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Old 10-28-2005, 09:04 AM
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Why TP is a sequel to OoT

So, I've been thinking a lot about it, and I really have a strong feeling that TP link is the same link, seven years later, as Oot and MM link. It isn't just wishful thinking, here's the evidence:

--The shield. Link has always had a different shield in every game, even direct sequels like MM. The fact that his shield is obviously the Hylian Shield from Oot (and that is will be used in the final game--just look at the detail!) connects the two games closer than previously thought.

--The baddies. Enemies change in every game, and we see new ones in Oot too (those wooden puppet things?), even thought there are some old stand-ins like moblins keese. But TP enemy designs are remarkably similar to OoT--most notably, the Goron you probably receive training from.

--Zelda/Sheik. In no other game than OoT (excluding the CD-i games) has Zelda been such a tomboy. It seems that in TP that trend will continue, seeing as how Zelda is first pictured holding a sword. Sheik (ok, a kinda different Sheik, but still) also appears, under a cloak embroidered with the Sheikah symbol of the eye and teardrop. So that's character continuity.

--"Between OoT and WW?" It was said that this game takes place "decades" after OoT, but it's my understanding that this quote, originally in Japanese, can be interpreted a number of ways and that the word "decade" could also mean years. i could be wrong, but if I'm not this means that we have the PERFECT time frame for a OoT sequel.

--Epona's song. Although there's no Ocarina in the scene where Link calls his horse using Epona's song, the recurrence of the melody strongly suggests that we're dealing with the same horse. This makes sense--that blond lady with Epona just seems to give away the horse without a fight or challenge or anything, suggesting that the horse may have been found (i.e. ran away from Lon Lon and found you). That might be a stretch, but what else explains the lady saying "Oh, OK, here's my horse, no questions asked!" as she seems to.

So there they are, my reasons for believing that TP is right after OoT in the time-line. Maybe that's what the delay in the release date was all about. I'll add more if I think of any, but please comment and I invite you to try to debunk my theory (gently, please) because I really want to know.
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Old 10-28-2005, 09:29 AM
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Re: Why TP is a sequel to OoT

Well i think you make a good arguement for it all right.If it turns out to be a sequal and there is not a zelda fan out there that doesnt wish it was a sequal to it i say. all we can do is bide are time and wait and see.
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Old 10-28-2005, 09:44 AM
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Re: Why TP is a sequel to OoT

Why is it an OoT sequel, you ask? Because I said so.

Oh, and if you watch the live gameplay footage from IGN (open to public, it's not N-sider stuff), then you'll hear Miyamoto say very specifically through his translator that "...yes, this is a new Link." Ya can't get any more specific than that.
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Old 10-28-2005, 11:37 AM
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Re: Why TP is a sequel to OoT

Also, when did Nintendo ever say it was Sheik underneath the cloak? As far as I know (since, ya know, it sows it in the third trailer), that was Zelda. Not a cross-dressing Zelda who wears red contacts .

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Old 10-28-2005, 05:58 PM
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Re: Why TP is a sequel to OoT

Yeah, and the sheild idea might have worked, but no, because in every other game, a fwe of them were in hyrule, but none of them were in the OoT Hyrule. TP takes place in that Hyrule because it's only mere decades after OoT, and they have no reason to change the way their shields look, so yeah... oh well...
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Old 10-28-2005, 06:04 PM
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Re: Why TP is a sequel to OoT

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Originally Posted by Klew
So, I've been thinking a lot about it, and I really have a strong feeling that TP link is the same link, seven years later, as Oot and MM link. It isn't just wishful thinking, here's the evidence:
No, it's not the same link, read actual info on the game.


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--The shield. Link has always had a different shield in every game, even direct sequels like MM. The fact that his shield is obviously the Hylian Shield from Oot (and that is will be used in the final game--just look at the detail!) connects the two games closer than previously thought.
It's not the same shield, look closer, or get glasses

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--The baddies. Enemies change in every game, and we see new ones in Oot too (those wooden puppet things?), even thought there are some old stand-ins like moblins keese. But TP enemy designs are remarkably similar to OoT--most notably, the Goron you probably receive training from.
I don't remember wooden puppets in OoT, the only enemy that we've seen that resembles enemies seen in previous games are the bokoblins, the moblins, the skull kids, and the keese.

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--Zelda/Sheik. In no other game than OoT (excluding the CD-i games) has Zelda been such a tomboy. It seems that in TP that trend will continue, seeing as how Zelda is first pictured holding a sword. Sheik (ok, a kinda different Sheik, but still) also appears, under a cloak embroidered with the Sheikah symbol of the eye and teardrop. So that's character continuity.
The person under the cloak was Zelda, NOT sheik, shiek has red eyes, look closer

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--"Between OoT and WW?" It was said that this game takes place "decades" after OoT, but it's my understanding that this quote, originally in Japanese, can be interpreted a number of ways and that the word "decade" could also mean years. i could be wrong, but if I'm not this means that we have the PERFECT time frame for a OoT sequel.
Decade does not mean many years, decade means decade. And if this game was decades after OoT, then we would have a different link, but, of course, this all depends on when you think oot ends.



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So there they are, my reasons for believing that TP is right after OoT in the time-line. Maybe that's what the delay in the release date was all about. I'll add more if I think of any, but please comment and I invite you to try to debunk my theory (gently, please) because I really want to know.
I think I just debunked your theory
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Old 10-28-2005, 09:22 PM
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Re: Why TP is a sequel to OoT

Hey now, be nice.

They say it's not the same link, just like they said it would be a sequel to WW early in development. This changed, and with the extended deadline for completion, so might comments about a "new Link" change.

I meant, the woman under the cloak is obviously Zelda, but Zelda=Sheik, and in the dark world, with the Sheikah cloak...it's too much coincidence.

The puppets are new, I know, but the other enemy designs and the impression I get from the way their AI and combat works, it's eerily similar to OoT, past just the fact that the animation is similar.

P.S. The shield in TP isn't exactly the same, your right and I didn't catch it--the bottom is different, missing the triforce of courage. But do you think the similarity is coincidence? I know Nintendo wants to please fans with this new game, and nothing would please more than a OoT sequel to a lot of people.
I can see where you're coming from with the debunking. But I can't wait to see in May, when all prayers will be answered.
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Old 10-28-2005, 11:28 PM
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Re: Why TP is a sequel to OoT

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and I really have a strong feeling that TP link is the same link, seven years later, as Oot and MM link.
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quote, originally in Japanese, can be interpreted a number of ways and that the word "decade" could also mean years
Decade = 10 years.

Contradict'd/10.

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It was said that this game takes place "decades" after OoT, but it's my understanding that this quote, originally in Japanese, can be interpreted a number of ways
How would you know? Have you seen the Japanese version of the interview? It might not be able to be interpreted many different ways, depending on the wording.

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They say it's not the same link, just like they said it would be a sequel to WW early in development. This changed, and with the extended deadline for completion, so might comments about a "new Link" change.
But they haven't, which means they aren't the same Link.

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I meant, the woman under the cloak is obviously Zelda, but Zelda=Sheik, and in the dark world, with the Sheikah cloak...it's too much coincidence.
This Zelda doesn't equal Sheik. It's a different Zelda. And the Sheikah thing could have been passed down from the OoT Zelda or something. Or it could be an easter egg.
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Old 10-29-2005, 12:17 AM
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Re: Why TP is a sequel to OoT

GAAAAHHH!!!It isn't Except it! IT IS THE DIRECT SEQUEL TO WW AND NO OTHER GAME.
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Old 10-29-2005, 12:32 AM
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Re: Why TP is a sequel to OoT

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--The shield. Link has always had a different shield in every game, even direct sequels like MM. The fact that his shield is obviously the Hylian Shield from Oot (and that is will be used in the final game--just look at the detail!) connects the two games closer than previously thought.
Sure. But I don't think that's really relevent enough to support much. What if they simply didn't want to change the design of said shield? I've seen lots of variants on the Hylian shield anyway, obviously, you're not going to see an identical copy in Wind Waker because of said graphical constitute.

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--The baddies. Enemies change in every game, and we see new ones in Oot too (those wooden puppet things?), even thought there are some old stand-ins like moblins keese. But TP enemy designs are remarkably similar to OoT--most notably, the Goron you probably receive training from.
I guess? But again, I'm not sure if it can really prove that much other than it bares a contrast. We can't assume too much from that, can we? But again, I wouldn't know how much Wind Waker differed from The Hero of Time's enemy sets, but I think it hardly matters.

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--Zelda/Sheik. In no other game than OoT (excluding the CD-i games) has Zelda been such a tomboy. It seems that in TP that trend will continue, seeing as how Zelda is first pictured holding a sword. Sheik (ok, a kinda different Sheik, but still) also appears, under a cloak embroidered with the Sheikah symbol of the eye and teardrop. So that's character continuity.
...It's a sword, people. Only in the vaugest sense does it suggest taht kind of stuff.

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--"Between OoT and WW?" It was said that this game takes place "decades" after OoT, but it's my understanding that this quote, originally in Japanese, can be interpreted a number of ways and that the word "decade" could also mean years. i could be wrong, but if I'm not this means that we have the PERFECT time frame for a OoT sequel.
I doubt it. As people have said, decades is ten years. The Hero of Time could be living, but I doubt he's active. But it will bring some closure. Sweet closure.
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Old 10-29-2005, 01:54 AM
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Re: Why TP is a sequel to OoT

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IT IS THE DIRECT SEQUEL TO WW
No, it's not. It's between OoT and WW. The creators said so. 20-99 years after OoT, since it's decades.
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Old 10-29-2005, 02:16 AM
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Re: Why TP is a sequel to OoT

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They say it's not the same link, just like they said it would be a sequel to WW early in development. This changed, and with the extended deadline for completion, so might comments about a "new Link" change.
Actually, that's not the case. ^_^ Miyamoto was never quoted to have said that TP would take place after WW. It was the translator that caused that whole mess and confused us all. The Zelda crew is not at fault here, so your whole argument kinda falls apart.
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Old 10-29-2005, 02:16 AM
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Re: Why TP is a sequel to OoT

It isn't a direct sequel. . But it is a sequel in the sense that it will follow the timeline and make references, and have the same Ganondorf as before.
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Old 10-29-2005, 03:05 AM
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Re: Why TP is a sequel to OoT

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No, it's not. It's between OoT and WW. The creators said so. 20-99 years after OoT, since it's decades.
Again, wrong, the developers have said nothing regarding tWW, so this game could very well take place after MM.
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Old 10-29-2005, 11:55 AM
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Re: Why TP is a sequel to OoT

yeah, you have some great ideas, and i too would like to think that twilight princess link is the same as ocarina of time link... i mean, there are endless things i could bring up... but at the same time, cant we just let link from ocarina of time be in peace? personally... i think we'll see ocarina of time link in twilight princess, and he will be the one who gives the twiglight link the green chloths... thats just my little theroy... but all i can say is we'll just have to wait and find out.
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Old 10-29-2005, 11:58 AM
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It isn't a direct sequel. . But it is a sequel in the sense that it will follow the timeline and make references, and have the same Ganondorf as before.
You mean like The Windwaker? Every game has the same Ganon(dorf), originating from OoT. So in that sense, all games are sequels. But not 7 years. You'd have to explain some things.

1. How did Toaru Village, not existing in OoT, become a thriving community in just 7 years?

2. Why is Link a ranchhand? He could be a royal knight, or princess' bodyguard, or something.

3. Why did Miyamoto say that the game would be "decades" after OoT? Decade = 10 years. You're wrong.
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Old 10-29-2005, 12:04 PM
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Re: Why TP is a sequel to OoT

I disagree.

1. Nintendo has confirmed it to be a new Link. That should be enough--

2. Link from OoT was 8. 8+7=15. This Link is 16--

3. Nintendo hasn't said anything about Shiek. That was Zelda under the cloak. Nintendo stated this also--

4. There are new enemies. Those things that drop from the sky. The bird like things that circle the castle holding Zelda. The skeleton dogs--
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Old 10-29-2005, 12:08 PM
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I always thought Link from OoT was 10. Well, even if he was, TP Link would be 17, not 16. Wrong again!
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Old 10-29-2005, 12:37 PM
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Re: Why TP is a sequel to OoT

Yup, Link himself is a proof that he's a new hero.
Even if we wouldn't have recieved any information about his age, it's obvious that he's way too young for being the hero of time just by looking at him. If Twilight Princess takes place a couple of decades after Ocarina of Time HoT would atleast be in his fourties, judging by his appearance TP Link is somewhere in his twenties at most.
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Old 10-29-2005, 05:32 PM
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the developers have said nothing regarding tWW, so this game could very well take place after MM.
This is so wrong it's not even funny. Well, actually, it is funny.

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Q[uestion]: When does this game take place?

A[onuma]: This version takes place a few decades after Ocarina of Time and before Wind Waker.
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