Ganondorf's 'odd' Choices

Topic: to discuss Ganondorf's 'Master Plan" in The Wind Waker.

I was playing Tp and was fighting Ganondorf and thought "why does Ganondorf never win?" but then I remembered that in tWW he let Link go.... but why?

1) At the beginning of the game after getting through the Forsaken Fortress, the bird grabs you and brings you to Ganondorf and he just gives the order to throw you away...why?

I believe that the king of evil recognized the green clothes that the boy was wearing and also took notice of the courage he possessed to come to such a frightening place. At the end of TP Ganondorf's power is sealed away by the master sword so I think that he was sure that this boy would be the next one to pull the sword from the pedestal and in doing so his powers would be completely restored.

2) At about the middle when you take the master sword to the top of the Forsaken Fortress and attempt to fight Ganondorf with it, the king of evil again shows mercy and does not kill Link.

I believe that now Ganondorf saw what this boy could do. He thought that Link would be the one to re-assemble the broken triforce of courage and in doing so, Ganondorf would again have a chance at getting his wish from the completed triforce.

3) Another somewhat vague theory is ... how would Ganondorf get the new hero to the hyrule of old?

I think that Ganondorf sent monsters to the fire and earth places so that Link would go there, save the people, and get the pearls which would in turn raise the Tower of the Gods from the depths of the great sea. Ganondorf thought that by attacking greatfish isle, he could drive Jabun to outset where Link could easily get the last pearl, (he helped link).

That's all I have for now, so please comment on what you think and maybe add more of Ganondorf's 'odd' decisions if you can think of any.
I would also love to hear your opinions on my Ganondorf theory so please make a quick post.

regarding number two. I believe he was about to kill Link. Send him back to the makes of the swod, which ae assumed dead, and tell them the magic is gone. As fo numbe one, Link would have drowned if not fo korl, which Ganondof didn't know as there.

Originally Posted by icewizard292

Topic: to discuss ganondorf's choices in The Wind Waker.

I was playing Tp and was fighting ganondorf and thought "why does ganondorf never win?" but then I remembered that in tWW he let Link go.... but why?

1) At the beginning of the game after getting through the Forsaken Fortress, the bird grabs you and brings you to Ganondorf and he just gives the order to throw you away...why?

I believe that the king of evil recognised the green clothes that the boy was wearing and also took notice of the courage he posessed to come to such a scary place. At the end of TP ganondorf's power is sealed away by the master sword so I think that he was sure that this boy would be the next one to pull the sword from the pedastal and in doing so his powers would be completely restored.

2) At about the middle when you take the master sword to the top of the forsaken fortress and attempt to fight ganondorf with it, the king of evil again shows mercy and does not kill Link.

I believe that now ganondorf saw what this boy could do. He thought that Link would be the one to re-assemble the broken triforce of courage and in doing so, ganondorf would again have a chance at getting his wish from the completed triforce.

3) Another somewhat vague theory is ... how would ganondorf get the new hero to the hyrule of old?

I think that ganondorf sent monsters to the fire and earth place so that Link would go there, save the people, and get the pearls which would in turn raise the tower of the gods from the depths of the great sea. Ganondorf thought that by attacking greatfish isle, he could drive Jabun to outset where Link could easily get the last pearl. (he helped link)

That's all I have for now, so please comment on what you think and maybe add more of ganondorf's 'odd' decisions if you can think of any.

Ummmm...I disagree because that makes no sense whatsoever. If Ganandorf was trying to help Link, what good would that do him? He isn't a divine sentient who is used by the gods to test the new heroes. He is a man who managed to grasp the power of a God and relentlessly uses it to have his bidding done. His reliance on his power makes him a bit irrational and he fails to care for details because of it. Look mopre at the character and what he does and not so much the mistakes they cause.

At the beginning of the game, Ganondorf probably hasn't seen a hero for years and isn't a paranoid freak about every carcass the big bird brings him. Even if he did see the green garbs, he probably figured that he should have the threat drowned. Link would have died out in the water but the off chance that a magic red boat would come and save him probably wasn't being thought out by the Prince of Darkness. He has better things to do then kill every idiot in tights and a green hat.

In the second instance, Link and Tetra were saved by the bird-people and their dragon god. If that hadn't happened, I have no doubt Ganandorf would have killed them. Again, he doesn't expect a miracle, and if you expect a miracle at every moment, you will get hit in the head with a brick by the gorilla. Ganondorf doesn't want to be hit in the head with a brick by the gorilla so he does what any man with immortality, limitless power, and an intimidating army would do: Gloat and soak in his victory.

Finally, Ganondorf was no doubt trying to get the pearls for himself. Why? To ultimately end any chance of someone or something from threatening him beneath the sea. Before he did that though, he needed the other two pieces of the triforce to allow his wish to be granted, he attention was turned and Link took advantage of that without even realizing it. After all, Ganondorf is a brute but not an idiot and would learn to block out the chance of opposition at first chance.

Therefore, No. Ganondorf doesn't want to help Link out. He hates Link in every form. He swore it at the end of OoT.

ummm all of you are mistaken on you're replies. (not to be rude)
I'm saying that these aren't mistakes at all but rather Ganondorf's 'master plan'.

He doesn't have the triforce of power at the beginning of tWW because it's being sealed by the master sword (end of twilight princess) so he keeps link alive so the little boy can restore Ganondorf's powers and reform the triforce of courage. He 'helps' link by making it easier to get the third pearl because he wants link to find hyrule and pull out the master sword therefore returning Ganondorf's true power.

He would most surely have not killed him upon their second meeting because the ToC has not yet been reformed and without it Ganondorf cannot be all powerful.

In the end we realize that this was all a mistake, because even though Ganondorf accomplishes his 'master plan' and completes the triforce, the king of hyrule takes the wish and then Ganondorf is laughing evilly because he cannot believe that he had worked so hard to make this all happen and not get his wish. And so then he fights Link for revenge.

So Ganondorf profits essentially from helping Link except that he never thought that the KotRL would steal his wish.

I see a lot of people viewing this post but not posting. Come on people I want to hear your thoughts on my Ganondorf theories!

Ganondorf didn't let Link go at the top of Forsaken Fortress... he told the bird to throw him into the sea and drown. It was the King of Red Lions who saved him.

Originally Posted by String

Ganondorf didn't let Link go at the top of Forsaken Fortress... he told the bird to throw him into the sea and drown. It was the King of Red Lions who saved him.

Right when Link was about to go to the top of the Forsaken Fortress that's when the giant bird threw him out onto the sea and it was destiny that he met the King of Red Lions (the boat with a lion or dragon face) and saved Link.

Originally Posted by String

Ganondorf didn't let Link go at the top of Forsaken Fortress... he told the bird to throw him into the sea and drown. It was the King of Red Lions who saved him.

Well there's no evidence that Ganondorf wanted him to drown so that is your 'theory'. Yes the KotRL saved him so maybe Ganondorf knew that the King of Hyrule was searching for him and therefore knew he wouldn't drown.

Now for future readers can you please comment on the theories that I have posted. I want to know if they hold any concrete ideas (fact) or if they are completely ridiculous. (although say it more politely)

sure the part about ganondorf destroying greatfish isle aint just coincidence?

Originally Posted by The Bladeforger

sure the part about ganondorf destroying greatfish isle aint just coincidence?

Well what else would Ganondorf have to gain from destroying an entire island?. There was most likely another dungeon there and Ganondorf couldn't wait that long for the hero to collect the pearls and find the sacred blade in Hyrule.

Or the developers made Ganondorf destroy the island because the next dungeon would have had to have been a water one (fire, earth....water) and the game does not do the 'water aspect' very well.

In case you didn't know all of it is purely speculation and theory but you cannot deny that the majority of it does make sense and it is all well supported.

Originally Posted by zeldacrazysal

Right when Link was about to go to the top of the Forsaken Fortress that's when the giant bird threw him out onto the sea and it was destiny that he met the King of Red Lions (the boat with a lion or dragon face) and saved Link.

Okay... so you've just repeated what I said.

I agree with others when saying Ganondorf was simply killing Link the easy way by tossing him into the sea. And later on, the one reason I think he'd hold back on killing Link when he saw him with the Master Sword is because he probably wanted the Triforce of Courage. What easier way to get it than to kill off a little kid who wields it? Easier than galavanting across the sea, making Tingle translating charts for you.

Originally Posted by maian

I agree with others when saying Ganondorf was simply killing Link the easy way by tossing him into the sea. And later on, the one reason I think he'd hold back on killing Link when he saw him with the Master Sword is because he probably wanted the Triforce of Courage. What easier way to get it than to kill off a little kid who wields it? Easier than galavanting across the sea, making Tingle translating charts for you.

Link doesn't have the triforce of courage upon their first & second meeting.

Well I suppose the first part of my theory may be a little too theoretical but it is evident that Ganondorf needs this boy for his powers to be restored and to obtain the triforce, so until Link gets the master sword and reforms the ToC then Ganondorf will not kill him.

Why he needs Link:
1) Ganondorf cannot touch the master sword so he needs someone with a pure heart to find it and take it.
2) Ganondorf did not know where the ToC (or its fragments) lay hidden. So he makes it necessary for Link to obtain it in order to get back to Hyrule to meet Zelda.

the thing with valoo saving them was a setback but not to bad, ganondorf had a bigger plan around it I think.
What's up with needing a pure heart to get the MS, I think you need something else.

Originally Posted by Akseladden

the thing with valoo saving them was a setback but not to bad, ganondorf had a bigger plan around it I think.
What's up with needing a pure heart to get the MS, I think you need something else.

By pure heart I meant a heart with no evil within it. Ganondorf and his minions cannot touch the sacred blade because their hearts are filled with evil.