TP Underrated -A rant

This is so funny. Every one who hates this game is just searching for reasons to hate it so they have something to complain about

Thats completely untrue. There are actually valid reasons for disliking the game.

I however enjoy Twilight Princess.

Mix OoT with Okami and get TP.


I am contradicting my own argument

You forgot the reasons:

1. Terrible, non-innovative dungeons using ages-old puzzles
2. Linear, straightforward gameplay
3. Almost zero character development, save for Midna
4. Almost no sidequests, which takes away from the replayability of the game

And humourously enough, Majora's Mask seems to be the exact opposite of this.

Originally Posted by The True Hero

This is so funny. Every one who hates this game is just searching for reasons to hate it so they have something to complain about, maybe you made it out for something completly different, not nintendo.

Oh, wow, butthurt fanboy.

I've been a Zelda fan for over 10 years, so I know what I'm talking about. I've also completed every Zelda game, too. And I didn't like Twilight Princess much. I'm entitled to my opinion, and I'm not wrong for thinking so. Don't get me wrong, Twilight Princess was a brilliant game by normal standards - but Zelda's standards? It was just OK. It was very linear. I liked the storyline to some extent, and the Midna character was a good edition. It just didn't feel like I was playing a Zelda game. Just because it has Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf doesn't make it an epic Zelda game. People are entitled to love TP too - I would never argue with them to think different. Everyone has different tastes. To me this was a very traditional Zelda, and while it was great once, in Ocarina of Time, to try and replicate that kind of thing again isn't going to happen. I like the quirky parts about Zelda - the innovation, and the unexpected. Much like we saw in Majora's Mask, and much like the controversy surrounding Wind Waker's graphics. It needed something new for me to like it, and it wasn't vastly different, so it didn't appeal as much as it could. It's a great game, but not the greatest Zelda game, in my opinion.

I remember roaming this site before the release of TP. Everyone as so exited that we get to revisit lands and old races. What happened to that?

Originally Posted by Gudder Snype

I remember roaming this site before the release of TP. Everyone as so exited that we get to revisit lands and old races. What happened to that?

Yes, we had that, and it was great, but simply having old features like that doesn't make the game. They can't just sling in a load of characters people loved and expect it to be fine - obviously, there has to be more than that. I'm not saying there was or there wasn't, just saying that's the simple fact of the matter.

But TP had:

New combat moves
Wolf form
Snowboarding
'Twilight' Dungeon
Midna
Wii Remote Interactivity
'Sky' Dungeon
Dominion Rod
Ball and Chain
Horseback combat
Mid-air combat
Taunts
5 heart pieces
Deeper Storyline than any other Zelda

I can keep giong on like this.

My fundamental problem with TP is that it was produced simply to satisfy those fans who wanted OoT2 and hated WW. So while I drooled all over the first trailers, and the game itself, it wasn't what I really wanted and clearly it's not what Nintendo (Well, Aonuma) wanted either. They want to try new things.

So naturally, I get a little upset with people that wanted a realistic looking Zelda game, similar to OoT, with similar story and similar everything and still ended up hating TP. That shows that you just can't please those people. I suppose those are the people that get carried away with wild speculations and have way too high expectations. I remember when we first got to see the overworld map in a video and someone grabbed a screenshot of it. People believed that the entire Hyrule Field map represented a tiny fraction of the "real" Hyrule Field. They set themselves up for disappointment.

Well, when I finally got my hands on TP, I knew what to expect. There was no point anymore in getting upset for Nintendo not doing their own thing and instead delivering fanservice. I just sat down and began to enjoy the game.. it is after all a Zelda game. I expected a grand adventure in Hyrule with tons of cool dungeons, excellent music, OK story, general Zelda stuff/icons/music all over the place and great atmosphere/graphics. Sure, it really felt like OoT at times - especially when exploring the dungeons - but I'm ok with it, because I do love OoT.

What I'm trying to say is that Nintendo did a no-no when listening to the crying babies (I mean fans) that hated WW and went with making an OoT clone. But now that we got TP, I can honestly say that is a fine Zelda game. In my opinion, it is one of the best Zelda games. The problem I have with TP is that, while it's a great game, they can't continue making Zelda games like this. It's getting old and stale and the formula must change.

I can keep giong on like this.

Any game has its unique features. And besides, Wolf form is nothing to compared Zora, Deku, Goron, Giant, Oni, form. But I understand the point of your post. Twilight Princess did add a good amount of Gravy to the Zelda roast.

Originally Posted by Raven Satori

uh we have a free roaming overworld in TP.... maybe you define things in a different perhaps erroneous manner?
and you mean segmented how? are you forgetting this is a Zelda game?
Zelda games have stories, letting people do whatever they want from the very start does not make for an easily cohesive storyline.

In no way is it free-roaming. At the start, you only have one section of Hyrule to explore. Problem is, it's extremely empty. There is almost nothing to do. Just grass and moblins. This sort of forces you to stay on the main storyline.

Another ridiculous mistake was the fact that I had to 'unlock' the empty grasslands of Hyrule by completing some dungeons. This made the game even more linear.

And when you finally 'unlock' all of Hyrule, you realize that's it's a big, empty, almost lifeless world contaminated by easy to defeat and predictable moblins. Nothing more.

Oh, and have you played Oblivion? It's much more free-roaming than TP, yet it's story is still cohesive.

no clue how you got underdeveloped from the characters either,
TP's story and the main characters within it were given way more substantial development in comparison to previous games, and it's the first Zelda to actually have some emotional poignance to it.

Yes, the main characters developed. But everyone one else in the towns and such remained stagnant throughout the entire game. Hyrule was lifeless. The towns were lifeless. The whole world was less believable because of that.

And the game focused too much on the main plot. It's like they threw exploration out the window; the element of a Zelda game that is most important, and the element that started the franchise.

I did not feel emotion for any of the characters, to tell you the truth. After the third or fourth dungeon, it all fell apart.

the AI? seriously? what are people thinking honestly? comparing to? expecting?
vagueness is nothing but a cop out.

All Zelda games have pretty bad AI.

Fighting Darknuts in TP is the best combat you will see in the Zelda series to date, period. It's by no means bad either, it's neither a cakewalk nor a controller throwing frustration fest. It's fun, as games are meant to be.

It's a Zelda game, and the gameplay hasn't evolved as much as I hoped it would. It's still identical to OoT's. You'd think they would've made more improvements.

sure is easy to complain about things when you don't go into detail though, right?

Maybe, if you'd elaborate a little more on your views, I'd respect them.

My biggest issue with TP is that Puppet Zelda had Ganondorf's voice. It was just weird.

Oh, and dying took about half an hour if you stood entirely still among three enemies. Invincibility ftl.

Other than that, I was perfectly fine with the game. Here I am, have just defeated Zant and wait to see what happens, and then - nothing. I mean, for me it was a somewhat surprising strike in my direction. And then I learn; it's not over! And... Zant dies? Aww. He should have kept his mask on, poor fella. And perhaps died in a less... bizarre way.

So I go to Hyrule Castle. I fight countless foes. I go to top. I encounter Ganondorf. It all seems kinda familiar, especially since Zelda is hanging right above him... hmm... anyways, so he flashes his Triforce mark and brags a little about it. I swear I've seen that too. And then, instead of stepping down and fight against us like I would expect by that point, he... turns around and enters Zelda's body?

And then we get to my biggest issue again. The hell did Zelda eat? She sounds like she has a friggin' cactus in her throat. Not only takes it away from the experience that Nintendo hoped that they would achieve with this move, but it prompts me to beat the crap out of the sonuvabish before she makes another noise.

From there on, nice last battle

Off Topic: I think the OP opened a seriously bad can of worms with this subject.

On Topic-ish: I liked TP, but saying I loved it as much as Majoras Mask or Ocarina of Time would be a lie, I do however, think the next Zelda will be a the masterpiece that most of us want, (I say most of us because the Zelda crowd are like that in-law you hate, scrutinizing and anal). I think Nintendo are stepping up with their main franchises, Metroid Prime 3 was one of last years best fps', even if it was underrated, and Mario Galaxy was a classic, even if some fanboys try to hate. In short, I think Nintendo knows that their biggest form of income franchise-wise is the Zelda franchise, and not showing some evident improvement could be fatal for their hardcore fanbase.

You know what? I wish I'd been the first person to reply to this thread, because I absolutely love and adore Twilight Princess! I agree that it's very underrated and it's sad to see folks who claim to be Zelda fans being so critical of the game. Of course' the same thing applies to The Wind Waker as well.

Seriously though, I think that Twilight Princess is a masterpiece and as a "true" Zelda fan, it was like an answered prayer for me! Sure, every game has room for improvement and little quirks and Twilight Princess is no exception to this. For the most part, it's fairly spot on and has nearly everything a Zelda fan could possibly want. Anyway, I think it's a wonderful game!

Oh' by the way, people have no excuse to say that Zelda games aren't challenging enough. If it's to easy for you, then simply do a 3 heart challenge with no bottled goods and only allow the original equipment that's needed to complete the game.

Originally Posted by Gudder Snype

But TP had:

New combat moves
Wolf form
Snowboarding
'Twilight' Dungeon
Midna
Wii Remote Interactivity
'Sky' Dungeon
Dominion Rod
[Ball and Chain
Horseback combat
Mid-air combat
Taunts
5 heart pieces
Deeper Storyline than any other Zelda

I can keep giong on like this.

I give TP credit for those things. 'Deeper story than any other Zelda' is really stretching it, and besides that's a matter of opinion though. But even with all those new things, in my opinion, it just wasn't as good to play as the others. Even though seperatly, these are pretty cool things, as a whole, they didn't make TP the most awesome game on the planet. Nothing is perfect, and anyone who claims Twilight Princess is perfect must be blinded by some kind of fan bummer ray.

Originally Posted by Darknuts

You know what? I wish I'd been the first person to reply to this thread, because I absolutely love and adore Twilight Princess! I agree that it's very underrated and it's sad to see folks who claim to be Zelda fans being so critical of the game. Of course' the same thing applies to The Wind Waker as well.

You could also switch it round, and say that it is sad that people who claim to be Zelda fans cannot see the faults in their favourite game. It's all down to a matter of taste. Nobody is right or wrong here, and nobody is less of a fan for not jumping on the 'TP is amazing' bandwagon. It's good that fans know enough about the game to be critical, and its also good that a lot of the fans are pleased by Twilight Princess. In any case, those who enjoyed this game are satisfied, and those who didn't so much can see what the next Zelda game has to bring.

Seriously though, I think that Twilight Princess is a masterpiece and as a "true" Zelda fan

Just because a person didn't like Twilight Princess as much, doesn't mean they are not a 'true' fan. Everyone, like I said, has different tastes. Some people will dislike WW, that doesn't mean they are not a true fan, equally, some people didn't like TP.

Originally Posted by LordSothe

"It was too easy!"
Sure, it's no Adventure of Link. As far as the 3D games go, though, it's one of the harder ones. You say it's easier than OoT, but OoT was released almost a decade ago. Chances are, you're considerably smarter now, and SHOULD have had less trouble with the puzzles. People who play TP before OoT usually say TP is harder -Experience from past games makes a difference, believe it or not.

Yeah. When I first got Ocarina of Time, I found it extremely irritating at first because the whole gameplay system was all new to me. But after I had finished it, about a year and a half later I got into Majora's Mask (finally), and I found it natural. Same goes for Twilight Princess, despite it was the first game I got for my Wii...