feelings or women being pressured into acting inferior.

Maybe I'm touching up on things I've already said around here, but whatever.

I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, but a lot of what people seem to think their world would be like is kind of contradictory... even far fetched.

People are saying they want anarchy, but you're also saying there are rules of conduct. You want rehabilitation centers- Who is in charge of them? How will you establish and enforce any of your ideals and standards if no one is allowed to be in charge?

I wouldn't say anything if there were not a pink dot of seriousness next to the thread title, but since there is, I feel like I might as well say this.

Originally Posted by Xosgni

I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, but a lot of what people seem to think their world would be like is kind of contradictory... even far fetched.

People are saying they want anarchy, but you're also saying there are rules of conduct. You want rehabilitation centers- Who is in charge of them? How will you establish and enforce any of your ideals and standards if no one is allowed to be in charge?

I wouldn't say anything if there were not a pink dot of seriousness next to the thread title, but since there is, I feel like I might as well say this.

Correction: I would have a government that would combine elements of socialism and capitalism, and we would make sure that corporations wouldn't get too big (however you may define "too big." And we'd have no corruption. Of course, actual governments have at least a little corruption, but this is our "ideal world" that we're talking about.

Damn. I guess I would have currency then.

I should rethink this.

Originally Posted by Xosgni

The world was better off before we started "improving" it. Any world capable of sustaining human life is better off without it.

Why do you believe this? A world without life can't really be harmed. Besides demolishing a planet to build an interstellar freeway, there aren't many ways we humans could make a dead planet worse.

Originally Posted by Xosgni

People are saying they want anarchy, but you're also saying there are rules of conduct. You want rehabilitation centers- Who is in charge of them? How will you establish and enforce any of your ideals and standards if no one is allowed to be in charge?

An ideal anarchical society would not be like what you see in a Batman movie where everyone is looting and killing each other. You don't seem to understand what anarchy truly is.

Guys,

A quick word--this thread is not about debating belief systems, religion, political philosophy, or the efficacy of hotdog packaging. Don’t be a dick.

Or else:

I'll give a new answer, but I won't answer anything above to avoid argument.

If I colonized a planet, it would only be with people who are perfect in every way. The rest would take care of itself. They'd figure out how to make it all work. Then I'd just step back and let them do their thing.

Quite honestly, I don't know. An ideal world for me, would probably end up very flawed. It would probably be a democracy like the USA.

Like most of you had said, my ideal colonized world would be anarchical so people can have the freedom to do as they wish.
However technically there wouldn't be any cities, towns or villages because after all what is a city without an authority? It's just a culmination of people living in the same area. And with anarchy, there would then be no economy. Everything would be set up on a barter system. If someone knows how to make shoes, he'll give you ten pairs inexchange for say his next meals.
I guess the only real thing close to any police force an anarchist world would have is vigilante justice. Groups of people, or one person, doing whatever they think is morally right.

Obviously, this would go to hell pretty quickly and some sort of government would have to be instilled to keep order among the people. But this is just me being realistic

Ideally, I would want a place where I could be pampered like a king and everyone could live happily and peacefully with no theft, no murder and, no religion or race to divide us. But that's just silly.

Everyone will have to wear a silly hat. That way people won't take themselves too seriously and ruin everyone else's day.

If everyone would do as I say, then we'd have no problems.

If everyone did as Christ taught, we would have a perfect world

We'd all be worshipping Aslan.




On a serious note, I don't have any particular idea in mind for a social structure, but ideally I'd want to live in a world without violence, illness, crime, poverty, prejudice, etc. I'd also want knowledge and critical thinking (and more importantly, a love of wisdom and learning) to be revered, rather than something to be regarded with suspicion.

Unfortunately, to achieve all of these at once would probably require a radical alteration of human nature itself. It's a pie-in-the-sky dream (at least for now) - but then, we are talking about an ideal world.