TP fitting between OoT and tWW

Okay, I'm not really one that likes to speculate openly over the net, cause more often than not any idea you have ends up not being true.

Moving on, I was kind of put off by the fact that Aunoma said that TP will be only a few decades after OoT. I mean, seriously. That's dumb. So most people come to the conclusion that Link will probably have to die, so the flood can take place and so he won't be remembered as a hero. Either that, or Aunoma just said the wrong thing under pressure

I was thinking at one point that Link could perhaps be in the Twilight Realm while battling Ganon, so then he'd be fighting as a wolf. But I later came to my senses and thought that was pretty dumb. But seriously, who really wants to play a game just to have the hero die and the world be covered in water? I mean... yay. So I was digging for anything.

I also know that we still have very little information on the plot and story of the game, apart from what happens at the beginning. But from what I've seen so far, I reckon this game seems like it is really best fit to come after Wind Waker as opposed to Ocarina of Time... possibly not as small as decades but whatever. I mean, Link starts out at an established village outside of Hyrule. This could be like, the land Link and Tetra discovered after sailing out at the end of tWW. And then the Deku tree and friends might have also revived normal Hyrule by planting trees all over the place (there seems to be a good amount of trees in TP). That would make sense. But whatever, speculation is speculation.

To conclude, I hope Aunoma made a mistake. Everything announced so far just seems to fit a whole lot better if it was. And who knows, they have made mistakes in the past. I just don't want a story with a slack doom and gloom ending or something that completely disregards the other games and stuffs up the storyline more than what it is.

EDIT: I hope this fits in the spoiler section, since it has info about the placing of TP in the timeline. Mods just give me a shout if it doesn't have to be.

Originally Posted by OldBeane

Okay, I'm not really one that likes to speculate openly over the net, cause more often than not any idea you have ends up not being true.

Moving on, I was kind of put off by the fact that Aunoma said that TP will be only a few decades after OoT. I mean, seriously. That's dumb. So most people come to the conclusion that Link will probably have to die, so the flood can take place and so he won't be remembered as a hero. Either that, or Aunoma just said the wrong thing under pressure

I agree with you it is dumb that TP could be based after Oot. However it is decades after Oot and we have no clue how much time has passed between Oot and TWW (if we do please tell me) so it is possible that this TP could have nothing to do with the flooding or Ganondorf escaping from the dark realm. We know that Ganodorf will be in TP but we dont know how (he may just be part of a legend in TP passed down through Hyrule and its surrounding towns.) Basically I am saying that it is possible to have another story between Oot and TWW that dosent have to do with the Flooding.

I was thinking at one point that Link could perhaps be in the Twilight Realm while battling Ganon, so then he'd be fighting as a wolf. But I later came to my senses and thought that was pretty dumb. But seriously, who really wants to play a game just to have the hero die and the world be covered in water? I mean... yay. So I was digging for anything.

Hopefully by time he reaches Ganon or whoever the main bad guy is he will have an item that protects him from the magic of the Twilight realm. (Much like the Moon pearl in ALTTP that prevented Link from changing in the Dark World. I would like the Final boss battle to have two parts:

1. First Link must fight the final boss while in his Wolf form, weakening him and allowing the evil magic making Link turn into a wolf disappear or weaken so Link and transform back into himself.

2. The final stage will have the ultimate fight between Link (human) and Ganon (hopefully)

I also know that we still have very little information on the plot and story of the game, apart from what happens at the beginning. But from what I've seen so far, I reckon this game seems like it is really best fit to come after Wind Waker as opposed to Ocarina of Time... possibly not as small as decades but whatever. I mean, Link starts out at an established village outside of Hyrule. This could be like, the land Link and Tetra discovered after sailing out at the end of tWW. And then the Deku tree and friends might have also revived normal Hyrule by planting trees all over the place (there seems to be a good amount of trees in TP). That would make sense. But whatever, speculation is speculation.

How could it be part of the new land if it still contains the original Hyrule? If you remember at the end of TWW the King of Hyrule told Link and Tetra that the land they discover will NOT be Hyrule but their own land. Just because Link is in another town dosent mean that his main goal is to go to Hyrule (which it is) therefore it wouldnt make much sense to base this game after TWW (unless the game explained the drainage of the sea, etc.)

To conclude, I hope Aunoma made a mistake. Everything announced so far just seems to fit a whole lot better if it was. And who knows, they have made mistakes in the past. I just don't want a story with a slack doom and gloom ending or something that completely disregards the other games and stuffs up the storyline more than what it is.

EDIT: I hope this fits in the spoiler section, since it has info about the placing of TP in the timeline. Mods just give me a shout if it doesn't have to be.

Anything is possible and mistakes happen every day. As far as I know this game will be a great new Zelda game (no matter when or where it is based.)

Okay, its stated by the King of Hyrule in tWW that several hundred years have passed since the events of Ocarina of Time. So while its not exactly known, we can assume that it has been many centuries. But that's hardly my point.

The story at the beginning of Wind Waker talks about the events of Ocarina of Time, and how he sealed Ganon. What's more important, is that they specifically mentioned that there was no hero as such to save the day when Ganon broke the seal, thus creating the big flood. Don't you think something would have been said in that legend if a large event like Hyrule was being swallowed by this twilight stuff, and had to do with Ganon.

Similarly, all big events from Wind Waker seem to follow on directly from Ocarina of Time. Ganon still has the Triforce of Power, Zelda's family still has the Triforce of Wisdom, and the Triforce of Courage has been split because of the Hero of Time separating from the elements that made him a hero. In IGN's (I think) interview with Aonuma, he stated that this story will revolve around the triforce, which is bound to the major characters of the game: Ganon, Zelda and Link obviously. If Link is to obtain the ToC again, it would screw up the continuity between OoT and tWW. As for Ganon actually being in the game, I heard somewheres that he would definately be there. Don't as me for a source though

Okay, with the Hyrule drainage stuff, its all speculation, as I said in the post. All I'm saying is that Nintendo is making it clear that Link starts off being seperate from Hyrule. There are a couple of theories going around about what happens to original Hyrule. One is that Link and Tetra find a completely new land, and another is that the Great Deku Tree and the Koroks help to drain the water from Hyrule by planting trees all over the joint. My speculation indicates a mixture of these theories. Link and Tetra do find a new land and settle there, while at the same time the water is drained by the aide of the Deku Tree. The new land could be Taoru (sp?) or maybe somewhere else. But my point is that Nintendo are making this game not specifically set in Hyrule, but also places outside of it. That idea just seems to fit nicely as something to go after tWW. Of course, prolly not simply a few decades after, but still.

And as for the wolf final boss thing, that's been disregarded as a bad idea, just something that popped into my head for a while before chucking it in the evergrowing waste pile at the back of my brain

Alright I've stated this in another thread already, but I'll say it again. OOT could not have been the imprisoning WW talked about in it's introductory scene. Go back and watch it again. It states that the King and all the people prayed to the gods for the hero to return. There's only one problem there. When Link saved the world, he saved it in the future then returned to the past. That would mean that everyone in the past would have no idea what he did. Even if Zelda or Link were to tell the people what they did, no one would believe them. That again being said, this game will fit perfectly between OoT and WW because this one or some other one will be the imprisonment. Also has anyone else ever noticed in WW the master sword has no power because the sages who were praying for it to keep it's power died. Why did it need these prayers. This game will hopefully explain that because otherwise there is no known explanation about what happened to the sword.

My theory is that Link never travelled through time, like he did in Oracle of Ages, but instead accelerated and rewound time, every time he picked up/dropped the master sword. If he was in two seperate realities, why did we not meet the Link who belonged in this timeline?

Originally Posted by chaos2x0

Alright I've stated this in another thread already, but I'll say it again. OOT could not have been the imprisoning WW talked about in it's introductory scene. Go back and watch it again. It states that the King and all the people prayed to the gods for the hero to return. There's only one problem there. When Link saved the world, he saved it in the future then returned to the past. That would mean that everyone in the past would have no idea what he did. Even if Zelda or Link were to tell the people what they did, no one would believe them.

Um...Hmmm gotta think about that one.. wait no i dont.

tWW takes place after the adult link timeline/ending. In that ending, link returns home to the past, that being said, he was no longer present in the adult timeline, Ganon comes back, link isnt there, world floods over, yatze!

Originally Posted by vacumgod

Um...Hmmm gotta think about that one.. wait no i dont.

tWW takes place after the adult link timeline/ending. In that ending, link returns home to the past, that being said, he was no longer present in the adult timeline, Ganon comes back, link isnt there, world floods over, yatze!

Well...Link went into the future to stop Ganon (which he did) he then went to his previous time meaning that when he grows up there would be no ganon (because he is trapped in the Dark realm.) The whole double timeline has always confused me but I always thought that Link changed his future and Hyrules future when he beat Ganon as an adult. I doubt that Link would go to the future to beat someone just to go back as a kid and Ganon still coming back. Something else had to happen (Thats just my opinion.)

What I am trying to say is that when Adult Link beats Ganon he dosent just affect his time he also affects kid Links time meaning that when Adult Link goes back into the past everything should be change (no ganon.) I sure hope I am saying it right the double timeline gets me confused :confused:

When you think about it if ganondorf did return in the future wouldn't there be a Link there. It sounds confusing, but it does make sense. When Link defeated ganondorf in the future he basically erased that future and replaced it with a safe future untouched by ganondorf. And yes Chozen you are right. Also feline witch in one sense time travelling can be considered what you said. There are just a lot of small yet significant things that point out OOT was not the imprisonment. You have to pay attention but they are there. Just play through WW and try to link it back to OOT, it just doesn't work. I don't get why I'm the only one who realizes these things (probably because I make a habit of thinking really deeply into things).

Hmm...

What if TP is the 'alternate' version of OOT's future. Bear with me here, and I apologize if this is someone else's theory as well:

1. Ok, so OOT Link fights Ganon in the future, beats him, woo woo hooray.
2. He's sent back in time, and goes off to Termina.
3. Decades later, TP occurs. Why do I think this? Think of the wording of the Wind Waker's back story, how the Hero "brought the land light." Possibly this is alluding to pushing back the Twilight? Maybe? So basically, TP and OOT's stories have been 'merged' as it were, into one legend.

I know it's crazy, but having occured a decade or so close to each other, after a few hundred years, the two stories and Heroes may have become merged into one legend, thus the story in the beginning of Wind Waker. That's how I'd psyche it out, anyway.

Originally Posted by OldBeane

Don't you think something would have been said in that legend if a large event like Hyrule was being swallowed by this twilight stuff, and had to do with Ganon

No.
Nintendo probably hadn't even come up with the Twilight concept when TWW came out. Even if they did, why would they give away details of a future Zelda game like that in TWW? No Zelda fans would understand the prologue, and they'd probably expect the Twilight to play a part in TWW.

Nintendo just gave a very general description of the pre-flood events so that they'd have the freedom to do what they want if they set a game in that time.

I just don't want a story with a slack doom and gloom ending or something that completely disregards the other games and stuffs up the storyline more than what it is.

I personally would prefer a solemn ending to a bland ALttP-esque Happily Ever After ending.
And I'm not worried about an overly dramatic gloom and doom ending either. TWW had a heavy ending involving the King drowning and Hyrule being destroyed, and that worked very well.

I do like bittersweet endints (MM had one and so did OoT), but one like the game ending with Hyrule getting flooded would just be depressing.

Originally Posted by OldBeane

Okay, I'm not really one that likes to speculate openly over the net, cause more often than not any idea you have ends up not being true.

Moving on, I was kind of put off by the fact that Aunoma said that TP will be only a few decades after OoT. I mean, seriously. That's dumb. So most people come to the conclusion that Link will probably have to die, so the flood can take place and so he won't be remembered as a hero. Either that, or Aunoma just said the wrong thing under pressure

I was thinking at one point that Link could perhaps be in the Twilight Realm while battling Ganon, so then he'd be fighting as a wolf. But I later came to my senses and thought that was pretty dumb. But seriously, who really wants to play a game just to have the hero die and the world be covered in water? I mean... yay. So I was digging for anything.

I also know that we still have very little information on the plot and story of the game, apart from what happens at the beginning. But from what I've seen so far, I reckon this game seems like it is really best fit to come after Wind Waker as opposed to Ocarina of Time... possibly not as small as decades but whatever. I mean, Link starts out at an established village outside of Hyrule. This could be like, the land Link and Tetra discovered after sailing out at the end of tWW. And then the Deku tree and friends might have also revived normal Hyrule by planting trees all over the place (there seems to be a good amount of trees in TP). That would make sense. But whatever, speculation is speculation.

To conclude, I hope Aunoma made a mistake. Everything announced so far just seems to fit a whole lot better if it was. And who knows, they have made mistakes in the past. I just don't want a story with a slack doom and gloom ending or something that completely disregards the other games and stuffs up the storyline more than what it is.

EDIT: I hope this fits in the spoiler section, since it has info about the placing of TP in the timeline. Mods just give me a shout if it doesn't have to be.

well from what I have heard is that Tp will take place after OOT and TWW, decades after were the exact words. But I suppose that I could be mistaken and the timeline is actually only decades after OOT. If so thanks for the clarification OldBeane.

You know mabe were looking at this in the wrong way, I believe there are 2 timelines but mabe TWW is in the child timeline. If Link beat gannon in Oot went back in time and went to Majoras Mask, Tmc, Fs, Fsa. But wait in Ooa in the demo begining you see Link going too the Triforce and then got sent to Ooa/Oos and after he defeated the evil there he went on a boat to get back to Hyrule but gets shiped recked to LA. After he defeats the evil there he dies. When the hero doesnt return Hyrule is flooded.
700 years later The hero of the winds kills gannon forever. But in the adult timeline once again Gannon gets out and there is where TP takes place.

I thought Nintendo had stated that there was no double timeline (or maybe I am getting that mixed up with something I read on the Forums.)

Personally I dont really care where TP lies in the Zelda Timeline. Nintendo hasnt released any official timeline so the argument is pointless. Either way Nintendo knows what they are doing and they have always found creative ways to incorporate older games into a newer game (TP) with legends, etc.

If Nintendo says that it will be between Oot and Tww than that is where it is going to be (although Nintendo does have the tendency to change their mind)

no...i think that it was confirmed that TP will be after TWW. either that or i got them confused (as i am inclined to do)

anyway it would make a lot of sense coming after TWW because the Deku Tree would have had time to suck up all the water, and the lands of Hyrule and the new one (if it is new) can be integrated into one land. kinda like a US kind of ideas, like they could be diffrent "states".