Did anyone else get the feeling that Ganondorf should have been left out of TP?

In general Ganondorf just seems to have added in at the last minuet. He is barely involved in the story (we see him in 1 cutscene and a boss battle). He doesn't play as near as large a part as Zant does in the story either. I personally would have prefered it if Zant would have been the final boss and they had left ganondorf out of the game.

Has this occured to anyone else?

Before the game came out, I generally went to live in a bomb shelter to avoid any spoilers... so all I really knew about TP was that it involved Link, a girl in a black robe (obviously Zelda -.-), Link turning into a wolf, and a creepy little goblin thing with a fancy stone hat.

When playing through the game, I REALLY wasn't expecting to see Ganondorf at all. I could've put money on Ganon's absence. Naturally I orgasmed at his updated-graphical glory in that one cutscene, but he does seem... out of place.

In my opinion, the game could have lived without him, but he makes it 10x more epic and fan-servicable. Also turns out that his appearence plays a crucial role in the all-omnipotent 'timeline theory'. I definately wasn't expecting him to put in an appearence... for some reason I was more expecting Vaati, what with the eye symbolism and the very Vaati-like mighty morphin' black blob enemies. I by no means expected that Vaati would be there (and by no means did I want that bloody prettyboy there), but I thought he had a hell lot more chance than Ganon.

He by no means ruins the game, but he does feel a bit out-of-place, I know what you mean. A little bit shoed-in for fan-service.

No, to me a zelda game without ganondorf isnt the same. Think about it, most of the Zelda games that were a big success has Ganondorf in it. I kinda thought it was creative how zant thought Ganondorf was a god n all.

I was glad Ganondorf was in the fight. His boss battle was just awsome.

I think they should have added a cutscene or two during the game showing Zant speaking with someone in shadows. Kinda a cliche, but would have been better then just saying 'oh right, ganondorfs part of the story!'

I felt the same way. I feel like Ganon is horribly overused and they should try to get away from him now and then. I was excited about Zant and felt he was a very interesting villain. Then he just turned out to be Ganon's ***** and it was a huge let down.

At that point the story was meh. Just another Ganon tries to take over and you kill him kinda things.

Though it was cool to see the sages locking him up, but they ruined that with the lack of connectivity to the rest of the series. The Sages weren't the ones we knew, Ganon did not recognize a boy in green clothes, and it felt like just another retelling of the same old story.

Originally Posted by link223-IGN

I felt the same way. I feel like Ganon is horribly overused and they should try to get away from him now and then. I was excited about Zant and felt he was a very interesting villain. Then he just turned out to be Ganon's ***** and it was a huge let down.

At that point the story was meh. Just another Ganon tries to take over and you kill him kinda things.

Though it was cool to see the sages locking him up, but they ruined that with the lack of connectivity to the rest of the series. The Sages weren't the ones we knew, Ganon did not recognize a boy in green clothes, and it felt like just another retelling of the same old story.

So? The series has never had a completely proven and true complete chronological order... For all we know, Ganondorf may have came before OR after characters like Majora's Mask... Besides, Ganondorf in Zelda is like Bowser in Mario... Plus... there have been things left out that nobody could find out... Ganondorf may in fact be a sage himself!..... PLUS.... It has been proven countless times that it is not the same Link, and that Link never comes from the same generation, even UNIVERSE, as other Links.... In Wind Waker... Very beginning, you get the Hero's clothes... Your Grandma tells you the clothes are passed down from generation to generation.... And the story of the Triforce... Why can't Ganondorf be the same? We've seen him come from pig to green-brownish human.... EVOLUTION! And I'm going to laugh from the grave if the last Zelda game (hopefully VERY far from now) we discover Ganondorf threw Majora's mask to the skull kid XDDDDDDDDDDD
Also... What if GANONDORF IS A PUPPET FOR SOMETHING BIGGER YET?!

To be honest im a big fan of the Zelda series and i was disapointed about the boss been him, as we have seen too muh of him. I assumed the boss battle with Zant was going to be the final one. When i realized that i needed to do that i got to the top and i was shocked at the Zelda Puppet, Massive Warthog, Horseride, Swordfight boss as i found it to be quite a shock as i was thinking well for one how did Gannon return after we locked him up in OOT as there is no refrence to him returning in ANY of the games unless you count the WindWaker Story But that is not part of the actualy timeline so i dont count that.

I thought having Ganondorf coming on Twilight Princess as a surprise was really clever. It made more suspense into the storyline and you get the feeling that big trouble was around the corner, which gets you pumping because you are about to deal with something big!

I thought that Zant was Vaati at first, because he had purple skin and liked the darkness. I was disappointed that it was some crazy Twili person who was driven by the power of the false god Ganondorf in the Twilight Realm.

So it comes down to my opinion that I thought having Ganondorf as a surprise character in Twilight Princess was really cool.

Despite the fact that I read every spoiler I could get my hands on, I knew from the start that ganon would be in it. Not that that's a good thing. Sticking him in at the end was just a mistake, although the cutscenes with him were sweet I just wish he wasn't so damn easy though, the final boss battle was the easiest thing i've ever fought. I even used the Ball and Chain instead of arrows in the Dark beast battle to make it slightly harder (looking past the fact that i thought you had to use the B&C and I totally forgot about arrows)

No way!!! It fit perfect.

No. I don`t think he should`ve got taken out. He`s like the main thing in the game. That`s why there is Zelda. If he was taken out it wouldn`t have felt right. That`s my opinon.

Originally Posted by L_Lawliet

So? The series has never had a completely proven and true complete chronological order... For all we know, Ganondorf may have came before OR after characters like Majora's Mask...

This post is a jumbled mess and I won't pretend to understand what you're saying. My responses are based on what I think you're trying to say.

The fact that it doesn't have a set chronological order and that TP did not make an effort to move towards some kind of coherency in the chronology of the series is my exact point.

And no, we know Ganon came before MM. Have you even played Majora's mask? It has been confirmed by Nintendo sources as well as clearly stated in the game, that MM takes place directly after OoT. However you are already straying from the point.

Originally Posted by L_Lawliet

Besides, Ganondorf in Zelda is like Bowser in Mario...

So, that means very little to me. My point, my opinion, is that he is overused and that we need to give him a break.

plus...and...plus..but...

Originally Posted by L_Lawliet

Plus... there have been things left out that nobody could find out... Ganondorf may in fact be a sage himself!.....

Now you're completely reaching into the inner circles of stupidity for no apparent reason. That makes no sense, there's no reason to ever even consider something like that without evidence. Ganon could be Saria in disguise, cross dress in his spare time, and ride a 1966 Chevy Chevelle to work every day. This is why we stopped using lead in wall paint.

Originally Posted by L_Lawliet

PLUS.... It has been proven countless times that it is not the same Link, and that Link never comes from the same generation, even UNIVERSE, as other Links.... In Wind Waker... Very beginning, you get the Hero's clothes... Your Grandma tells you the clothes are passed down from generation to generation.... And the story of the Triforce... Why can't Ganondorf be the same? We've seen him come from pig to green-brownish human.... EVOLUTION! And I'm going to laugh from the grave if the last Zelda game (hopefully VERY far from now) we discover Ganondorf threw Majora's mask to the skull kid XDDDDDDDDDDD
Also... What if GANONDORF IS A PUPPET FOR SOMETHING BIGGER YET?!

OMG...WAHT ITAHFGDFGFLGDFGH you totally lost me there. Something about link, a few periods, a few more periods, CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL, and suddenly you're saying it's not the same Ganon. WW Ganon was the same Ganon. It said so in the game. For the most part it's pretty safe to assume that it's the same Ganon. We may not know for sure, but there's also no reason to think otherwise.

And by some off chance you are right and it wasn't the same Ganon, then that, once again, is my entire point. No connectivity. TP is yet another random coin in the pond as far as anyone is really concerned. The point is if we must keep reusing Ganon over and over and over, then we need something to show for it. Some kind of underlying story. A bigger picture. If we're going to call it the Zelda series, then we need to treat it like one and show some in game evidence to connect a game like TP to the rest of the series. Because all it did was create new questions without answering the old ones.

He really did seem out of place in this game. But, a big console Zelda like TP will almost always have at least a mention of Ganon/Ganondorf.

Originally Posted by link223-IGN

This post is a jumbled mess and I won't pretend to understand what you're saying. My responses are based on what I think you're trying to say.

The fact that it doesn't have a set chronological order and that TP did not make an effort to move towards some kind of coherency in the chronology of the series is my exact point.

And no, we know Ganon came before MM. Have you even played Majora's mask? It has been confirmed by Nintendo sources as well as clearly stated in the game, that MM takes place directly after OoT. However you are already straying from the point.

Ok... Yes, he came before MM, but I'm not talking about just OoT... but the whole series... We do not know if the WW or TP came before or after OoT, with some evidence of it after... Majora's Mask may have been a new generation

Originally Posted by link223-IGN

Now you're completely reaching into the inner circles of stupidity for no apparent reason. That makes no sense, there's no reason to ever even consider something like that without evidence. Ganon could be Saria in disguise, cross dress in his spare time, and ride a 1966 Chevy Chevelle to work every day. This is why we stopped using lead in wall paint.



OMG...WAHT ITAHFGDFGFLGDFGH you totally lost me there. Something about link, a few periods, a few more periods, CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL, and suddenly you're saying it's not the same Ganon. WW Ganon was the same Ganon. It said so in the game. For the most part it's pretty safe to assume that it's the same Ganon. We may not know for sure, but there's also no reason to think otherwise

It very well might not be the same Ganon for every single game... Yes, same for WW Ganon... but maybe it isn't the same Ganon in the first as Twilight Princess for example...

Originally Posted by link223-IGN

And by some off chance you are right and it wasn't the same Ganon, then that, once again, is my entire point. No connectivity. TP is yet another random coin in the pond as far as anyone is really concerned. The point is if we must keep reusing Ganon over and over and over, then we need something to show for it. Some kind of underlying story. A bigger picture. If we're going to call it the Zelda series, then we need to treat it like one and show some in game evidence to connect a game like TP to the rest of the series. Because all it did was create new questions without answering the old ones.

I am SUPPORTING your opinion with no connectivity, so why are you posting that?

He shouldn't have been left out. But they could've done a much better job at writing him into the story.

I don't think anyone would've honestly been satisfied with that dork Zant as the last boss.

For all we know this will be the last we will be seeing him, and I think it was fit for him to be in it.