Twilight Princess Beta Question

Hi, new to this cool site after playing the GameCube version of Twilight Princess again after about a year and renewing my interest in Zelda games in general. I just watched a trailer on YouTube of the first showing of TP, with the "Blades will Bleed" line, and I noticed a few things that look a lot different than what I witnessed in-game.

What happened to the forest full of trees and the large dead trees in Hyrule field? Also the scene with Link carrying a cat, I don't remember doing that. And I'm pretty sure that giant Gohma/One-Eyed Spider never appears. A few locations just looked different and I am wondering if anyone here has any knowledge of TP Beta (as well as WW, OOT, etc)?

(I remember seeing screenshots in Nintendo Power of Wind Waker before it was released and Link appeared to have weird, cat-like eyes, but they look black with a green tint in the version I bought).

I understand games can change from start to finish, but it appears as though quite a bit was left out or changed in TP. Was this a result of the game's transition to Wii? Did the developers and/or producers have to cut out some things in order to make the Wii launch date?

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated! If someone has already created a thread about this, please point me in the right direction! Thanks guys, and keep up the great site!

Well they cut two whole dungeons out of Wind Waker to meet the deadline. It's probably the same.

Originally Posted by trajen

Hi, new to this cool site

Welcome!

Originally Posted by trajen

What happened to the forest full of trees and the large dead trees in Hyrule field?

The "open" forest with a bunch of trees was early beta content. Nintendo's forests seem to start out that way and then become the "walled-in" forests that are present in all the 3D Zeldas. In beta Ocarina of Time, the forests were also open, similarly to those in beta Twilight Princess.

Check out this link and you'll see a lot of similarities between OoT and TP in terms of how beta content evolves into a final product
http://www.unseen64.net/2008/04/04/z...mo-proto-beta/

Originally Posted by trajen

Also the scene with Link carrying a cat, I don't remember doing that.

Yeah, it was probably just a test scenario that they removed from the final game. In the early stages of game development, devs sometimes make test courses/stages and try out different things.

Originally Posted by trajen

And I'm pretty sure that giant Gohma/One-Eyed Spider never appears.

I basically bought a GameCube for TP based on that footage alone. My guess is that the devs wanted the Gohma boss to be like that at first but couldn't pull off the boss battle somehow. I'm sure they have a good reason for not including it.

Originally Posted by trajen

I understand games can change from start to finish, but it appears as though quite a bit was left out or changed in TP. Was this a result of the game's transition to Wii? Did the developers and/or producers have to cut out some things in order to make the Wii launch date?

Absolutely not. The decision of porting it to Wii came in 2005 or later and at that point, they had already shown videos of Ordon Village and the first horseback battle. They looked almost exactly as they do in the final game, so that means that a lot of content was final already.

They did say that they needed more development time to finish the game (thus the delay) and then Satoru Iwata took the opportunity to push the game for Wii too, to make it a launch title. I don't think the changes themselves came from the transition to Wii.

Thanks for the welcome! I really like this site.

Also, thanks for all your answers to my questions; however, I'm sure no one except those at Nintendo know the real reasons certain things were changed or deleted. But it is an interesting exercise to assume isn't it! Thanks for the site link, VERY interesting!

lol at the site,god those pics look ugly,nothing like oot

Originally Posted by X_nikhil4519_X

lol at the site,god those pics look ugly,nothing like oot

Haha! I'm glad with what we ended up getting in OOT, although I do prefer the beta forest in Twilight Princess to what is in the final version!

You can carry cats in TP, either that or I had some odd hallucinations.

The rest is typical beta removal stuff, but Armagohma does appear in game.

Originally Posted by Raven Satori

You can carry cats in TP, either that or I had some odd hallucinations.

The rest is typical beta removal stuff, but Armagohma does appear in game.

How do I carry them? Or do you have anymore of what made you hallucinate?

I just remember walking up to one and having an option to pick it up.

I remember doing it in Ordon and Hyrule Castle Town.

I always thought they scraped the origenal and started over.

You can carry dogs, not cats.

They didn't cut anything short. It was completed for GCN, then they decided to hold that back and work on the Wii version.

Originally Posted by Valor

wait so whats your question=D?

If anyone had any knowledge of TP Beta, read the first post

There are dogs in this game?

Originally Posted by Raven Satori

There are dogs in this game?

I only know of the one in Ordon Village. He lives with the family in the windmill house. You can talk to him when you are in wolf form, and you can enter the house and pick him up when you are in human/hylian form.

I remember a dog now in Hyrule Town, where you can throw a bone.

Originally Posted by Raven Satori

I remember a dog now in Hyrule Town, where you can throw a bone.

Oh I don't remember that. I just started replaying, I just completed the Forest Temple. I'll have to look for that dog.

by the doctor's office in Castle Town.

Originally Posted by Raven Satori

by the doctor's office in Castle Town.

Cool thanks! So what's this about 2 dungeons getting removed from Wind Waker? That would've been epic! Do you know anything about that?

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