Twilight Princess is harder than OoT.

THIS THREAD MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR OoT AND TP.




First off, this thread is mainly towards you people who say that Twilight Princess was very easy, and then thats it. You just say its easy, and don't elaborate on why it was easy. So why? Why was it. You won't answer, 'cause it wasn't easy. In fact, I actually believe for that parts of the game it was harder than OoT, and in fact it is harder. I'm going to go through some parts of the game, and explain why they're not easy, and mostly comparing to OoT, which you think is like way harder than TP and its not. It may have been harder at the time, but its not now. TP is harder.

Lets start with getting your weapons. In OoT, you have to find a whole, go through it, run from a boulder, and get it. Then, just buy a shield. In Twilight Princess (I haven't played either in a while), you have to be in wolf form. You have to sneak up, past a guy, who, if he sees you will call an owl/hawk to kill you. So, you have to basically scare him away. Jump down, climb a water wheel, jump in a house, knock the shield off the wall, and then you have it. Harder than buying it? Yes. Now for the sword, this is easier, just not easier than OoT. You have to sneak past two guys with swords, dig under the house, walk in and take it. Then find a way out. Yes, Harder than OoT.

Okay, now the first temple. In OoT, the Deku Tree, you basically go in the right direction no matter what. Sure, there are a couple puzzles, but none that are really hard. Just using common sense. The boss, well, from what I've heard, you can kill it with a deku stick. 'nuff said. In TP, the forest temple, you have a couple directions you can start from. Either way, you'll end up right, but thats what its like in every Zelda game. And, if your not paying attention, you'll have giant spiders raining from the ceiling, scaring the crap outa you. In OoT I don't think there is a mini-boss. You just, find the item of the dungeon, in a chest, in a room with a simple puzzle. In TP, there is a mini-boss and at first, I bet you guys didn't know what to do. It took a minute, but after you figured it out, you still had to pay attention to where the monkey was at. Then, after you got the Gale Boomerang from him, you had to use it to escape. Then, you follow some monkeys, getting to the boss. Boss time. You can't beat this boss with a deku stick. In fact, you can't beat him just with a sword. You have to use the help of that monkey you hurt earlier (he's good now), who gives you bombs, which you have to aim to throw at the boss. Which, also, breathes poisonous gas at you. Then, you beat him with your sword. Of course, you have to repeat so many times, but eventually, you kill him. Yes, TP's first temple was harder than OoT's.

Now, lets go to the second temple. They too, have something similar. Fire. I don't remember OoT's as well as TP's. I don't remember much of either of these temples, only because I haven't played them in a while. But, I do remember TP having a longer temple, and some puzzles that had me going in circles. I mean, I'm sure we all got confused and lost on our first time on the ceiling, that was harder than walking on the ground, and jumping from platform to platform. I'm just going to talk about the bosses, since I remember them, more than I remember the actual temple. In OoT, you fall down onto a circle of land, and a lava pool in the middle. Then you look over and see a giant lizard. Oh wow, I wonder how to kill him, as he keeps opening up his mouth and breathing in, and I also got bombs recently. Hmm. *sarcasm* so you throw a bomb in his mouth, slash him with your sword, repeat. In TP, you walk into a sealed chamber, to find a giant goron, chained by his feet, and hands, too prevent him from doing damage. Well, he then rips those chains outa the walls, spots you and runs to you. It took me a while to figure out how to do damage to him. I got the shooting him in the head, where that jewel was, part, but other than that, I was more worried about running away, and dodging his attacks. But, then I did remember the chains, and I realized that they had handles (weird, but okay), and so I grabbed them, and pulled back. Didn't work, so I ran back, shot him again, and tried it again, but this time I put my Iron Boots on, remembering that they are heavy. That did the trick. So, you do that a couple times, and you win. Is TP still easier than OoT? I don't think so.

Now, the third temple. They are both water. Although, technically, it is a whale's belly, but it is still considered a temple. These two came close. But, TP was still harder. In OoT, you have to get into the whales belly first, but its not that difficult, I mean, get him to open his mouth. How do people get us to open our mouths? Food, duh. So, you give him a fish and walk in. I must admit, I did get lost a couple of times in here, do to the multiple holes. The enemys were harder here, do to the fact you couldn't hurt some of them. But, the once you got to the boss, it was easy. Once you find how to kill him, its a simple math of dodging his attacks, and then continuing hitting him with the boomerang, and then slashing with your sword. In TP, getting to the temple is harder. First off, you have to re-fill lake hylia (Something totally different), then, find water bombs, blow up a rock and then time it right, so the bomb will explode at the right time, as it rides up the air vent. Then, as you enter the temple, you really have nothing to do. Except, follow the passageways. Then, after a while of figuring out where to go, you have to raise and lower the water levels/move the stairs so you can go to certain areas, mainly to get the item of the temple, the Clawshot, and to the boss. After a while of doing that, you get to the boss, by dropping down a dark hole. This boss killed me once, it was actually very hard for me at first. You have to be able to keep the iron boots on, to clawshot the globe-thing floating around in its tentacles, and, at the same time, dodge the other tentacles attacking you. Remember though, you have iron boots on, hampering your movement. So, you have to take them off to get away, as you do that, the globe moves to the other side of the creature. Oh wait! After you hit this globe a couple more times, the boss is not done! It comes up from the ground and circles around, you having to dodge giant pillars of stone coming in almost all directions. Then, you again, use your clawshot to grab on to him, and climb up to his head, and stab him in his giant eye. Repeat. Which was harder? Definitely TP.

Okay, I've said enough about temples, as they now go off on there own paths, not really being able to compare with each other. So, now I will explain how TP is harder in other, extra aspects of the game.

Golden Skullatas vs. TP Golden Bugs
In TP, you have to find glowing golden bugs, all around the world map. They're not just on one field, they're in all different areas. Sometimes, they're hard to spot, especially if its daytime. They make a sound, but, even if you hear it, its still sometimes hard to spot them, even if your told where there at. Golden Skullatas are also everywhere, but, they are very big and noisy, not to mention, easy to spot. Okay, lets compare. Big Golden Spider that makes a loud sound vs. a Small Golden bug, that makes a quieter sound, and depending where your standing, it'll get louder or quieter, possibly changing where you think it is. TP is harder here.


OoT poes vs. TP poes
In OoT, I have never attempted to catch a poe, as it wasn't much fun. But, I have seen them. You can basically only catch them on Hyrule Field. Not very hard if your just going to catch them. In TP, they're all over the place. You have to complete lantern caves, and ALSO beat the extra dungeon with darknuts in it (can't remember the name of it, sorry.) So, which is harder? Staying in one place, or adventuring out, seeking them. Also, you have to be in wolf form, using wolf sense in order to even kill them! Which is easier than just being able to kill them in your regular form.

I can go on and on, but, this is enough, I'm atleast getting my point across to you guys. I DO NOT Want OoT fanboys to come in here and flame me because they can't admit the fact that TP is harder than OoT. Also, this thread is ONLY for difficulty level NOT Character development/story development or any of the sort. This is difficulty level only. If you think that OoT was harder than TP, then, please, explain. And I want good opinions, like I said, no fanboys who will just flame me.

So, my whole point is. I believe, Twilight Princess was harder than Ocarina of Time.

I thought it was too.
I agree with 100% of what you just said.

^Second that^

I belive that some percent execpt i think that the spirit temple in oot and the forrest temple with those stupid poes was harder, but the ganon battle in tp was way harder than in oot probably the hardest final boss battle i ever fought cus i still have not beaten him.

Poes in the forest temple? Those were easy.
All you have to do is Z-target them and wait with your arrows and when they appear shoot them, and repeat.

And also, TP was longer in it's adventure than OoT, so it also might seem that it was harder and the world was bigger, meaning that there were more secrets to look out for.

Longer adventure depends on how you look at it.
OoT: 3 Dungeons (Jewels), 5 Temples (Medallions), Ganon's Castle
TP: 3 Dungeons (fused Shadow), 3 Dungeons (Mirror), Twilight, Ganon's Castle.
Altogether, 8.
TP, you have to melt ice, build a cannons, find owls to get to the dungeons.
OoT, you have to get through Gerudo's hideout, find a message in a bottle, and actually have to find the sword on your own.
There it's still the same, 3.
So the quests are the same length too.

When you look at it like that, the adventure isn't longer either. It's simply harder.

You know, its kind of funny. I post this thread, and everyone ignores it. I say that TP is harder than OoT in another thread, and they flilp out on me, I guess they completely ignored this.

Another thing. Most people started with OoT when they were younger, when you were younger, games were harder, now, games are easier, 'cause your older. This is just making me even angrier, only because people will not listen.

You guys say TP is easy, and OoT is hard countless times, not backing it up once.

The bosses and enemies are harder: it takes more hits, they take less damage, its harder to figure out how to kill them whereas in TP it becomes blatantly obvious how to kill the enemies early on. Plus, the TP controllers do make it easier to attack the enemies. It's really hard to get good combos on a GC controller or even a N64 controller. The Wii controls practically candy coated that.

The puzzles: are much more confusing and less obvious to figure out. They are a lot longer and more in depth. I mean, how long did it take you to beat the Spirit Temple and the Water Temple? The fact that a master quest was even made proves that the game was hard enough, they just decided to take it a step further.

Now, in your first post, the reasons you say TP is harder because of the amount of effort it takes to do some things. Like the bugs vs. skullatas. OOT yeah, you didn't have to go looking for them, and in TP they were spread out. Sure, that particular part of the games comparisons might show a bit more difficulty in TP.

In OoT, I have never attempted to catch a poe, as it wasn't much fun. But, I have seen them. You can basically only catch them on Hyrule Field. Not very hard if your just going to catch them. In TP, they're all over the place. You have to complete lantern caves, and ALSO beat the extra dungeon with darknuts in it (can't remember the name of it, sorry.) So, which is harder? Staying in one place, or adventuring out, seeking them. Also, you have to be in wolf form, using wolf sense in order to even kill them! Which is easier than just being able to kill them in your regular form.

This made me laugh. You think just because you have to change into a wolf and use your senses it makes it harder? That sounds like a load of Baaaaaawwwwww to me. Plus, you admitted you haven't even caught a poe in OOT, which can be very difficult mind you, so you have no logical grounds or proof to use this as an excuse that TP is harder.

Originally Posted by sugarpoultry

The bosses and enemies are harder: it takes more hits, they take less damage, its harder to figure out how to kill them whereas in TP it becomes blatantly obvious how to kill the enemies early on. Plus, the TP controllers do make it easier to attack the enemies. It's really hard to get good combos on a GC controller or even a N64 controller. The Wii controls practically candy coated that.

The puzzles: are much more confusing and less obvious to figure out. They are a lot longer and more in depth. I mean, how long did it take you to beat the Spirit Temple and the Water Temple? The fact that a master quest was even made proves that the game was hard enough, they just decided to take it a step further.

Yes, the enemies are harder. I agree 100%. Not the bosses. Which sounds harder, to you? A giant lizard, you throw bombs at. Or, a giant goron, you shoot with an arrow, trip down, and beat with your sword?

Originally Posted by xBenx

Yes, the enemies are harder. I agree 100%. Not the bosses. Which sounds harder, to you? A giant lizard, you throw bombs at. Or, a giant goron, you shoot with an arrow, trip down, and beat with your sword?

Yeah, but how long did it take you to figure out that bombs were what you need to do to kill him? Also, it takes longer to kill the lizard and its harder because the amount of damage he gives you far out ways the amount of damage you give him. In OOT, all of the bosses are like this.

In TP, its about even. He hits you, it causes the same amount of damage as your hits do.

The reason why OOT bosses are harder is because you have the risk of dying a lot quicker than they do.

Originally Posted by sugarpoultry

Yeah, but how long did it take you to figure out that bombs were what you need to do to kill him? Also, it takes longer to kill the lizard and its harder because the amount of damage he gives you far out ways the amount of damage you give him. In OOT, all of the bosses are like this.

In TP, its about even. He hits you, it causes the same amount of damage as your hits do.

The reason why OOT bosses are harder is because you have the risk of dying a lot quicker than they do.

Thats it! My point exactly! It was easy to figure out what to do to kill him.

I found that it was equal. The time it took me to kill Dodongo and the time it took me to kill the goron, were equal. Not exactly, but almost.

The difficulty level of the bosses: Its not that hard to dodge a giant, rolling lizard, just move out of the way? Whereas, in a cramped space, with no where to run, and a giant, flaming goron, coming after you. I think the goron is harder.

EDIT: You guys are going to win this fight. Its 4 on 1. I have no one backing me up. I still stand strong in my beliefs though.

Originally Posted by sugarpoultry

Yeah, but how long did it take you to figure out that bombs were what you need to do to kill him? Also, it takes longer to kill the lizard and its harder because the amount of damage he gives you far out ways the amount of damage you give him. In OOT, all of the bosses are like this.

In TP, its about even. He hits you, it causes the same amount of damage as your hits do.

The reason why OOT bosses are harder is because you have the risk of dying a lot quicker than they do.

Yes, I can't tell you how many times Barinade killed me. Seriously.

And xBenx, just because some of the things in Twilight Princess have more steps, doesn't make them harder. There are more steps to beating Ganondorf in Twilight Princess, because there are several phases to the fight with him, but all these steps are very easy in comparison to the fight in Ocarina of Time.

Twilight Princess has better controls than Ocarina of Time, which takes away the frustration and thus makes it easier. This, coupled with all the sword moves you get, gives you an unfair advantage over all of the enemies. A way to add difficulty would be to make Twilight Princess' sword techniques use magic power. That way you couldn't just use them whenever you want.

Hmm...

I think that Ocarina of Time is easier in the beginning. It was the first 3d zelda game, so maybe they softened it up at the start so we could get used to it, but it seems to get harder, faster.

The bosses in TP never really gave me much trouble. In OoT I often die during boss battles. The final boss in OoT is mucher harder to take down. In TP the final form of Ganondorf was just like fighting a Stalfos from OoT (to me at least).

I may be biased on this, because OoT was my first Zelda game. However, the time in between when I played OoT and TP was only a year or two so I hadn't changed much, wisdom wise.