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Re: The Romance Thread IV: The Debate Continues
Responding to this from "The Case for Kingship" ( an old thread revived and now locked )
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We don't know what happened to them, and his fate seems to be fairly open, but I strongly feel he returned to her, if only because his relationship with her seemed the deepest. I think Link was more than a knight, if only because there mysteriously happens to be a suit of Royal Armor, that seems perfectly made for the next Hero. There's only one person in Hyrule who would wear that who pre-existed TP Link. The previous Hero, aka MM Link.
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I posted this on the other thread, but it was locked, so...
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Honestly, I didn't see to much romance in that game - he seems to get the attentions of every girl in that game, but only gives marginal attention if any to them (besides Saria). As for their duties as sages - do those duties truly continue? Ruto only says that they would have to wait - maybe all she is saying is that there are more important things going on. Saria is a bad choice merely because, well, biological incompatibility (and that Kokiris are implied to be spirits as much as fairies are). Ruto seems to share the most actual interaction with him, likes him for him, and certainly grows out of her brattiness eventually. Besides, Zelda is as much a sage as Ruto is. Honestly, Zelda and Link in OoT seem to me to be little more than childhood allies, not even friends as they are in TMC, while Ruto and him actually seem to build a friendship (and lets not forget, in TP the Zoras still like the Hero a fair bit, and have royally made armor for him...) Quote:
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Threads over a month old are not allowed be revived, that's why I closed it.
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Something about the adult half: Shiek was Zelda..and many of her scenes had more than meets the eye going on. "Power of the heart", "Young love becomes deep affection" with the cinematics...that leads me to conclude more was going on between them than meets the eye. Quote:
Well, the sages in TP don't appear to be the Sages of OoT, so whether the OoT 7 are still sages in the Child Timeline is a good question. I'd say Zelda is a special case as well..in that she did not exist in a spirit form at the end of OoT like the others, and no seventh Sage is shown in TP though it's likely the current Zelda. I don't think the same rules bind her. She has to be able to marry in order for the kingdom to have heirs. Quote:
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Exactly. While Link is a hero and relatively selfless, I believe Zelda herself was a great motivation for him. The manga flat out says it. In game and manga, he was pointed out to be personally searching for her, as well as to save Hyrule. When all was said and done and he was given the chance to live his childhood again, he chose to return to her. Quote:
The entire Legend of Zelda series has fairy-tale undercurrents...in fact the second game, featuring the original Link has him awake a Princess in a "Sleeping Beauty" fashion...the prologue even hints he's the "Great King" to come. So I can't see this fantasy setting regarding our reality as the deciding factor. Quote:
Zelda couldn't reveal herself in OoT because if she did, she'd be doing three things. Essentially giving Ganondorf the Triforce of Wisdom, depriving Link of her guidance and help and putting Link in a tougher situation, by having Ganondorf holding her life in his terrible hands. If you watch the scene after the Water Temple, look at the way Sheik looks at Link. She obviously seems to want to stay and is conflicted. Zelda in the end even apologizes to Link for hiding herself, but she had to and they both knew it.
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Possibly, he said goodbye to all the friends he had made - after all, he met nearly all of them before meeting Zelda, so if he's friends with her he'd have to know them as well. It could just be a secret journey because the populace didn't know that he was leaving, while all his friends did. And that Zelda is really only used to learn the Song of Time, instead of having constant references like other games do... Quote:
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And she could have just told them. While activating the Triforce that close to the tower would clearly set Ganondorf's alarms off...there's no way Ganondorf has audio surveillance, if she's able to help Link so much. In all the poetry she spent time reciting, she could have said once "I am Zelda"....but didn't out of fears for her safety, or some such. At what time he was sent back - it would depend if the Sapphire is seen in the Temple. I can't remember. |

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They are considered by a great amount of the fanbase to be non-canon in the strict definition, however it should be noted Aonuma has supervised them and played a role in their development. That right there says to me it's not fan fiction: the developer has played a role/approved it.
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I have no doubt he came to know all the inhabitants of Hyrule again, as all the various groups have connections to the previous Hero in TP. This is obviously OoT/MM Link. But the game wanted us to know he saw Zelda before he left...and he does have a constant reference: The Ocarina of Time represents her to him..as well as the Song of Time. Both are integral to MM..and the info screen in MM says this about the Ocarina: " This instrument is filled with memories of Princess Zelda". She was there "in spirit" with him the whole time. Quote:
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I suspect Ganondorf had a running surveilance on Link, as Link was causing him a great deal of trouble. Sheik telling Link would have invariably led to Ganondorf knowing. Ganondorf even says that he knew if Link ran around, Zelda would come out of hiding, and that's what he wanted. Zelda/Sheik clearly cared little for her own safety, as she stood between Link and the Shadow Spirit. I think she was more worried about her Triforce, after all the whole point of the quest was to keep it out of Ganondorf's hands. I would suspect the Sapphire is there as the Door of Time is open.
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The Ocarina? I'd say some songs could remind him of people ( Saria's Song, Epona's Song ) but the Ocarina itself, who else but Zelda? The info screen flat out says it. Touching the Ocarina puts him into a flashback of Zelda...it was the instrument that made the previous game possible, and the reason Ganondorf was after her initially. Zelda as Sheik had many duets with Link with it..it's likely full of memories of them.
But love IS the deciding factor there, in fact the point of the whole tale. She was bound by promise at one point, but that was a mere plot point to keep her interacting with him. Didn't he release her later from it? I doubt the Zora populace, or the Hylian one would fault him. Never mind the fact they are likely biologically incompatible ( see MM and the Zora Eggs ) which would make heirs impossible, Zoras and Humans have drastically different cultures and lifestyles. And Link is the kingdom's Hero..in MM it is stated he took his place among legends, inferring his deeds were known. He probably could do no wrong in this case.
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I know why a lot of fans want to think about who our hero is going to go home to but I feel like that one of the major points of the story is being missed in this discussion.
Link is the hero of courage and thus he must be brave upon himself. I know from my own experience that it makes a big difference in ones own sense of bravery when there is someone waiting for you. Plus Zelda is a strong woman and she, I would guess would let nothing get in the way of her sense of duty to her people. She would have to marry a noble born and our hero is common born and an Orphan to boot. I am curious to what other think about this.
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If it's one of those, Saria was eliminated, and Malon works great in theory, but Link paid no noticeable attention to her and that matters. I'd call Ilia more likely than the two of them, but Link actually seemed to return it in her case, and didn't even know Zelda. I agree both of them are bound by duty..but their duties both involve the same common goal..the betterment of Hyrule. Put them together and you'd have a King and Queen who truly love their nation and would sacrifice anything for it...them NOT being together seems the less beneficial solution, IMO. In terms of Zelda being nobility? In most of the games, that matters nothing. It's fantasy...not reality. If Link can be engaged to the Zora Princess, I think he'd be able to marry Zelda too.
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