Bush or Kerry?

Originally Posted by zelink

Also, I did not mention you once Ogmios22188, I was refering to people in general, and i f I was trying to be LEET then I wouldn't be on a forrum for a game that some people consider childish(darn u windwaker...)

Ah, but even if you don't address me personally, you ARE addressing me if you're addressing people in general, seeing as how I'm a person. So, I feel obligated to defend myself.

there is a lot of propaganda out there, and the public can never be sure of what is true. so my vote is based on one thing

democrat- raises taxes, more government programs
republican-lowers taxes, less government programs

as a person who hate the government in general i have to vote republican. less governmet is a good. I don't think hand outs help anyone.

i am prepare to accept any and all critism

vote bush *****

Originally Posted by quietsoul

there is a lot of propaganda out there, and the public can never be sure of what is true. so my vote is based on one thing

democrat- raises taxes, more government programs
republican-lowers taxes, less government programs

as a person who hate the government in general i have to vote republican. less governmet is a good. I don't think hand outs help anyone.

i am prepare to accept any and all critism

vote bush *****

You are so right. It's unfair how lower-class people have to pay a lower % in taxes than upperclass ones. My parents probably have paid more taxes in their life than half of the people on this board combined.


also for those who asked where I got "The GDP is up"
Try consulting the first page of the OrangeCounty Register's Your Money section... "Fastest GDP growth in 20 years", "[b]Economy Finds its 'Sweet Spot' Midyear outlooks predict biggest expansion in teo decades" Also there is a chart that shows the growth of the GDP since '84 and during Clintons last year it actually went down.

Originally Posted by zelink

You are so right. It's unfair how lower-class people have to pay a lower % in taxes than upperclass ones. My parents probably have paid more taxes in their life than half of the people on this board combined.

You are so right. It's unfair how higher-class people have to pay more taxes than the lower-class ones, because with more money, why should they have more responsibility? They're the ones with the money - they should be allowed to spend it however they want, even if it means that others will suffer because of it. Who the heck cares about those that are less fortunate? Screw them. If they aren't rich, it's because they're lazy slobs that can't do their share of the work. No reason to help out those that aren't rolling in cash. Am I right?

Originally Posted by SearanoX

You are so right. It's unfair how higher-class people have to pay more taxes than the lower-class ones, because with more money, why should they have more responsibility? They're the ones with the money - they should be allowed to spend it however they want, even if it means that others will suffer because of it. Who the heck cares about those that are less fortunate? Screw them. If they aren't rich, it's because they're lazy slobs that can't do their share of the work. No reason to help out those that aren't rolling in cash. Am I right?

so right, my dad left when he was 18 with no money(or atleast he said) while his brother(my uncle) gota free college education. My dad saved, he has A LOT more than my uncle. In short, screw the less forunate.
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also I added to my post just as SearanoX posted.


also for those who asked where I got "The GDP is up"
Try consulting the first page of the OrangeCounty Register's Your Money section... "Fastest GDP growth in 20 years", "[b]Economy Finds its 'Sweet Spot' Midyear outlooks predict biggest expansion in teo decades" Also there is a chart that shows the growth of the GDP since '84 and during Clintons last year it actually went down.

Hey, my family's poor, but you could say were lower-middle class, seeing as we can still pay our bills. Not all poor people are slobs,some were rich but then lost it all, ever thought of that? Oh and if your saying all the Kerry ads are propaganda, what do you call the Bush ads,huh? Propaganda!
EDIT: And waht about our inflation huh? Notice NO presidnet is doing anything about it and Bush has only just lowered it.

Originally Posted by big_al

Hey, my family's poor, but you could say were lower-middle class, seeing as we can still pay our bills. Not all poor people are slobs,some were rich but then lost it all, ever thought of that? Oh and if your saying all the Kerry ads are propaganda, what do you call the Bush ads,huh? Propaganda!
EDIT: And waht about our inflation huh? Notice NO presidnet is doing anything about it and Bush has only just lowered it.

i said there is propaganda. i did not say the kerry adds were. i think both ads are propaganda. not to mention fox news and fahrenheit 911.

i vote on taxes. oh and i was poor for a long time, but i worked and now i am upper middle class.

Kerry, definatly. Bush has caused like 75% or more of the world to hate us. He has also just sent 2000 retired troops to Iraq. The next step after that is a draft.

Originally Posted by Fierce Deity

Kerry, definatly. Bush has caused like 75% or more of the world to hate us. He has also just sent 2000 retired troops to Iraq. The next step after that is a draft.

wow!!! we went from 90% of thje world hating us, 3percent disliking us, 2% not caring, and 2% liking us to:



95%not liking us, 2% disliking us 1% not caring, and 2% liking us.
I totally see a huge change(NOT)

and the last time there was a draft, your parents weren't born(and in some cases grandparents) I highly doubt there will be a draft.2000 is like .000001% percent of the population

Originally Posted by zelink

wow!!! we went from 90% of thje world hating us, 3percent disliking us, 2% not caring, and 2% liking us to:



95%not liking us, 2% disliking us 1% not caring, and 2% liking us.
I totally see a huge change(NOT)

and the last time there was a draft, your parents weren't born(and in some cases grandparents) I highly doubt there will be a draft.2000 is like .000001% percent of the population

Wow, I'm sorry man, but you're sounding more and more like an idiot with each consecutive post. I'm going to argue with you piece by piece.

On the issue of the poor, they should be able to pay a lower percentage of taxes. Social mobility is hard to achieve if all of your capital is being shipped away to the government. As it stands right now, the poor pay a low percentage of taxes because they don't have a high enough income, and the rich pay a low percentage of taxes because the government wants them to have more money to pump into the economy. The middle class pay the highest percentage of taxes. If we really wanted to make things fair, we should make all classes pay the same percentage of taxes.

As it stood at the turn of the century, most of the world liked us. All of Western Europe liked us, most of Eastern Europe liked us, we were making progress in Africa, and we had a good relationship with most Asian countries. Now, with the exception of the United Kingdom, Poland, and a hodge-podge of other European nations, most of the world isn't too crazy about us. Our allies France, Germany, and (so-so) Russia are pretty peeved, our neighbors to the north and south are angry with us, and most, if not all, of the Middle East is very upset. From my point of view, as an American, before this war the world thought we were all right. Then, Bush made it known that he had the intent to go to war. Thousands upon thousands of people, from our nation and abroad, protested and pleaded so that we wouldn't go, that we would find another way. But no, we went to war. Now we're seen as a bully and we let a very large amount of people down. Not to mention that thousands of people have died as a result. Only time will tell if it was all worth it, and I don't think it's very wise to be too supporting of the war or too against it, because we don't know the effect it will have just yet.

Your idea of the draft is completely wrong. The last draft was during the Vietnam War. Most, if not all, of our parents were alive in the 1960s and 1970s, which was when American involvement in this war took place. My uncle was drafted, as were many of my first cousins-once-removed. Luckily, all of them survived; however, 58,000 other Americans didn't. Surely you've heard of that big black granite wall memorial they have in Washington, D.C.? Or are you so conservative that you won't even acknowledge that this war actually happened?

Originally Posted by zelink

and the last time there was a draft, your parents weren't born(and in some cases grandparents) I highly doubt there will be a draft.2000 is like .000001% percent of the population

You have no clue what your talking about. All of my older relatives were alive during the Vietnam War. And, you may thing those 2000 troops are nothing but they were retired troops.

There is going to be a draft. Pw3nd

Originally Posted by Tigerboi

There is going to be a draft. Pw3nd

Let's hope not.

Originally Posted by Ogmios22188

Let's hope not.

There isn't going to be one anytime soon.

I wouldn't completely throw the possibility out though, judging from Rumsfeld's words on the war:

It is pretty clear that the coalition can win in Afghanistan and Iraq in one way or another, but it will be a long, hard slog.

Wasn't this just a thread to see who you would vote for if your of age? :/

Originally Posted by Fierce Deity

You have no clue what your talking about. All of my older relatives were alive during the Vietnam War. And, you may thing those 2000 troops are nothing but they were retired troops.

i forgot about the vietnam and korean wars. I should have remembered because my grandfaqther served in the korean. and WWII. well there hasn't been a huge major draft sine WWII

Originally Posted by zelink

well there hasn't been a huge major draft sine WWII

vietnam? you know, when all the hippies ran to canada to avoid the draft?

Originally Posted by zelink

i forgot about the vietnam and korean wars. I should have remembered because my grandfaqther served in the korean. and WWII. well there hasn't been a huge major draft sine WWII

What...? Vietnam was after WWII... and that was a "huge major draft," as you redundantly stated. Oh, and I'm not sure about this, but there wasn't a draft in the Korean War, was there?

Originally Posted by RogueRed2

There isn't going to be one anytime soon.

I wouldn't doubt the possibility of a draft even as close to 2 years from now.

Originally Posted by Fierce Deity

I wouldn't doubt the possibility of a draft even as close to 2 years from now.

Knowing my luck, lol, probably would because thats about when I turn 18............wouldnt matter though, I most likelt will enlist in the Coast Guard like my dad, he did about 23 years and retired as a Cheif Petty Officer at an E7..........wow, off topic, lol, im not sure who I would vote for at the moment, most likely Bush.....im not a fan of Kerry.